Kaprizov's latest setback should be an alarm bell for how the NHL is failing its players

[T REX]

The biggest issue is that most players keep playing injured and keep accumulating these injuries instead of waiting to heal properly. The teams should be forced to properly let their players heal and recover, not like right now where a player with a broken leg is just given some painkillers and they're ready to go.

This is a great point. Hockey players are known to get 20 stitches and go right back on the ice.
Maybe the league needs to let more players dress for injury situations. If a guy gets replaced he cannot return the rest of the game. There should be an emergency Dman, Forward and goalie for every game.

I'm sure the players want to play too. Need some more details on what this would like but I think it is a great idea

 

[ffh]

Kaprizov is probably out for the season. He has had a few set backs this years culminating in a lower body surgery that was at best 4-6 weeks recovery time. Most Wild fans knew he probably wouldn't be back for longer, but no one knew how much longer he'd be out for. More than likely he won't be back to his playing form until next season at best.

If you look at what is going on with Kaprizov, you can trace this back to when Logan Stanley folded him on the ice. He struggled at the beginning of last year before getting back to form. But he has had a nagging lower body injury since Stanley took him out almost two years ago.

It's frustrating as a Wild fan because that's two years without our best player and at the peak of his playing career due to some really dumb play by Stanley, who didn't even get fined for the play. And then you had Dillon take him out again with some cross checks to the back.

This comes back to the NHL really doesn't care about mid-market teams like the Wild. We've seen this before with the Wild, where the NHL simply looks the other way and then buries the story until Minnesota takes matters in their own hands and then the NHL scolds them for trying to protect their players. I hate Hartman, but I honestly don't fault Minnesota for having guys like Hartman when the NHL can't even muster up any sort of response.

I also think it goes to show some of the injuries that happen aren't just a day to day, week to week deal but can take years what happened

Kaprizov is probably out for the season. He has had a few set backs this years culminating in a lower body surgery that was at best 4-6 weeks recovery time. Most Wild fans knew he probably wouldn't be back for longer, but no one knew how much longer he'd be out for. More than likely he won't be back to his playing form until next season at best.

If you look at what is going on with Kaprizov, you can trace this back to when Logan Stanley folded him on the ice. He struggled at the beginning of last year before getting back to form. But he has had a nagging lower body injury since Stanley took him out almost two years ago.

It's frustrating as a Wild fan because that's two years without our best player and at the peak of his playing career due to some really dumb play by Stanley, who didn't even get fined for the play. And then you had Dillon take him out again with some cross checks to the back.

This comes back to the NHL really doesn't care about mid-market teams like the Wild. We've seen this before with the Wild, where the NHL simply looks the other way and then buries the story until Minnesota takes matters in their own hands and then the NHL scolds them for trying to protect their players. I hate Hartman, but I honestly don't fault Minnesota for having guys like Hartman when the NHL can't even muster up any sort of response.

I also think it goes to show some of the injuries that happen aren't just a day to day, week to week deal but can take years to recover from.

What happened with Stanley was an accident. Kaprizov said as much when asked about it. Didn't get a fine. Get serious.

 

[cowboy82nd]

Kaprizov is probably out for the season. He has had a few set backs this years culminating in a lower body surgery that was at best 4-6 weeks recovery time. Most Wild fans knew he probably wouldn't be back for longer, but no one knew how much longer he'd be out for. More than likely he won't be back to his playing form until next season at best.

If you look at what is going on with Kaprizov, you can trace this back to when Logan Stanley folded him on the ice. He struggled at the beginning of last year before getting back to form. But he has had a nagging lower body injury since Stanley took him out almost two years ago.

It's frustrating as a Wild fan because that's two years without our best player and at the peak of his playing career due to some really dumb play by Stanley, who didn't even get fined for the play. And then you had Dillon take him out again with some cross checks to the back.

This comes back to the NHL really doesn't care about mid-market teams like the Wild. We've seen this before with the Wild, where the NHL simply looks the other way and then buries the story until Minnesota takes matters in their own hands and then the NHL scolds them for trying to protect their players. I hate Hartman, but I honestly don't fault Minnesota for having guys like Hartman when the NHL can't even muster up any sort of response.

I also think it goes to show some of the injuries that happen aren't just a day to day, week to week deal but can take years to recover from.

Aren't the rules the same for everybody? Or are they certain rules that only apply to certain franchises?

This is a great point. Hockey players are known to get 20 stitches and go right back on the ice.
Maybe the league needs to let more players dress for injury situations. If a guy gets replaced he cannot return the rest of the game. There should be an emergency Dman, Forward and goalie for every game.

I'm sure the players want to play too. Need some more details on what this would like but I think it is a great idea

I like this idea.

 

[gojetsgo]

can you please post the stanley play so everyone can enjoy a good laugh

 

[Number8]

Ordering unnecessary tests is actually illegal. They have to listen to their patients and order tests based on what that patient says, what their symptoms are, and what is reasonable.

Disclaimer: I am neither endorsing nor condemning the Wild's medical staff until I am given better information than what has been released to date.

Come on. I think common sense suggests the person you responded to was talking about running all necessary tests related to the player's shoulder/clavical region.

What? You think he's pissed off they didn't run a pregnancy test on McAvoy????

 

[SomeDude]

NHL doctors mess up a decent amount, even with star players. Flyers doctors almost killed Lindros by telling him to get on a plane with a collapsed lung. Pens doctors misdiagnosed Crosby with post concussion syndrome when he had a neck injury that cost him almost 2 years of his prime.

 

[Hunter368]

Kap stopped suddenly and Stanley went over him due to sudden stop and Stanley isn't the greatest skater to begin with & he's a big body, just a weird play nothing dirty on that play.

 

[FlyguyOX]

NHL doctors mess up a decent amount, even with star players. Flyers doctors almost killed Lindros by telling him to get on a plane with a collapsed lung. Pens doctors misdiagnosed Crosby with post concussion syndrome when he had a neck injury that cost him almost 2 years of his prime.

Yep, and look at how prospect Cayden Lindstrom's "recovery" has gone since being drafted.

 

[Bunch of Jurcos]

This is a great point. Hockey players are known to get 20 stitches and go right back on the ice.
Maybe the league needs to let more players dress for injury situations. If a guy gets replaced he cannot return the rest of the game. There should be an emergency Dman, Forward and goalie for every game.

I'm sure the players want to play too. Need some more details on what this would like but I think it is a great idea

Ordinarily I think the league would be against adding extra players to the roster because so many teams are up against the cap, some teams would not be able to ice a 26 man roster. But I think if we could get this idea to pass, with the cap rising as sharply as it is, it would be a perfect time to be able to add 96 more players across the league that could play in a given game if necessary. I understand and to a point respect the warrior mentality that NHL players have but at some point you have to protect them from themselves.

I think the only issue and admittedly it would be a rare one is goaltender. I don't think a lot of teams would move their AHL starter to ride the bench as an EBUG. Usually those are guys you want playing as much as possible to develop, which leads me to ask, are there enough AAAA goalies to serve as 3rds across the league?

 

[Breakers]

LOL

That Stanley play was less than nothing

 

[Hunter368]

LOL

That Stanley play was less than nothing

A person could call it awkward and clumsy, but I have no idea how anyone could could call it dirty. Kap stopping so fast lead to Stanley going into and over him, no one's fault just a weird hockey play.

 

[BagHead]

Come on. I think common sense suggests the person you responded to was talking about running all necessary tests related to the player's shoulder/clavical region.

What? You think he's pissed off they didn't run a pregnancy test on McAvoy????

I think common sense indicates that the doctor would examine his shoulder and provide treatment based on his symptoms and reports. I don't think testing each person a doctor treats for potential infection is reasonable or necessary when the likelihood of it occurring is quite low. Doing that is closer to the pregnancy test than it is being reasonable. Nonetheless, he didn't say what "anything and everything" entailed, so it will be treated as the blanket statement that it is.

I think he's upset because his favorite team lost its best defenseman, and he wants someone to blame.

 

[Mattb124]

Sounds like the Wild organization is failing its players. I have no idea how one could make the logical leap that this is a league problem.

 

[EazyE1]

I blame this shit on hartman #jinxed #teamkarma

 

[Number8]

I think common sense indicates that the doctor would examine his shoulder and provide treatment based on his symptoms and reports. I don't think testing each person a doctor treats for potential infection is reasonable or necessary when the likelihood of it occurring is quite low. Doing that is closer to the pregnancy test than it is being reasonable. Nonetheless, he didn't say what "anything and everything" entailed, so it will be treated as the blanket statement that it is.

I think he's upset because his favorite team lost its best defenseman, and he wants someone to blame.

I think you need to ask if he had a pain shot as Elliot Friedman hinted at. If he did, you then might want to ask yourself which of an AC injury or a pain/cortisone shot is more like to result in an internal infection. I don't know because I'm not a doctor, nor judging by your comments are you.

Meanwhile, show me a quote or quantified report that shows definitively that the Bruins are having a go at the doctors. Lots of people surmising based on from the wording of their statement but I can show you video of Don Sweeney being specifically asked about it, and dodging the question. Just from this week.

But you are pulling things out of your ass suggesting the doctors cannot do anything but follow the patients guidance lest they fall afoul of the illegality of ordering unwarranted tests. Which is a silly statement.

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

The wild doctor is the team USA doctor right? and Boston doesn’t seem thrilled with what happened to mcavoy

M Tkachuk was also allowed to suit up and dress for the final despite having a potentially season ending injury.

Seems like the wild doctor is involved in a lot of bad incidents lately

That's Wild.

 

[T REX]

The wild doctor is the team USA doctor right? and Boston doesn’t seem thrilled with what happened to mcavoy

M Tkachuk was also allowed to suit up and dress for the final despite having a potentially season ending injury.

Seems like the wild doctor is involved in a lot of bad incidents lately

Matthew had zero reason to be playing. None. If I was a Panthers fan I'd be pissed. Ridiculous.

 

[Prairie Habs]

The wild doctor is the team USA doctor right? and Boston doesn’t seem thrilled with what happened to mcavoy

M Tkachuk was also allowed to suit up and dress for the final despite having a potentially season ending injury.

Seems like the wild doctor is involved in a lot of bad incidents lately

The Wild medical staff has been with the team for over 20 years without issues, I know some of them personally and they are seriously the most kind, intelligent, and dedicated people I have ever met, I think its really skeevy that the Bruins medical team is calling them out for the McAvoy issue. Hockey players want to play, if they aren't fully disclosing what is going on, its going to be next to impossible to be properly diagnosed, the Doctors aren't going to order every test possible costing hundreds of thousands of dollars for every nick and scratch.

Injuries heal differently for everyone, there is no standard timetable for every injury, especially ones that are strains, relying on best case scenario returns and then being upset when they aren't met is just an unrealistic expectation. Get Kaprizov healthy and playing like he did to end last season and start this season and its all good.

The Bruins were also already pissed at the wild because of the pat maroon stuff last season. The Bruins traded for him at the deadline while he was out with an injury. The wild said he was cleared to skate again, but the Bruins doctors re-evaluated him and he wasn't good to start skating again until April, only getting into the line-up in the second last game of the season.

Seems like a lot of smoke for there to be no fire.

 

[Gustave]

Where is this "out for the year" news coming from?

Lost in all of this; there’s just no word that « he’s out for the year ».

Initial report was minimum 4 weeks from surgery in late January, which seemed optimistic from the get go.

Then Guerin said he’ll be out longer than anticipated. That’s a far cry from out for the season… this season goes longer than usual so I have no idea how people just jump to that conclusion.

 

[BagHead]

I think you need to ask if he had a pain shot as Elliot Friedman hinted at. If he did, you then might want to ask yourself which of an AC injury or a pain/cortisone shot is more like to result in an internal infection. I don't know because I'm not a doctor, nor judging by your comments are you.

Meanwhile, show me a quote or quantified report that shows definitively that the Bruins are having a go at the doctors. Lots of people surmising based on from the wording of their statement but I can show you video of Don Sweeney being specifically asked about it, and dodging the question. Just from this week.

But you are pulling things out of your ass suggesting the doctors cannot do anything but follow the patients guidance lest they fall afoul of the illegality of ordering unwarranted tests. Which is a silly statement.

I have no opinion on what the appropriate treatment was, as I have neither the knowledge nor the patient's chart.

Frankly, I sort of hope the Bruins are having a go at the Wild's doctors. By all means, put them to the test because, if they've been practicing poorly and causing problems for the Wild's players, I have an interest in getting that fixed.

You're right, I'm not a doctor. I do, however, work in health care management and have a sibling I work closely with that is a doctor, so I have a pretty decent idea of what is and isn't allowed legally by our providers, and unnecessary testing and/or treatment is definitely illegal and unethical. If there was a preexisting infection, or at least signs of one, there would be cause to test for it, but they aren't going to draw blood on a player with a shoulder injury for no reason. That is all I've said and all I intend to say to that poster.

 

[Eyeseeing]

I’m more concerned Stanley was unable to clear the zone AGAIN shortly after that.

 

[Number8]

I have no opinion on what the appropriate treatment was, as I have neither the knowledge nor the patient's chart.

Frankly, I sort of hope the Bruins are having a go at the Wild's doctors. By all means, put them to the test because, if they've been practicing poorly and causing problems for the Wild's players, I have an interest in getting that fixed.

You're right, I'm not a doctor. I do, however, work in health care management and have a sibling I work closely with that is a doctor, so I have a pretty decent idea of what is and isn't allowed legally by our providers, and unnecessary testing and/or treatment is definitely illegal and unethical. If there was a preexisting infection, or at least signs of one, there would be cause to test for it, but they aren't going to draw blood on a player with a shoulder injury for no reason. That is all I've said and all I intend to say to that poster.

It doesn't matter, but the point that Friedman seemed to be hinting at was that the docs gave him a shot (pain killer, cortisone?) of some kind after the initial injury in the Finland game. If you watch his video, he clearly lays the bread crumbs out so that anyone watching would conclude that the shot itself was what caused the infection.

McAvoy was not diagnosed with and treated for the infection (surgery) until after the Canada game.

Friedman appears to be at least suggesting that the doctors working for team USA missed both an AC joint injury and then also created the infection through the administration of a shot that showed up days later.

Now that's Friedman. I don't know. But if what he suggests is true, given that McAvoy has had two ablative procedures for a heart issue in the past ( I believe it is two - certainly one) then that could be some pretty sloppy doctoring.

 

[TomKosto]

Is he really done for the season? I have him in a pool and was waiting on more info before dropping him.

 

[tfwnogf]

the wild are not allowed to have success

 

[BagHead]

It doesn't matter, but the point that Friedman seemed to be hinting at was that the docs gave him a shot (pain killer, cortisone?) of some kind after the initial injury in the Finland game. If you watch his video, he clearly lays the bread crumbs out so that anyone watching would conclude that the shot itself was what caused the infection.

McAvoy was not diagnosed with and treated for the infection (surgery) until after the Canada game.

Friedman appears to be at least suggesting that the doctors working for team USA missed both an AC joint injury and then also created the infection through the administration of a shot that showed up days later.

Now that's Friedman. I don't know. But if what he suggests is true, given that McAvoy has had two ablative procedures for a heart issue in the past ( I believe it is two - certainly one) then that could be some pretty sloppy doctoring.

If Friedman is right, I would be very interested in learning if the infection from the injection was just a freak happening or if they simply didn't follow procedure to avoid such a thing. Obviously, if it's the former there isn't anything they could do about it, but if it's the latter that's a problem. Method matters, I think you and I probably agree about that.

As far as an AC injury, I don't know enough about those or how they are detected to have an opinion on that, so I'll leave that topic to others who are more informed about them.