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Your level of satisfaction with Kyle Dubas' performance to date

  • Happy

    Votes: 213 39.2%

  • Adequate

    Votes: 161 29.7%

  • Concerned

    Votes: 169 31.1%
  • Total voters
    543
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CantLoseWithMatthews said:
Babcock: 9-10-4 (78 point pace)
Keefe: 6-3-0 (109 point pace)
I think coaching may have been a factor here
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We could easily be 4-5 if Freddy wasn't lights out lately. The team's play does look improved but still extremely flawed when it comes to defense.
 
Come on, did anyone actually think we were going to stink after the coaching change? I mean look at Calgary too? We have top five talent in the league, it was clearly time to move on, his "shelf life" was spoiled and we've responded as expected. I love what Keefe has done, so I don't mean this to detract, but the change alone is worth this record, if these players had any pride and embarrassment at their performances beforehand. Babcock is gone, and so are the excuses, with nowhere to hide, suddenly we're engaged and positive. That's why you made the change, that's why every team makes the change.

Now, to praise Keefe. Babcock wanted a certain type of team that we simply didn't have and stubbornly refused to be pragmatic. Keefe is playing to our strengths, we're fast, talented, can hold the puck, but we stink down low and on the wall defensively....he's doing things to mitigate the damage and accentuate the positives. Can you win the ultimate prize with this configuration? We won't find out anytime soon, but we certainly have enough envious talent to make the playoff dance so nobody should lurch either way too much. It's a theory right now and I'll reserve ultimate judgement. We all obviously hope it works out, just once I want to see a Cup here.
 
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DarkKnight said:
Come on, did anyone actually think we were going to stink after the coaching change? I mean look at Calgary too? We have top five talent in the league, it was clearly time to move on, his "shelf life" was spoiled and we've responded as expected. I love what Keefe has done, so I don't mean this to detract, but the change alone is worth this record, if these players had any pride and embarrassment at their performances beforehand. Babcock is gone, and so are the excuses, with nowhere to hide, suddenly we're engaged and positive. That's why you made the change, that's why every team makes the change.

Now, to praise Keefe. Babcock wanted a certain type of team that we simply didn't have and stubbornly refused to be pragmatic. Keefe is playing to our strengths, we're fast, talented, can hold the puck, but we stink down low and on the wall defensively....he's doing things to mitigate the damage and accentuate the positives. Can you win the ultimate prize with this configuration? We won't find out anytime soon, but we certainly have enough envious talent to make the playoff dance so nobody should lurch either way too much. It's a theory right now and I'll reserve ultimate judgement. We all obviously hope it works out, just once I want to see a Cup here.
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A+. Well said.
 
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DarkKnight said:
Come on, did anyone actually think we were going to stink after the coaching change? I mean look at Calgary too? We have top five talent in the league, it was clearly time to move on, his "shelf life" was spoiled and we've responded as expected. I love what Keefe has done, so I don't mean this to detract, but the change alone is worth this record, if these players had any pride and embarrassment at their performances beforehand. Babcock is gone, and so are the excuses, with nowhere to hide, suddenly we're engaged and positive. That's why you made the change, that's why every team makes the change.

Now, to praise Keefe. Babcock wanted a certain type of team that we simply didn't have and stubbornly refused to be pragmatic. Keefe is playing to our strengths, we're fast, talented, can hold the puck, but we stink down low and on the wall defensively....he's doing things to mitigate the damage and accentuate the positives. Can you win the ultimate prize with this configuration? We won't find out anytime soon, but we certainly have enough envious talent to make the playoff dance so nobody should lurch either way too much. It's a theory right now and I'll reserve ultimate judgement. We all obviously hope it works out, just once I want to see a Cup here.
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Plenty of people thought that Keefe would struggle at the NHL level and plenty of people thought this had nothing to do with the coaching. Pleeeeenty of people thought that around here.

The one thing Keefe competely nixed and abolished was the idea that generating chances from low percentage point shots was just as good of a goal scoring method as generating scoring chances with passes to the slot, and also that it also meant less scoring chances against. This change is so noticeable it's actually shocking.

We went from the bottom of the league in expected goals to top 3 in the matter of a couple weeks.
 
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SprDaVE said:
Plenty of people thought that Keefe would struggle at the NHL level and plenty of people thought this had nothing to do with the coaching. Pleeeeenty of people thought that around here.

The one thing Keefe competely nixed and abolished was the idea that generating chances from low percentage point shots was just as good of a goal scoring method as generating scoring chances with passes to the slot, and also that it also meant less scoring chances against. This change is so noticeable it's actually shocking.

We went from the bottom of the league in expected goals to top 3 in the matter of a couple weeks.
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When and if they sustain this over the long haul is the question. Lets not all go bananas over a 9 game sample.
 
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GoonieFace said:
I highly doubt it, there is always a boost after a new coach is hired. He definitely has this team playing to their strengths, which Babs refused to do.
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The Devils fired Hynes December 3rd and have not won a game since. They are 0-3-1.
 
zeke said:
Yes, most people here did.
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GoonieFace said:
I highly doubt it, there is always a boost after a new coach is hired. He definitely has this team playing to their strengths, which Babs refused to do.
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SprDaVE said:
The Devils fired Hynes December 3rd and have not won a game since. They are 0-3-1.
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If you're a good team, usually you have that initial spark from a new coach coming on, then you have to see if you made the right move or it was just that, the initial spark.

In regards to the Devils, they are just a bad team and no coach is fixing that.

I said to give Keefe the interim tag and remove it at the end of the season if he impressed. I will say he is doing pretty well, hopefully the Leafs can just keep winning for him.
 
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WTFMAN99 said:
If you're a good team, usually you have that initial spark from a new coach coming on, then you have to see if you made the right move or it was just that, the initial spark.

In regards to the Devils, they are just a bad team and no coach is fixing that.

I said to give Keefe the interim tag and remove it at the end of the season if he impressed. I will say he is doing pretty well, hopefully the Leafs can just keep winning for him.
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I was just responding to the notion that teams always do well after a coaching change. I was just stating it doesn't always end up that way. Heck even the Blues last year after their coaching change were really not much better until Binnington was called up and dominated.

A lot of people had the Devils in a playoff spot by the end of the season. They added Subban and they have a VERY good team on paper. They are missing a top end center and their goaltending is pretty awful, but the team should not be struggling this bad either way.
 
he inherited a 100pt team that is carried by it's stars. Just like it was with Babcock before they slumped/tuned him out. "Genius coaches" meh neither of the were that important. A team goes as far as it's star players drags it and they tend to do that for whatever coach or their precious system which is a word that has already gotten annoying to listen to. If the Leafs improve on their 100pt team the lions share of credit goes to Dubas not keefe.
 
SprDaVE said:
I was just responding to the notion that teams always do well after a coaching change. I was just stating it doesn't always end up that way. Heck even the Blues last year after their coaching change were really not much better until Binnington was called up and dominated.

A lot of people had the Devils in a playoff spot by the end of the season. They added Subban and they have a VERY good team on paper. They are missing a top end center and their goaltending is pretty awful, but the team should not be struggling this bad either way.
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I think Binnington helped certainly and just getting healthy.

NJD were interesting but clearly there is a problem. The biggest issue is by far goaltending, don't think Blackwood was quite ready to come up and Scheider is done. Hischier seems like of those top end 2C players (like a Horvat) and Hughes isn't ready to be a dominant 1C yet. They had Zajac as a quality 3C, wing depth was interesting but doesn't impact the game enough.

Defense isn't performing and the goaltending isn't good enough to cover it up.

Leafs seem to be responding well to the change though and Keefe is proving he didn't need the interim tag. While I am not a big Dubas guy, I can see Keefe seems like a good coach so far.
 
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DarkKnight said:
Come on, did anyone actually think we were going to stink after the coaching change?
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It was an outlier small group that thought/thinks that but a vocal one at that.

The logical thing to do would be to give the team more time, there's still plenty of time for things to go completely south. I think the Leafs will get back on track though. There's still grounds to believe that this is a flawed roster too.
 
IPS said:
It was an outlier small group that thought/thinks that but a vocal one at that.

The logical thing to do would be to give the team more time, there's still plenty of time for things to go completely south. I think the Leafs will get back on track though. There's still grounds to believe that this is a flawed roster too.
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It was a vocal one!
 
Dubas’s skill oriented approach is the foundation of so much B.S in its perception for me.

I will not elaborate lets just say I don’t believe people who tell me they are going to reinvent the wheel. Now i will simply put three players names below that i believe moves us to serious contenders with the right mix and at reasonable cap hits: here they are, plz tell me if you agree because i am very curious to get a pulse on this.

Left winger: Nick Richie
Left winger: Marcus Foligno
Center: Boone Jenner

Cap hit for all three is approximately $8.200,000 with cap stability for two years. Jenner has a third year. I believe inquiring in players has to be the next phase in building the team out.
 
Wafflewhipper said:
Dubas’s skill oriented approach is the foundation of so much B.S in its perception for me.

I will not elaborate lets just say I don’t believe people who tell me they are going to reinvent the wheel. Now i will simply put three players names below that i believe moves us to serious contenders with the right mix and at reasonable cap hits: here they are, plz tell me if you agree because i am very curious to get a pulse on this.

Left winger: Nick Richie
Left winger: Marcus Foligno
Center: Boone Jenner

Cap hit for all three is approximately $8.200,000 with cap stability for two years. Jenner has a third year. I believe inquiring in players has to be the next phase in building the team out.
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We'd move out of serious contender status if we swapped anything in the top 6 or even top 9 for those players. And that's too expensive to play on lower lines.
 
TheProspector said:
We'd move out of serious contender status if we swapped anything in the top 6 or even top 9 for those players. And that's too expensive to play on lower lines.
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Really. Two big left wingers with defensive ability and jam and scoring. A third line center with the same ! Ahhhh lets just say i disagree fully ;)

left wingers for our top six and great defensive center in Jenner. Its cheap and Kerfoot is soft
 
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Wafflewhipper said:
Really. Two big left wingers with defensive ability and jam and scoring. A third line center with the same ! Ahhhh lets just say i disagree fully ;)
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Each one of those players gets their shit pushed in on flow of play. And none of them are scoring. I hate to tell you this, but Nic Petan is demonstrably better than every one of those guys.
 
Wafflewhipper said:
Dubas’s skill oriented approach is the foundation of so much B.S in its perception for me.

I will not elaborate lets just say I don’t believe people who tell me they are going to reinvent the wheel. Now i will simply put three players names below that i believe moves us to serious contenders with the right mix and at reasonable cap hits: here they are, plz tell me if you agree because i am very curious to get a pulse on this.

Left winger: Nick Richie
Left winger: Marcus Foligno
Center: Boone Jenner

Cap hit for all three is approximately $8.200,000 with cap stability for two years. Jenner has a third year. I believe inquiring in players has to be the next phase in building the team out.
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Adding one of those three as 3rd line LW would be beneficial, maybe Jenner as 3C. Maybe we get lucky and one has the ability to play higher, but did you see last night how out of play Aberg was with Nylander and Matthews? Odds are these guys would be the same but at more money. Don't have the footspeed or processing ability to play our style and they could end up hurting us because of it
 
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