Kyle Dubas becomes quickest Leafs GM to 100 Wins

[BertCorbeau]

I didn't do a deep dive, but I'm pretty sure BriseBois took over before their Presidents Trophy season, so he'd be there

Ah I think you’re right

 

[CapspaceKiller]

Easily could see him winning General Manager of the year

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

He couldnt. He needed the entire fan base to beg him for it otherwise the myth of Babcock the genius coach would have clouded over Dubas and Keefe after every loss. He timed it perfectly.

This is a good point. It would’ve been better for the team competitive wise, but the Babcock apologia would be even worse than it is now. We already see how Lou gets so much fawning for the points record setting season (on the back of 7 shootout wins). Though if Babs is fired early the Leafs likely finish higher in the standings, have a better team system, avoid Columbus, and then go on to do who knows what else.

Though I think the main obstacle was the higher ups at MLSE, no doubt Babs failure by his own hand made the divorce easier on fans.

 

[moon111]

He was horrible ...
Mr Gregory was more what I started with as a fan in the organization in the 60s and 70s , he was good person and actually drafted well and had a lot of success , but when Ballard started taking over it went downhill after that ... then all that crap with rehiring of Imlach was dreadful and then more crap , then up with Fletcher and Quinn and you know the rest ...until now ....
Great times great times

I look at how bad the Leafs were back then. And get really jealous of these newer fans that never had to endure that. They're going to be living the high life of this team and beyond.

...but then I look at how atrocious music is today. Overall don't think I'd trade one bit.

 

[Teeder Keon]

I look at how bad the Leafs were back then. And get really jealous of these newer fans that never had to endure that. They're going to be living the high life of this team and beyond.

...but then I look at how atrocious music is today. Overall don't think I'd trade one bit.

Man don’t get me started on the music
I’m pushing Late 60s and we have a 34 year old but also a 14 and 12 year old
And I’m a music nut big time
And all I hear in the house lol is todays rap and today’s whatever the hell that’s tik tok top hits omfg it literally is the worst music in the history of music
I make a joke about it that the Bronze Age music was better than today’s
It’s horrendous
Go Leafs Go

 

[Cor]

Matthews, Marner and Nylander were already there on entry level deals. "Table wasn't bare".

He had one season of that.

Unfortunately previous management focused on giving big contracts to Marleau and Zaitsev to surround 3 stars on ELC’s.

There were pieces on the table, but the table was covered in shit

 

[The Masters]

except that isn't the case at all.

outside of Matthews and Nylander (former was a consensus pick and latter a Shanahan force on Nonis)

Dubas was there for Marner pick. I believe Hunter and Dubas were both for Marner, Babcock for Hanifin. I can't really see Dubas pining over Hanifin or Strome when Marner was there.

Dubas is the one who targeted and traded for Hyman. Dubas was the one who traded down for the pick that ultimately was Dermott... so it's possible he did that pick (we don't really know)

So of the players currently on the team this is what is true

Rielly (Burke)
Andersen (Lamoriello)
Nylander (Nonis/Shanahan)
Marner (Hunter/Dubas)
Matthews (Consensus)
Dermott (Possibly Dubas? no idea)
Engvall (Nonis/Shanahan)

Rest of the team is 100% Dubas.

So because of this... the only players that Dubas hasn't had a hand in/say on is Engvall, Nylander, Rielly and Andersen.

In reality it isn't a team that he inherited. It's his team from pretty much top to bottom.

Pretty sure Dermott w as a Hunter pick. He found that one and publically loved his game.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Rielly - Hainsey
Gardiner - Zaitsev
Dermott - Polak

“table set”

He has done some great things, Muzzin, Brodie, Spezza, Thornton Tavares etc.

But you don't get to post that defense and ignore the fact he started with Matthews Marner, Nylander Rielly, and Andersen.

That is a fantastic core.

The Table may not have been set but the food was ready

 

[NK94]

He has done some great things, Muzzin, Brodie, Spezza, Thornton Tavares etc.

But you don't get to post that defense and ignore the fact he started with Matthews Marner, Nylander Rielly, and Andersen.

That is a fantastic core.

The Table may not have been set but the food was ready

Outside of Rielly and Nylander, Dubas was there when everyone else was acquired. Lou outside of Andersen and a consensus first overall in Matthews was not.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Outside of Rielly and Nylander, Dubas was there when everyone else was acquired. Lou outside of Andersen and a consensus first overall in Matthews was not.

Preach. Outside of the very obvious Matthews pick and an admittedly solid trade for Andersen, none of the major pieces on this current roster, or even those playoff rosters under him, were brought in by Lou. The 2017 team was led by the likes of Marner, Nylander, Bozak, JVR, Kadri, Rielly, Gardiner, Hyman, and Brown, all of those guys who were key pieces en route to that playoff berth were already in the organization beforehand. Hell the coach was already here too.

I'm not kidding when I say he nearly didn't acquire any major pieces in his time here. Go look at his trade acquisitions and free agent signings here. The most prominent free agents are Ron Hainsey and Patrick Marleau. And both men were serviceable, but they weren't long term solutions, especially not Marleau for the money he cost, and he ended up being an albatross that had to be moved due to an extra year on his contract that Lou wasn't sure he'd be around for (thanks for leaving the shit for someone else to clean up). The rest of his foray into free agency yields nothing much else but Zaitsev, who had one good season and was promptly handed a massive albatross contract. Look at his trades, outside of Andersen they're all pretty minor with the most other noteworthy ones being for fourth line centres in Boyle and Plekanec. He moved out the Phaneuf contract with no salary retained so good show there, but then he wrecked the cap structure again with the Zaitsev and Marleau deals. The two drafts he was in charge for (2016 and 2017), whether you want to give Hunter credit or not, are complete duds outside of Matthews (again, an obvious selection) and Liljegren.

The man had no foresight outside of the scope of his contractual time with the team. Lou Lam gets too much credit for those early playoff years with this core and a points record season that came off the back of a bunch of wins in an extremely luck based, glorified skills competition. Most of the core was already here, he made an obvious pick at 1st overall, ran two awful drafts, saddled is successor with two awful contracts, and failed to truly take advantage of the teams time with our most skilled players on ELCs. But sure, he set the table for Dubas and Kyle is just reaping fruits of Lou's toil and trouble.

Say what you will about titles but at least Dubas was here when the 2015 draft happened that saw us draft Marner and Dermott. Dubas was the one who brought Hyman and Holl into the organization, two players who are and have been huge reasons for our success. Just counting Dubas' time here before he was officially named GM, there's more of him on this current roster than Lou.

 

[ACC1224]

Outside of Rielly and Nylander, Dubas was there when everyone else was acquired. Lou outside of Andersen and a consensus first overall in Matthews was not.

Yes all those players were there when he became GM. What does Lou Lam have to do with anything?

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

He has done some great things, Muzzin, Brodie, Spezza, Thornton Tavares etc.

But you don't get to post that defense and ignore the fact he started with Matthews Marner, Nylander Rielly, and Andersen.

That is a fantastic core.

The Table may not have been set but the food was ready

He was AGM when Marner was selected. A lot of building left to do and an almost barren prospect pool.

 

[Mickey Marner]

How long did it take those gm's to get 100 wins with their new teams?

Briesbois took 140 games lol. That has to be the NHL record considering he took over the just before the 62 win season.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Yes all those players were there when he became GM. What does Lou Lam have to do with anything?

Lou was a good GM.

 

[zeke]

Yes all those players were there when he became GM. What does Lou Lam have to do with anything?

You were convinced this roster was hot trash tho.

 

[ACC1224]

Lou was a good GM.

Not as bad as some make him out to be. How tenure seems to be over exaggerated a bit in an attempt to pump up Dubas. Strange really, Dubas should be able to stand on his own.

 

[ACC1224]

You were convinced this roster was hot trash tho.

Think you have me confused with some one else. I would never utter something so juvenile.

 

[zeke]

Think you have me confused with some one else. I would never utter something so juvenile.

I stand by my paraphrase.

 

[zeke]

Strange really, Dubas should be able to stand on his own.

NHL Hockey Standings

 

[Mess]

The 105 point team you speak of was almost entirely inherited from the previous regime. Check out the roster.

Its not the roster but rather the results I'm referring to, and here is the math to confirm this and the results don't lie !!!.

2017-18 inherited team: 49 wins & 105 points in 82 games and Lost in round #1

Has Dubas since taking over as the GM exceeded any one of those 3 X marks as in Wins/season, Points/season or advancement in the playoffs? The answer is NO!!

In fact stats show the team has produced wins at a lower rate since the GM change.

Inherited Team = .598 wins per game rate (49W/82 games). [at 49 wins/season in 2 full seasons you would have 98 wins if the new GM simply kept the same inherited pace with no improvement over 164 games]. At that rate it should have taken just 167 games to reach 100 wins to break-even on inherited pace.

Despite adding a #1 franchise C in JT it took Dubas 176 games to reach 100 wins = .568 wins/game rate (100W/176 games).

The actual results show post GM change the team is producing wins at a lower rate/game than the inherited team of 2017-18 to achieve this new fastest Leafs GM to 100 wins mark.

PS. The fact that the team lost in Qualifying round and didn't even make it to the final 16 and round #1 last year also reflects decline in success and not advancement beyond the inherited team, which was the main reason for the GM change to alter playoff fortunes, in the first place.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Think you have me confused with some one else.

Nope, Zeke's description is pretty bang on.

 

[Dekes For Days]

In fact stats show the team has produced wins at a lower rate since the GM change.

That is blatantly false. You're being extremely misleading.

Lou (total): 39.3 win pace
Lou (core pieces): 44.5 win pace
Dubas (total): 46.3 win pace

And Lou's win record is massively inflated by shootouts, which have nothing to do with him, or the quality of the team.

Lou (total): 34.7 ROW pace
Lou (core pieces): 40.5 ROW pace
Dubas (total): 45.9 ROW pace

And this despite the fact that Lou had his core pieces at an ELC price, giving him tens of millions of additional space, that he wasted. And despite the fact that Lou emptied our prospect pool and didn't refill it. And despite the fact that we've had considerably more injuries under Dubas. And despite the fact that many of those wins for Lou came through a one-off Vezina-quality performance from our journeyman backup waiver claim after Lou's chosen backup bombed. And despite the fact that Dubas didn't have his coach for the first half of his time as GM...

Dubas (Keefe): 51.3 win pace
Dubas (Keefe): 51.3 ROW pace

Not to mention Dubas' involvement with the team before Lou got there, and his development of Marlies that shifted onto the big team for Lou.

I mean, we could keep going, but Dubas is better than Lou in pretty much every way possible, and that should be beyond obvious to anybody that's been paying attention.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Not as bad as some make him out to be. How tenure seems to be over exaggerated a bit in an attempt to pump up Dubas. Strange really, Dubas should be able to stand on his own.

He does stand on his own.

 

[4thline]

A: "Look at this accomplishment from Dubas"
B: "Eh, not that impressive, Lou left him in a good place"
A:"Actually, Lou inherited most of the same core pieces that Kyle did, and actually left him in a worse spot otherwise"
B:"WHY WON'T YOU LET KYLE'S RESULTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELF AND LEAVE LOU OUT OF IT"

 

[Spirit of 67]

Right!? Unreal how some absolutely refuse to give credit
Let's not forget PM

My first thought was, how long before someone poo poo's this.

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