Kyle Dubas discussion II

[riffle]

Muzzin is on the cap now

I know. Kase is not. Do you know how much cap is available right now? I do. Go look. Keefe even addressed it. I looked after I heard him speak to how tight the cap situation was making callups difficult. People saying no issue to activate Kase might look into that one.

 

[Nylanderthal]

I know. Kase is not. Do you know how much cap is available right now? I do. Go look. Keefe even addressed it. I looked after I heard him speak to how tight the cap situation was making callups difficult. People saying no issue to activate Kase might look into that one.

I don’t think you do….. They have enough room to take Kase off LTIR. Right now they’re using 2.348 of ltir with Mrazek (3.8) Kase (1.25) and Sandin on LTIR for a total of 5.9. Minus the $90k shy of the upper cap limit they were when they went into LTIR and they still have plenty of room.
Yet again you’re talking out of your ass making shit up that is wildly incorrect and outright wrong.
Does that ever get tiring?

 

[57 Years No Cup]

It's what you posted. Backtrack away.

Not what I said at all. At no point did I say I rooted for or hoped that the Leafs would lose. I do however suggest that with the makeup of this team and Dubas' failure to change it the first round loss in inevitable.

 

[JKG33]

You can calm down on the aggressiveness here. I'm with you in terms of the skepticism of the playoffs (to the point where I don't think they'll make it past round 1).

But that it's the point.

The point is that this is the best regular season Leafs' team we've seen in the modern era - as evidence by their record, wins, and points in the standings. I did not said last year or the year prior's was better. The proof is in the standings.

And while I get the skepticism, it's your own fault if you can't appreciate how awesome the regular season has been because in addition to the above:

- Watching Matthews' hit 50 goals AND break Vaive's record positioning himself for his second Rocket
- Marner having his best season, and could hit 100 points
- Two 100-point players is incredible considering it's only happened 4 times in the past for the Leafs

A lot of fun things to enjoy.

Will that all go to hell in a couple of weeks? Probably. Doesn't mean you can't enjoy/appreciate what has been do date.

Trust, this isn't me being aggressive. I'm simply tired of the delusional half of this fanbase being stuck in a Groundhog Day like loop in regards to playoff expectations.

I just don't find it enjoyable when I know the real prize will likely yet again be out of reach. Good for Matthews and Marner, but ultimately I couldn't care less. Do something in the playoffs, then I'll be impressed.

I enjoy playoff hockey. I'd prefer if the Leafs were the ones going deep but with or without them that is the pinnacle of hockey to watch. The regular season is simply a tool to determine the best 16 teams that deserve a shot at playing for what really matters. The Leafs finishing 1st or 16th is relatively inconsequential when they can't win a round regardless.

 

[Gallagbi]

I know. Kase is not. Do you know how much cap is available right now? I do. Go look. Keefe even addressed it. I looked after I heard him speak to how tight the cap situation was making callups difficult. People saying no issue to activate Kase might look into that one.

You and I can both look up capfriendlys numbers, I think the question is whether either of us can accurately review and interpret LTIR calculation and cap space accrual to determine whether Kase can be activated for the remaining 6 days (hell stretch it to 2+ weeks if you want)

My understanding is they'd have the room demoting Abruzesse to reactivate Kase.

 

[Jojalu]

Not what I said at all. At no point did I say I rooted for or hoped that the Leafs would lose. I do however suggest that with the makeup of this team and Dubas' failure to change it the first round loss in inevitable.

By makeup do you mean core?

The team is vastly different from last year.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Basically we're trying to get from Moncton to Vancouver via train, but we keep breaking down just outside of Winnipeg.

The 1st group just wants to get there. Not hugely bothered about how. But every train they get, they see the same issues with the train, like the previous ones, as they travel across Ontario.

The 2nd group enjoy the journey. They're not massively bothered if they get to Vancouver or not. They enjoy the food, sights and sleeping arrangements. Every time the train enters Ontario, they are telling all the other passengers that this train is much better than the previous ones they've been on.

The 1st group asks why they are so confident when the same issues keep appearing with the train.

The 2nd group responds that it's had a new coat of paint and a new set of dice dangling from the rear view mirror.

When the 1st group asks about the engines, brakes and suspension, the second group responds with expected arrival times in all different form of charts, tables and graphs.

When the train breaks down, the 1st group suggests maybe a different driver or operator would be a good idea to build off what has already been built.

The 2nd group explains there are no other train drivers in the world that could possible get their heads around a train.

That's about it.

This is an awesome analogy. NICE JOB!

 

[Jojalu]

Trust, this isn't me being aggressive. I'm simply tired of the delusional half of this fanbase being stuck in a Groundhog Day like loop in regards to playoff expectations.

I just don't find it enjoyable when I know the real prize will likely yet again be out of reach. Good for Matthews and Marner, but ultimately I couldn't care less. Do something in the playoffs, then I'll be impressed.

I enjoy playoff hockey. I'd prefer if the Leafs were the ones going deep but with or without them that is the pinnacle of hockey to watch. The regular season is simply a tool to determine the best 16 teams that deserve a shot at playing for what really matters. The Leafs finishing 1st or 16th is relatively inconsequential when they can't win a round regardless.

Then why bother at all?

Show up for the playoffs.

Lol at delusional part of the fanbase. The whole concept of liking sports is built on hope.

Hope is high because the Leafs just had their greatest regular season ever. You can't argue that. It is fact. Whether it results in any playoff success is yet to be determined.

It is not delusional to hope and believe the team you cheer for can have success

 

[57 Years No Cup]

We will be very lucky if Kase plays another pro hockey game in his career.

Don't expect him back for the playoffs, so not sure.theres any conspiracy at play here. He likely ends up getting a league minimum deal from the Leafs and either terminates or is LTIR'd by the start of next season if he doesn't feel up to playing

One thing that we can all agree on is that we all love Kase's heart and attitude and the way he plays the game. For his own sake though he needs to hang it up.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Reality is the playoffs havn't started so you don't know if this team is buolt for the playoffs.

They have 40% different players than last year and although the core remained the same they have all shown a new degree of playoff hockey throughout the season.

They very well might lose to Tampa. They might also win.

People act like the Leafs have been swept in every playoff series. Not to mention dismiss the record regular season they have put togethercad if it is meaningless.

Even if the Leafs lose they will not fire Dubas but allow him to change the core and see what happens from there

And that would be a mistake.

 

[Jojalu]

And that would be a mistake.

I have to disagree.

He has overhauled the roster to make it more playoff ready.

Since the deadline the Leafs are

4th in hits
12th in blocked shots
1st in penalty minutes
1st in takeaways
5th in fighting majors

They stick up for each other in scrumas and more often than not win all board battles.

Eventually the players have to perform to their abilities in the playoffs. I think he has done enough to trade pieces of the core if they fail again

 

[JKG33]

Then why bother at all?

Show up for the playoffs.

Lol at delusional part of the fanbase. The whole concept of liking sports is built on hope.

Hope is high because the Leafs just had their greatest regular season ever. You can't argue that. It is fact. Whether it results in any playoff success is yet to be determined.

It is not delusional to hope and believe the team you cheer for can have success

I enjoy hockey and the journey to get there as well, don't get me wrong. But believing in this team year after when they have done nothing to change is delusional. And no, swapping around a new #3 d-man or some inconsequential wingers doesn't count as a major change. Move one of the big 4. Bring in a real #1D or #1G. Until then we'll just continue to ride the same merry-go-round.

I'd love for these guys to prove me wrong this spring.

 

[Havoc]

Our top line has two 100 point players.

Our second line has two 70 point players.

We've had one of the best 3rd lines in the league all season long, whether it was Engvall-Kampf-Kase or Mik-Kampf-Engvall.

We have a top 4 d-man on our third pairing. The blueline is finally balanced with a nice combination of transition, 2-way play and grit.

We are two years removed from being tied for youngest team in the East playoffs. Fast forward two years later and we cruise into the playoffs with over 50 wins and a bunch of guys entering their prime hungry to make amends and make up for past defeats. Cruise is an understatement we locked up a playoff spot before Xmas. Over the last quarter of the season we have also become one of the most grittiest teams in the league to go along with our skill. We asked/demanded to increase the hits per game to go along with the skill and Dubas and the players delivered.

Bunch of wimps in here throwing in the towel before game 1. Such a buzz kill.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

Our top line has two 100 point players.

Our second line has two 70 point players.

We've had one of the best 3rd lines in the league all season long, whether it was Engvall-Kampf-Kase or Mik-Kampf-Engvall.

We have a top 4 d-man on our third pairing. The blueline is finally balanced with a nice combination of transition, 2-way play and grit.

We are two years removed from being tied for youngest team in the East playoffs. Fast forward two years later and we cruise into the playoffs with over 50 wins and a bunch of guys entering their prime hungry to make amends and make up for past defeats. Cruise is an understatement we locked up a playoff spot before Xmas. Over the last quarter of the season we have also become one of the most grittiest teams in the league to go along with our skill. We asked/demanded to increase the hits per game to go along with the skill and Dubas and the players delivered.

Bunch of wimps in here throwing in the towel before game 1. Such a buzz kill.

lets f***ing gooooooo now this is more like it.

 

[kevsh]

Every year except the first against the Caps there's been so much enthusiasm.

"The team is different this year."
"They've learned from past mistakes."
"Their stars are ready this time."

And for four years running they've failed to deliver. Yes, this team looks better. Deeper, more mature, more aggressive, but until they win something none of it matters.

And no, they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt. To blow a 3-1 series lead to our biggest rival, even worse losing game 7 on home ice (thankfully there were no fans in the building to witness it). After all the picks & prospects given up, Dubas constantly telling the fans he has faith in players that not backed him up at all for that faith.

No more excuses for this roster after a franchise record-breaking season. They're going to finish something like 4th overall in the standings. It's time to prove they can win when it really matters.

 

[TheRumble]

I honestly question if any of you guys enjoy watching hockey if you're throwing in the towel this early on an objectively great season.

Only 1 team wins every year. This doesn't mean you can't celebrate smaller moments in between the start and end of the season. A lot of you guys just seem "happy" to be miserable.

You have to bitch about something all the time.

The Cap, Kyle Dubas, Tavares, Nylander, Marner, Matthews, losing a game, winning a game by methods you deem not to be playoff worthy etc.

 

[TheRumble]

We scored enough to not blow many leads. That us not what happens in playoffs. You control games with your defence, forcheck and backcheck when you have a lead. If not you lose 8 7, 7 6 because teams in the playoffs do not give up like game 35 of the regular season.

This is an example of how nuts these doomers are.

This dude just hand waved away about 49 wins because we won too early in the season for it to count or because we scored TOO many goals.

Based on this dude's criteria, Toronto has only has 3 wins this year:

vs Carolina - 3-2 win. (Game 61)

vs Dallas - 4-0 win, not sure if 4 goal margin of victory is too many for him though. (Game 60)

vs Florida - 5-2, one was an empty netter so it's effectively 4-2.

 

[meefer]

I honestly question if any of you guys enjoy watching hockey if you're throwing in the towel this early on an objectively great season.

Only 1 team wins every year. This doesn't mean you can't celebrate smaller moments in between the start and end of the season. A lot of you guys just seem "happy" to be miserable.

You have to bitch about something all the time.

The Cap, Kyle Dubas, Tavares, Nylander, Marner, Matthews, losing a game, winning a game by methods you deem not to be playoff worthy etc.

You’ve got my vote.

 

[The Podium]

I know. Kase is not. Do you know how much cap is available right now? I do. Go look. Keefe even addressed it. I looked after I heard him speak to how tight the cap situation was making callups difficult. People saying no issue to activate Kase might look into that one.

Callups aren’t difficult because the cap is tight, callups are difficult because they are limited (to 4 IIRC)

The Leafs have 600k while carrying 4 extras, realistically they have 3.2 mill in available space assuming a 21 man roster and Mrazek stay on LTIR.

They can bring back Kase and still have almost 2 mill in available cap.

Kase likely does not play a game this year, and possibly never again in his life.

Swing and a miss Riffey, find something else to bitch about

 

[riffle]

We will be very lucky if Kase plays another pro hockey game in his career.

Don't expect him back for the playoffs, so not sure.theres any conspiracy at play here. He likely ends up getting a league minimum deal from the Leafs and either terminates or is LTIR'd by the start of next season if he doesn't feel up to playing

I think he's out there Game 1. We will see.

He hasn't retired nor have the Leafs made any announcement they're shutting him down for good.

This team needs guys like him. He's a heart and soul type of player. If Bunting is not back, this team needs Kase even more.

Keefe mentioned him, recently in one of his availabilities. I don't think the plan is not to play him.

 

[riffle]

Callups aren’t difficult because the cap is tight, callups are difficult because they are limited (to 4 IIRC)

The Leafs have 600k while carrying 4 extras, realistically they have 3.2 mill in available space assuming a 21 man roster and Mrazek stay on LTIR.

They can bring back Kase and still have almost 2 mill in available cap.

Kase likely does not play a game this year, and possibly never again in his life.

Swing and a miss Riffey, find something else to bitch about

This was Keefe after the Sunday night Caps game. No swing and a miss.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I honestly question if any of you guys enjoy watching hockey if you're throwing in the towel this early on an objectively great season.

Only 1 team wins every year. This doesn't mean you can't celebrate smaller moments in between the start and end of the season. A lot of you guys just seem "happy" to be miserable.

You have to bitch about something all the time.

The Cap, Kyle Dubas, Tavares, Nylander, Marner, Matthews, losing a game, winning a game by methods you deem not to be playoff worthy etc.

Thanks for the info. Can you tell us how many teams manage to win at least one playoff round?

 

[Dreakmur]

The Leafs are better than they have ever been.

Anyone who roots for the team would obviously be rooting for this GM, but bizarrely so many fans let their personal hate for a GM make them root against the best Leafs team they have ever seen


It's truly messed up.

It’s not binary. You can think dubas has done a generally good job and also see flaws in the team. You can cheer for the team without being naive.

I hope this team overcomes the flaws I see and win the cup. Their strengths are elite and might good enough to potentially compensate for their weaknesses. At the same time, they do have pretty clear weaknesses that can be exploited.

Dubas has done a pretty good job learning from his mistakes, and even if we lose, I’m not sure I’d want him gone, though I would want him to break up the core.

 

[ACC1224]

We will be very lucky if Kase plays another pro hockey game in his career.

Don't expect him back for the playoffs, so not sure.theres any conspiracy at play here. He likely ends up getting a league minimum deal from the Leafs and either terminates or is LTIR'd by the start of next season if he doesn't feel up to playing

Looks like he's on the ice today.

 

[ACC1224]

It’s not binary. You can think dubas has done a generally good job and also see flaws in the team. You can cheer for the team without being naive.

I hope this team overcomes the flaws I see and win the cup. Their strengths are elite and might good enough to potentially compensate for their weaknesses. At the same time, they do have pretty clear weaknesses that can be exploited.

Dubas has done a pretty good job learning from his mistakes, and even if we lose, I’m not sure I’d want him gone, though I would want him to break up the core.

NO.
You must praise all things all the time or you are not a proper fan.