Kyle Dubas becomes quickest Leafs GM to 100 Wins

[ShaneFalco]

First time reading this thread.

I just knew for an absolute fact that there'd be a certain someone in here completely contorting the statistical picture to make it into a Lou > Dubas thread. Imagine being so emotionally attached to a GM who left the team almost 3 years ago because you don't like the guy who replaced him.

Yup and to that poster, I say here:

 

[zeke]

If Dubas had taken over as GM when the prior GM did with a team finishing last overall such records as this would be unachievable and unattainable.

Back in 2015-16 the team was winning 29 games a season and not 49 games a season as generally GMs take over from fired GMs on struggling teams like the previous GM did.

When your team is drafting 5th (Rielly), 7th (Kadri), 8th (Nylander), 4th (Marner) or 1st (Matthews) there is no opportunity for your GM to establish this type of record, but it sure is stocking the cupborad and building the base upon which to build off of.

You need to be handed over the keys with all that suffering and struggling and high draft picks in tow, and the table set and then build up a successful team for Dubas to have achieved this new record.

Dubas was the interim GM when they were dumping Kessel and gutting the team, where WINS was not the #1 priority, and had Dubas day #1 began back then this record wouldn't have been possible.

Right place and right time inheriting a team that just recorded 49 wins and was #6th overall in the NHL standings with all that talented core accumulated over all those down years.

it's never too late for you to start trying to make honest arguments using straightforward evidence, Mess.

 

[IPS]

Yup and to that poster, I say here:

If there was one good move to make in hindsight it would have been firing Babcock before last year's season and giving Keefe the team for a full training camp.

 

[zeke]

Just let it be noted that BOTH Lou AND Kyle "inherited" Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Hyman, and Rielly.

Lou inherited them at a much, much cheaper price, though.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Tavares has looked terrible at times this year. Should we blame Dubas for signing him to an $11m cap hit ??

What a wild exaggeration. He's been unlucky at times this year, but far from "terrible". He's been a good signing for us.

 

[Leaftors]

What a wild exaggeration. He's been unlucky at times this year, but far from "terrible". He's been a good signing for us.

Tavares does a lot of things that people who really and truly understand the game see, so when he's not scoring it's easy to understand why people think he's not contributing. Even though, while he hasn't been scoring things he normally would he is still at .084/game pace.

 

[ToneDog]

What a wild exaggeration. He's been unlucky at times this year, but far from "terrible". He's been a good signing for us.

I was one of the biggest proponents of signing JT and I can honsestly and painfully say he was terrible at times this year. He was a giveaway machine for a week or so but seems to be turning it around. Even so, he is not close to producing at his contract level. I agree he has been a good signing for us so far but my point was if he regresses next year you cannot blame Dubas.

 

[JayfromNB1219]

Which is fine but you also can't categorize him as "inherited".

If someone was picked up with the ok of not Kyle Dubas then yes he is inherited whether Dubas had a hand in it or not lol

It’s all good though like I’ve been saying I like Dubas personally

 

[ToneDog]

Tavares does a lot of things that people who really and truly understand the game see, so when he's not scoring it's easy to understand why people think he's not contributing. Even though, while he hasn't been scoring things he normally would he is still at .084/game pace.

Yup he gives it 110% most nights and does all the little things right. Great character player as well and I am glad we signed him but truth be told, a 69 point season for him is disappointing.

 

[Menzinger]

Worth noting too, this is the first offseason/season where Dubas had his preferred coach in place, and no unwanted legacy contracts to figure out (though no proper preseason with Keefe yet)

Itll be more interesting next season too once Dubas drafted prospects start to become lineup regulars in greater numbers

 

[zeke]

Lou Inherited ----> Team Lou

1st Overall -----> Matthews
Marner --------> Marner
Nylander ------> Nylander

Kadri -----------> Kadri
Kessel ----------> Kapanen
Lupul ----------> Marleau

Bozak ----------> Bozak
VanRiemsdyk -> VanRiemsdyk
Hyman --------> Hyman

Winnik --------> Plekanec
Komarov ------> Komarov
Panik -----------> Moore

Brown ---------> Brown
Johnsson ------> Johnsson
Leivo -----------> Leivo
Verhaeghe -----> Grundstrom



Rielly ----------> Rielly
Gardiner ------> Gardiner

Phaneuf -------> Zaitsev
Hunwick ------> Hainsey

Polak -----------> Polak
Dermott --------> Dermott

Robidas ---------> Carrick
Harrington ----> Liljegren
Marincin -------> Marincin


Bernier ---------> Andersen
Reimer ---------> McElhinney
Sparks ----------> Sparks



lmao. what did Lou even do here for 3 years?

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Lou Inherited ----> Team Lou

1st Overall -----> Matthews
Marner --------> Marner
Nylander ------> Nylander

Kadri -----------> Kadri
Kessel ----------> Kapanen
Lupul ----------> Marleau

Bozak ----------> Bozak
VanRiemsdyk -> VanRiemsdyk
Hyman --------> Hyman

Winnik --------> Plekanec
Komarov ------> Komarov
Panik -----------> Moore

Brown ---------> Brown
Johnsson ------> Johnsson
Leivo -----------> Leivo
Verhaeghe -----> Grundstrom



Rielly ----------> Rielly
Gardiner ------> Gardiner

Phaneuf -------> Zaitsev
Hunwick ------> Hainsey

Polak -----------> Polak
Dermott --------> Dermott

Robidas ---------> Carrick
Harrington ----> Liljegren
Marincin -------> Marincin


Bernier ---------> Andersen
Reimer ---------> McElhinney
Sparks ----------> Sparks



lmao. what did Lou even do here for 3 years?

Are you counting Kapanen as a Lou move? I forgot to mention too but Kapanen was also in the organization before Lou arrived. Lamoriello came on board after the Kessel trade.

 

[ToneDog]

Lou Inherited ----> Team Lou

1st Overall -----> Matthews
Marner --------> Marner
Nylander ------> Nylander

Kadri -----------> Kadri
Kessel ----------> Kapanen
Lupul ----------> Marleau

Bozak ----------> Bozak
VanRiemsdyk -> VanRiemsdyk
Hyman --------> Hyman

Winnik --------> Plekanec
Komarov ------> Komarov
Panik -----------> Moore

Brown ---------> Brown
Johnsson ------> Johnsson
Leivo -----------> Leivo
Verhaeghe -----> Grundstrom



Rielly ----------> Rielly
Gardiner ------> Gardiner

Phaneuf -------> Zaitsev
Hunwick ------> Hainsey

Polak -----------> Polak
Dermott --------> Dermott

Robidas ---------> Carrick
Harrington ----> Liljegren
Marincin -------> Marincin


Bernier ---------> Andersen
Reimer ---------> McElhinney
Sparks ----------> Sparks



lmao. what did Lou even do here for 3 years?

Got us up to 105 points ??

Seriously, Dubas has done a nice job surrounding our core with what appears as a complimentary supporting cast but truth be told, this team is only going as far as Matthews and Marner take it. Yup Lou had them when they were making peanuts but Dubas now has them when they have the ability to take over a series on their own.

 

[zeke]

Are you counting Kapanen as a Lou move? I forgot to mention too but Kapanen was also in the organization before Lou arrived. Lamoriello came on board after the Kessel trade.

Crap you are right.

let me try again:

Lou Inherited ----> Team Lou

1st Overall -----> Matthews
Marner --------> Marner
Nylander ------> Nylander

Kadri -----------> Kadri
VanRiemsdyk -> VanRiemsdyk
Hyman --------> Hyman

Bozak ----------> Bozak
Lupul ----------> Marleau
Komarov ------> Komarov

Winnik --------> Plekanec
Panik -----------> Martin
Holland -------> Moore

Verhaeghe ----> Grundstrom
Brown ---------> Brown
Kapanen -------> Kapanen
Johnsson ------> Johnsson
Leivo -----------> Leivo


Rielly ----------> Rielly
Gardiner ------> Gardiner

Phaneuf -------> Zaitsev
Hunwick ------> Hainsey

Polak -----------> Polak
Dermott --------> Dermott

Robidas ---------> Carrick
Harrington ----> Borgman
Marincin -------> Marincin
PIT #1 ----------> Liljegren


Bernier ---------> Andersen
Reimer ---------> McElhinney
Sparks ----------> Sparks




lmao. what did Lou even do other than make sure the leaf sucked real bad in year 1 and then grab a decent goalie?

 

[Mess]

Got us up to 105 points ??

Seriously, Dubas has done a nice job surrounding our core with what appears as a complimentary supporting cast but truth be told, this team is only going as far as Matthews and Marner take it. Yup Lou had them when they were making peanuts but Dubas now has them when they have the ability to take over a series on their own.

Here Kyle;

Take this #1 franchise Center and one of the best players and goal scorers in the World in Matthews, whom I drafted for the Leafs organization by cleverly orchestrating a last overall finish at the expense of my own win/loss record. I've broken him in for you in his 1st X 2 years including a Calder and established 40 goal scorer about to now be entering his prime.

I was able to take a last place overall team, and in 2 years turn it into a franchise record breaking team establishing new 100 year franchise records in both 49 wins and 105 points in a season by a Leafs team all time. I'm pretty proud of that achievement.

See what you can do with that as your starting point.

Best Wishes
Uncle Lou

PS. In my spare time I was able to get our #1Dman Rielly and 30 goal C Kadri under new cap friendly contracts, acquire us a #1 starting goalie in Andersen that just set a new record for most wins in a single season mark by a Leafs goalie. I was also able to dump that albatross of a Dion Phaneuf 7 year X $7 mil contract for a 2nd round pick so you would be burdened with its massive cap hit for the next 5 years, and prevent you from say signing a prized UFA good Canadian boy that dreams of playing for his hometown Leafs like say Tavares.

 

[zeke]

So now the Lou defenders are down to one final defense of his wasted time here: that he was an expert tanker, even though his expert tank job needed a whole crapload of random luck to avoid having to settle for Laine or Puljujarvi.

 

[Randy Randerson]

So now the Lou defenders are down to one final defense of his wasted time here: that he was an expert tanker, even though his expert tank job needed a whole crapload of random luck to avoid having to settle for Laine or Puljujarvi.

I'm not generally a Lamoriello fan, but I think when you're starting from the place of having to burn it all down and rebuild you do have to find ways to tank, you also need luck in the draft lottery and in the strength of the drafts that you're high in. We definitely got that, I would also argue that Marner is a 1oa type talent in a lot of years and we got lucky that he happened to fall into the strongest draft class in a generation.

still though, have to start by helping your odds as much as possible by being allergic to points.

 

[zeke]

and the best part about Lou's "expert tankjob" is that he inherited the 4th worst team in the league that had already just traded away its best player for nothing......and Lou's team actually finished 1 point better than they had the year before, so it was actually a pretty shitty tankjob.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Here Kyle;

Take this #1 franchise Center and one of the best players and goal scorers in the World in Matthews, whom I drafted for the Leafs organization by cleverly orchestrating a last overall finish at the expense of my own win/loss record. I've broken him in for you in his 1st X 2 years including a Calder and established 40 goal scorer about to now be entering his prime. See what you can do with that.

Best Wishes
Uncle Lou

P.S. I also left you over 12 million dollars tied up in Marleau, Zaitsev, and Martin. I didn't leave you a single shutdown defenseman that can play top-4 minutes but to be fair I only had 2+ years to find one. There's no way someone can find 3 top-4 D in 2 years.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I can honsestly and painfully say he was terrible at times this year.

That's just blatantly false.

I agree he has been a good signing for us so far but my point was if he regresses next year you cannot blame Dubas.

Nobody is "blaming" Lou for getting Anderson. He was an upgrade on what we had at the time, and he had a couple good seasons. The issue is people using Anderson to discredit Dubas' accomplishments, even though he's pretty much the only meaningful piece Lou brought in, and he's struggled quite a bit under Dubas.

Got us up to 105 points ??

Except that had very little to do with Lou, we didn't reach that in a remotely sustainable way (the 2017-2018 team wasn't really any better than the 2016-2017 team), and that team was set to lose pieces to UFA. We've been a better team ever since then, through far more difficult circumstances.

Seriously, Dubas has done a nice job surrounding our core with what appears as a complimentary supporting cast

Dubas has added a lot more than just a "complimentary supporting cast".

Yup Lou had them when they were making peanuts but Dubas now has them when they have the ability to take over a series on their own.

They were some of the best young players in the entire cap era. Impact relative to cost would have been higher in ELC years, even with their individual improvements since.

 

[zeke]

Team Lou vs Team Kyle

Marleau-Plekanec-Martin ------- Thornton-Tavares-Spezza
Grundstrom-Moore-Brooks ----- Mikheyev-Kerfoot-Simmonds
------------------------------------- Vesey-Boyd-Barabanov
------------------------------------- Robertson-Amirov-Andersen

Hainsey-Zaitsev ------------------- Muzzin-Brodie
Borgman-Carrick ----------------- Lehtonen-Bogosian
Liljegren --------------------------- Sandin

Andersen -------------------------- Campbell
McElhinney ----------------------- Hutchinson

 

[ACC1224]

He does stand on his own.

Exactly yet some feel the need to constantly prop him up.

 

[ACC1224]

A: "Look at this accomplishment from Dubas"
B: "Eh, not that impressive, Lou left him in a good place"
A:"Actually, Lou inherited most of the same core pieces that Kyle did, and actually left him in a worse spot otherwise"
B:"WHY WON'T YOU LET KYLE'S RESULTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELF AND LEAVE LOU OUT OF IT"

Exactly

 

[4thline]

Exactly yet some feel the need to constantly prop him up.

You are the one that introduced Lou to this thread, by feeling the need to take away from an accomplishment in *checks notes* post 2 of the thread.

If you're going to get touchy about Lou's work getting critiqued, a prime thought would be to not bring him up.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Exactly yet some feel the need to constantly prop him up.

Countering your false claims attempting to discredit Dubas' accomplishments isn't "propping him up". You are literally the one who brought Lou into this, in the very first response to this thread.

Exactly

I think you missed the point.