Kyle Dubas discussion II

[riffle]

Earl gets it... We'll see Kase in May. He will be suffering from concussion issues through April and then when May hits, he'll be just fine. Magic.

 

[Gary Nylund]

"Pretended". Wow.

Don't worry, he'll magically be over it when the cap goes away in May.

Are you suffering from a concussion now?

 

[zeke]

Bunkis was ripping the Leafs for bring Muzzin back rather than putting him on LTIR and acquiring a RWer to play with Tavares using the extra cap space. Leafs probably preferred giving Muzzin a few games to get ready for the playoffs rather than throwing him straight into a playoff series. Given the number of games Muzzin has played between returning from his second concussion and now being out of the lineup, it would have been nice to have added somebody who could ignite Tavares. Kerfoot, Mik, and Willie are not the answer and they refuse to split 16 and 34.

Leafs are 13-3-2 since the deadline.

And who is Bunkis?

 

[zeke]

Earl gets it... We'll see Kase in May. He will be suffering from concussion issues through April and then when May hits, he'll be just fine. Magic.

That was prior to Mrazek LTIR.

Mrazek LTIR takes care of any of these other cap issues. Leafs can activate Kase today with no worries about the cap.

 

[Teeder Keon]

Leafs are 13-3-2 since the deadline.

And who is Bunkis?

 

[zeke]

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I wore this tape OUT:

 

[Drugstorecowboi]

Weird things part of the Leafs fanbase do, which irks me, "Fire Dubas!"...and replace him with whom? Who will see this Shannahan/Dubas vision through? "Dubas can't get a goalie!".... with what budget? Who else will play for a million per? The fact that Dubas had Kallgren up his sleeve is more impressive based on the maxed out cap. And lastly, all of the Nylander hate...please stop/go away. Dubas and Willie will be a part of our playoff success.

 

[Teeder Keon]

I wore this tape OUT:

Best defensive player ever in football
Maybe the best player ever ?
He was a true monster in a era of tough tough football

 

[ShaneFalco]

"Fire Dubas!"...and replace him with whom? Who will see this Shannahan/Dubas vision through?

Perhaps if they go out again early, the will to carry on this "vision" will be gone, as it should be.
And about getting another goalie or another GM some say "ok then who?" . I dunno most people don't have a staff /scouts/advisors who have contacts throughout the league and have a ton of information we are not privy to.
Kallgren up his sleeve? Not even sure what that means
Dubas and Willy may or may not be part of our playoff success. In fact it's been the opposite. We'll see if that changes this year

 

[ToneDog]

Leafs are 13-3-2 since the deadline.

And who is Bunkis?

Fan 590 morning show host. I think he is more concerned going into the playoffs against Tampa than their record since the TDL. I thought is was a gimme they would LTIT Muzzin to free up cap space to add at the TDL.

Tampa just lit up the Leafs (13-3-2) 8-1 and Florida (15-1-1) 8-4 since the TDL.

 

[Jojalu]

Fan 590 morning show host. I think he is more concerned going into the playoffs against Tampa than their record since the TDL. I thought is was a gimme they would LTIT Muzzin to free up cap space to add at the TDL.

Tampa just lit up the Leafs (13-3-2) 8-1 and Florida (15-1-1) 8-4 since the TDL.

The Leafs also whipped TB since the deadline.

Each on their home ice.

 

[ToneDog]

The Leafs also whipped TB since the deadline.

Each on their home ice.

True but adding a "heavy" player at the TDL that could play with Tavares would make us better. We need more out of our 2nd so that we are more than a one line team in the playoffs.

 

[Martin Skoula]

DK? Hilarious. I like when people stumble upon new terminology.

You honestly believe Kase couldn't be playing right now? Why isn't he?

How about Mrazek? You think he's still hurt and they didn't use his injury status to manipulate the cap. Yes, there are legitimate usages of it for injuries, and there are also very illegitimate usages. Honestly, tell me you believe the cap just magically works out year after year and all of it is done with 100% integrity. No Maple Leaf in the Dubas era was ready to return but held out to manipulate the strapped cap? Hey, let's forget about ever, let's talk about RIGHT NOW, too. Can't wait to read your reply.

The audacity to speak to Dunning-Kruger while believing over the last several years that everything just works out perfectly and Dubas/Pridham are just "masterful". You probably applaud recruiters at your college football university of choice, too. All on the up and up. No rules ever broken. Masterful job of recruiting.

You're right, Dunning Kruger is too generous, you're more like the Alex Jones of this board. Everything has a secret sinister second meaning that these stupid SHEEP are not able to see unlike you who sees through all of it.

Kase and Mrazek were on the team to start the year, that team came in under the cap ceiling. We don't need their LTIR to fit any of our players under the cap, this is not a Vegas/TBL situation. We can play a full roster right now if everyone was healthy, you still haven't showed us exactly what we're doing to manipulate the cap.

Specifically by how much would we be over the cap if Dubas and Pridham weren't doing their dark magic on the cap and forcing Kase to be concussed?

I WISH Dubas and Pridham were willing to do what you're describing, we'd have an extra 5 mil worth of players right now to add in the playoffs. They're too by the book, need to be willing to have a couple criminals in the army, to borrow from Lombardi.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Weird things part of the Leafs fanbase do, which irks me, "Fire Dubas!"...and replace him with whom? Who will see this Shannahan/Dubas vision through? "Dubas can't get a goalie!".... with what budget? Who else will play for a million per? The fact that Dubas had Kallgren up his sleeve is more impressive based on the maxed out cap. And lastly, all of the Nylander hate...please stop/go away. Dubas and Willie will be a part of our playoff success.

The is literally nobody out there that can GM a hockey team. If we let go of Kyle, we'll be the only NHL team without a GM and it will be massively embarrassing. We'd probably just be given whoever was next on Bob Mckenzie's draft order list by default in lieu of anyone being able to announce the selection.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Would you do me the same solid in return and explain the implications of Keefe's attached post-game comment after the Caps game?

Do you think Kase isn't playing because he's not healthy enough? Or, is the reason he can't play is we don't have the cap space? I'll bet you think his injury will magically be timed up to end when the playoffs start. Such great fortune? Earlier in the season, we would move guys around as needed extending injury times as needed to remain cap compliant. It is not natural...it is all manipulated. Again, tell me why Kase isn't playing? He cant. No cap space to activate him. So, we can't use a player who can help us because of the cap. Make no mistake he 100% could play but only can't due to the cap. It's a dance that goes on year after year.

If the Leafs wanted to bring Kase back and the circumstances were set back 30 games, and Bunting had a larger salary to cover Kase's cap number, Bunting would be shelved to use space to get Kase back and Bunting's injury would be extended out until they could repeat the process. Ain't nobody to do that for poor Kase right now. So Bunting will stay on the cap. All manipulation. All of it. Leafs are harmed often by this manipulation but many see it as just bad injury luck. No. It is cap manipulation tying hands as in the case of Kase right now.

For someone who complained about post concussion issues causing them to not post during a leafs hot streak cause it was hard on them your views on Kase are really weird

 

[Nylanderthal]

You're right, Dunning Kruger is too generous, you're more like the Alex Jones of this board. Everything has a secret sinister second meaning that these stupid SHEEP are not able to see unlike you who sees through all of it.

Kase and Mrazek were on the team to start the year, that team came in under the cap ceiling. We don't need their LTIR to fit any of our players under the cap, this is not a Vegas/TBL situation. We can play a full roster right now if everyone was healthy, you still haven't showed us exactly what we're doing to manipulate the cap.

Specifically by how much would we be over the cap if Dubas and Pridham weren't doing their dark magic on the cap and forcing Kase to be concussed?

I WISH Dubas and Pridham were willing to do what you're describing, we'd have an extra 5 mil worth of players right now to add in the playoffs. They're too by the book, need to be willing to have a couple criminals in the army, to borrow from Lombardi.

Math is hard, post concussion syndrome makes it tough to keep the numbers in focus. Give them a break

 

[riffle]

For someone who complained about post concussion issues causing them to not post during a leafs hot streak cause it was hard on them your views on Kase are really weird

Not at all. You have good days and bad days and you can go long periods of time without symptoms. Impossible to know if you're all done, forever, or if you'll suffer 10 minutes from now.

You watch. He will be just fine in May. My quarrel with that is you will think that means that he must be healthy enough to play and think nothing more of it. He most likely could've played long ago, same as Muzzin when he was concussed. The Leafs use injuries as license for cap manipulation. They are not the only ones.

 

[riffle]

Are you suffering from a concussion now?

Nope. I have learned to step away from the posting when I feel those symptoms but I appreciate the question.

@Martin Skoula Nothing on the Keefe snip? Nothing on the Earl Schwartz tweet? Are there types who don't see because they don't want to? Absolutely. Are you one of them? I don't know. To be clear, are you arguing that fans of any sports team have no "sheep" among the following. That concept doesn't exist? There aren't also people who follow teams who don't fit the description of "sheep"? You are trying hard to frame something a certain way. I reject your framing and ask you to answer these simple questions as well as respond to the Keefe clip and the Schwartz tweet.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Not at all. You have good days and bad days and you can go long periods of time without symptoms. Impossible to know if you're all done, forever, or if you'll suffer 10 minutes from now.

You watch. He will be just fine in May. My quarrel with that is you will think that means that he must be healthy enough to play and think nothing more of it. He most likely could've played long ago, same as Muzzin when he was concussed. The Leafs use injuries as license for cap manipulation. They are not the only ones.

What you're saying about Kase is nothing more than speculation and the fact that the Leafs could have done something like this with Muzzin but chose not to, suggests that you're probably wrong.

Even if you're not wrong, what is it exactly that you're upset about. If other teams do it, why would you be upset about the Leafs doing it? Maybe I'm missing something here but you seem really angry and it's not clear to me why.

 

[riffle]

What you're saying about Kase is nothing more than speculation and the fact that the Leafs could have done something like this with Muzzin but chose not to, suggests that you're probably wrong.

Even if you're not wrong, what is it exactly that you're upset about. If other teams do it, why would you be upset about the Leafs doing it? Maybe I'm missing something here but you seem really angry and it's not clear to me why.

I'm not upset at all. I just find it humorous that this isn't understood.

No different than someone not understanding that cheating in college football recruiting is rampant and thinking it doesn't occur because it's almost never punished.

It's frustrating that it isn't understood. It should be something we all understand and get. It seems like pulling teeth to get some to even ponder the possibility that might be true much less get them to ever believe this is how it actually works.

 

[zeke]

I'm not upset at all. I just find it humorous that this isn't understood.

No different than someone not understanding that cheating in college football recruiting is rampant and thinking it doesn't occur because it's almost never punished.

It's frustrating that it isn't understood. It should be something we all understand and get. It seems like pulling teeth to get some to even ponder the possibility that might be true much less get them to ever believe this is how it actually works.

Do you still not understand that the Leafs can activate Kase today with zero cap repercussions?

Or are you deciding you would rather believe a fantasy than reality?

 

[fahad203]

The is literally nobody out there that can GM a hockey team. If we let go of Kyle, we'll be the only NHL team without a GM and it will be massively embarrassing. We'd probably just be given whoever was next on Bob Mckenzie's draft order list by default in lieu of anyone being able to announce the selection.

Not sure why you feel that way. There are plenty of potential GMs out there. Just because you and I don't know much about them doens't mean the hockey world doesn't

Mathew Darche(spelling?) is a mastermind behind Tampa Hockey Operations. He's their key man for contract negotiations

There's also Rob Dimio of St.Louis who was the right hand man for Doug Armstrong. I think he's their Director of player personnel

Craig Conroy is an assistant GM with the Flames

Dubas around here gets a lot of love for someone who has delivered absolutely nothing. Unless he wins few rounds he should be out with his buddies

He as drafted ok and we will find out in few years. It's not like he has drafted Kaprizov in low round picks, or the next kucherov, Shesterkin

If you draft long enough these days eventually everyone gets few home run picks. If he's so good at drafting, then he should be head of scout. I am ok with that

He's horrible in contract negotiations
Horrible at trades. Trading for a 39 year old isn't exactly a massive win. He has played exceptionally well and probably the best trade he has made tot his date. No doubt about that

But Kadri and Foligno .....Bro

He has landed some good players in FA sure. But it's like he's throwing darts at the wall and see what sticks
We tried like another 20 players that he signed as FA's were total trash

Bets on the wrong goalie again. His success in this city will depend on how Campbell comes plays in the playoffs

Time for excuses are done. if you can't beat Tampa, Montreal, Columbus..... Who can you beat?
We are not going to play the Ottawa in the playoffs

 

[JKG33]

Not sure why you feel that way. There are plenty of potential GMs out there. Just because you and I don't know much about them doens't mean the hockey world doesn't

Mathew Darche(spelling?) is a mastermind behind Tampa Hockey Operations. He's their key man for contract negotiations

There's also Rob Dimio of St.Louis who was the right hand man for Doug Armstrong. I think he's their Director of player personnel

Craig Conroy is an assistant GM with the Flames

Dubas around here gets a lot of love for someone who has delivered absolutely nothing. Unless he wins few rounds he should be out with his buddies

He as drafted ok and we will find out in few years. It's not like he has drafted Kaprizov in low round picks, or the next kucherov, Shesterkin

If you draft long enough these days eventually everyone gets few home run picks. If he's so good at drafting, then he should be head of scout. I am ok with that

He's horrible in contract negotiations
Horrible at trades. Trading for a 39 year old isn't exactly a massive win. He has played exceptionally well and probably the best trade he has made tot his date. No doubt about that

But Kadri and Foligno .....Bro

He has landed some good players in FA sure. But it's like he's throwing darts at the wall and see what sticks
We tried like another 20 players that he signed as FA's were total trash

Bets on the wrong goalie again. His success in this city will depend on how Campbell comes plays in the playoffs

Time for excuses are done. if you can't beat Tampa, Montreal, Columbus..... Who can you beat?
We are not going to play the Ottawa in the playoffs

Extremely well said. There are far more people out there with the abilities to be a GM than there are GM positions. I'm all for giving a GM a bunch of years to fulfill their vision and see if it works, so long as that vision makes sense from the get go.

But Dubas' vision just doesn't make sense. The team he's assembled doesn't win you cups. Overpaying soft top 6 forwards, not surrounding them with the grit needed. Even his drafting doesn't make sense. Health issues aside, drafting Amirov and passing on Schneider is an inexcusable mistake. Schneider was exactly the type of player needed: Right handed, physical d-man, and he's already making an impact on a playoff team. I'm not saying this with the benefit of hindsight either, I wanted that pick at the time and was shocked he fell that far. Trading for Foligno instead of Sam Bennett is another huge miss.

All those assistant GM's you named, as well as some older who have won before. I would've happily taken a guy like Rutherford, who despite his faults has actually put together multiple cup winning teams. Or a guy like Lombardi who installed the final pieces around Kopitar and Doughty and Quick to transform them into a 3-4 year powerhouse.

 

[ACC1224]

Not sure why you feel that way. There are plenty of potential GMs out there. Just because you and I don't know much about them doens't mean the hockey world doesn't

Mathew Darche(spelling?) is a mastermind behind Tampa Hockey Operations. He's their key man for contract negotiations

There's also Rob Dimio of St.Louis who was the right hand man for Doug Armstrong. I think he's their Director of player personnel

Craig Conroy is an assistant GM with the Flames

Dubas around here gets a lot of love for someone who has delivered absolutely nothing. Unless he wins few rounds he should be out with his buddies

He as drafted ok and we will find out in few years. It's not like he has drafted Kaprizov in low round picks, or the next kucherov, Shesterkin

If you draft long enough these days eventually everyone gets few home run picks. If he's so good at drafting, then he should be head of scout. I am ok with that

He's horrible in contract negotiations
Horrible at trades. Trading for a 39 year old isn't exactly a massive win. He has played exceptionally well and probably the best trade he has made tot his date. No doubt about that

But Kadri and Foligno .....Bro

He has landed some good players in FA sure. But it's like he's throwing darts at the wall and see what sticks
We tried like another 20 players that he signed as FA's were total trash

Bets on the wrong goalie again. His success in this city will depend on how Campbell comes plays in the playoffs

Time for excuses are done. if you can't beat Tampa, Montreal, Columbus..... Who can you beat?
We are not going to play the Ottawa in the playoffs

Pretty sure the poster you quoted was being sarcastic. Of course there would be many options if Shanahan chose to replace him.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Not sure why you feel that way. There are plenty of potential GMs out there. Just because you and I don't know much about them doens't mean the hockey world doesn't

Mathew Darche(spelling?) is a mastermind behind Tampa Hockey Operations. He's their key man for contract negotiations

There's also Rob Dimio of St.Louis who was the right hand man for Doug Armstrong. I think he's their Director of player personnel

Craig Conroy is an assistant GM with the Flames

Dubas around here gets a lot of love for someone who has delivered absolutely nothing. Unless he wins few rounds he should be out with his buddies

He as drafted ok and we will find out in few years. It's not like he has drafted Kaprizov in low round picks, or the next kucherov, Shesterkin

If you draft long enough these days eventually everyone gets few home run picks. If he's so good at drafting, then he should be head of scout. I am ok with that

He's horrible in contract negotiations
Horrible at trades. Trading for a 39 year old isn't exactly a massive win. He has played exceptionally well and probably the best trade he has made tot his date. No doubt about that

But Kadri and Foligno .....Bro

He has landed some good players in FA sure. But it's like he's throwing darts at the wall and see what sticks
We tried like another 20 players that he signed as FA's were total trash

Bets on the wrong goalie again. His success in this city will depend on how Campbell comes plays in the playoffs

Time for excuses are done. if you can't beat Tampa, Montreal, Columbus..... Who can you beat?
We are not going to play the Ottawa in the playoffs

I agree