Kyle Dubas discussion II

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I'm not upset at all. I just find it humorous that this isn't understood.

No different than someone not understanding that cheating in college football recruiting is rampant and thinking it doesn't occur because it's almost never punished.

It's frustrating that it isn't understood. It should be something we all understand and get. It seems like pulling teeth to get some to even ponder the possibility that might be true much less get them to ever believe this is how it actually works.
You're just speculating though, you have zero facts to back up your idle speculation and what's humorous is that you're frustrated by the fact that people aren't accepting your speculation as fact.
 
You're just speculating though, you have zero facts to back up your idle speculation and what's humorous is that you're frustrated by the fact that people aren't accepting your speculation as fact.
No. I'm frustrated that the concept is wholly rejected, outright. It is what happens. You know it happens all across the league but somehow don't think Kyle does it? He does. And, the implications of it are important but they're not germane in a discussion where someone calls fact speculation.

Am I speculating that the Leafs made an organizational decision on Muzzin that had nothing to do with his injury? Why was it bandied about what to do with him prior to the deadline? If it was all about his actual health and whether he could play, there could be but only ONE outcome based on HIS INJURY STATUS....but because it was not, about his injury status, they had an organizational decision to make. These are simple concepts.

If you think I'm wrong, and speculating, explain why the Leafs were mulling options with Muzzin. It was a simple question of...should we use his money, or do we think we need more to get him back on the ice faster? They chose door #2 and it was the wrong decision. But, I'm sure you don't see it that way. He was just injured and we did everything due to the health of the player because that's the kind of org we are, always about putting player's health first. That narrative is false. That is not what they always do.
 
No. I'm frustrated that the concept is wholly rejected, outright. It is what happens. You know it happens all across the league but somehow don't think Kyle does it? He does. And, the implications of it are important but they're not germane in a discussion where someone calls fact speculation.

Am I speculating that the Leafs made an organizational decision on Muzzin that had nothing to do with his injury? Why was it bandied about what to do with him prior to the deadline? If it was all about his actual health and whether he could play, there could be but only ONE outcome based on HIS INJURY STATUS....but because it was not, about his injury status, they had an organizational decision to make. These are simple concepts.

If you think I'm wrong, and speculating, explain why the Leafs were mulling options with Muzzin. It was a simple question of...should we use his money, or do we think we need more to get him back on the ice faster? They chose door #2 and it was the wrong decision. But, I'm sure you don't see it that way. He was just injured and we did everything due to the health of the player because that's the kind of org we are, always about putting player's health first. That narrative is false. That is not what they always do.
What facts?
 
Fan 590 morning show host. I think he is more concerned going into the playoffs against Tampa than their record since the TDL. I thought is was a gimme they would LTIT Muzzin to free up cap space to add at the TDL.

Tampa just lit up the Leafs (13-3-2) 8-1 and Florida (15-1-1) 8-4 since the TDL.
I think Tampa lit up both teams back up goalies.
 
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The only good thing that'll happen when the Leafs go out in the first round in 5 is that Dubas will be fired and the Dubas Defense League will have to actually root for the team rather than the GM.

Weirdest thing I've even seen.
 
Read the post. Your answer is there.
I don't get it. Muzzin, a guy who likely would have been justified to take extra time off and LTIR through the end of the year came back.

While media and fans speculated he should be LTIR'd and have the cap reallocated, the Leafs said he'd be back and they wouldn't do that.

Is my understanding incorrect?
 
does anyone really know what's going on in this thread anymore. I'm so lost.
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The only good thing that'll happen when the Leafs go out in the first round in 5 is that Dubas will be fired and the Dubas Defense League will have to actually root for the team rather than the GM.

Weirdest thing I've even seen.

The Leafs are better than they have ever been.

Anyone who roots for the team would obviously be rooting for this GM, but bizarrely so many fans let their personal hate for a GM make them root against the best Leafs team they have ever seen


It's truly messed up.
 
The Leafs are better than they have ever been.

Anyone who roots for the team would obviously be rooting for this GM, but bizarrely so many fans let their personal hate for a GM make them root against the best Leafs team they have ever seen


It's truly messed up.
They're better than they've even been..... in the regular season. Stay tuned.
 
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I don't get it. Muzzin, a guy who likely would have been justified to take extra time off and LTIR through the end of the year came back.

While media and fans speculated he should be LTIR'd and have the cap reallocated, the Leafs said he'd be back and they wouldn't do that.

Is my understanding incorrect?
"justified" What you're not understanding is it was the LEAFS who decided this. It wasn't whether he was healthy or not as the guide here. It was an organizational decision regarding how they wanted to use/manipulate the cap.

Listen to the Friedman clip for greater context around this kind of thing. This is all simple stuff that teams do to circumvent the system.

@Gary Nylund I addressed that you didn't address that while commenting on post 994. Circles.
 
The only good thing that'll happen when the Leafs go out in the first round in 5 is that Dubas will be fired and the Dubas Defense League will have to actually root for the team rather than the GM.

Weirdest thing I've even seen.
Cmon man , wtf , I’m so glad you were never on my team … I mean it , certainly you have the right to your opinion , but brotha , I’ve been a fan for 60+ years and I’ve never had premonitions on losing or demise of my team as a player or fan
It’s all good , but I just don’t get that fans of any team think like this ?? You should probably be a fan of the cup winner and keep changing to the team that wins every year, that way you’ll never feel this way ..
It’s not just you , but alas if that’s the way you feel about the team you root for , then ? Well , keep on trucking…
Just don’t get it other than posters here that are actually trolling , but for the few that are a “ fans “ and have this thought process, so be it
GFLG
 
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Literally rooting for the best Leafs team you've ever seen to lose in the playoffs...all because you hate the GM for reasons.

Bizarre.
I'm not rooting for them to lose. I just accept reality. This team isn't built right and Dubas won't be the one to correct that.
 
"justified" What you're not understanding is it was the LEAFS who decided this. It wasn't whether he was healthy or not as the guide here. It was an organizational decision regarding how they wanted to use/manipulate the cap.

Listen to the Friedman clip for greater context around this kind of thing. This is all simple stuff that teams do to circumvent the system.

@Gary Nylund I addressed that you didn't address that while commenting on post 994. Circles.

What do you mean?

They deliberately and clearly did not circumvent the cap via Muzzin's injury even though the opportunity might have been there and though many other teams may have done so in the same situation.
 
The Leafs are better than they have ever been.

Anyone who roots for the team would obviously be rooting for this GM, but bizarrely so many fans let their personal hate for a GM make them root against the best Leafs team they have ever seen


It's truly messed up.

That actually doesn't have to be true at all

You can root for a team and not root management. I love Canada but I don't like Treadeau at all

Every investment and time is measured against opportunity cost. Kyle Dubas has taken what should have been a super competitive team, turned them into a choke artist

His data driven decision has cost this team significant opportunity to progress. We should have been the team in the finals last year. I guess we are just going ot accept that and let the by gones by be by gones

His trades?
Foligno for 1st
Kadri who would have gotten 100 points this year if not for injury and suspension for who exactly?

We have no addressed out goalie situation. Team top 9 still super soft

Remember Ceaser?

It's not that I dont' love Ceasers, I love Rome more..... It is because some of us Love the Leafs hate what we have in our management

For all that he was given, he hasn't gotten past 1 single round of playoff hockey...........1

But glory to him to our supreme leader because if I dont' like him, clearlyI don't love the Leafs
 
He's rooting against the GM because he wants to see what they do in the playoffs before touting them as the best Leafs team ever?

He literally just said that them losing in the playoffs was the best thing because dubas would be fired.

How did you miss that?
 
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