Kyle Dubas becomes quickest Leafs GM to 100 Wins

[Steve]

To be fair not many GMs start a job when the teams future is set and they are on the upswing

 

[ShaneFalco]

To be fair not many GMs start a job when the teams future is set and they are on the upswing

Lol

 

[Judas Tavares]

This emoji has glasses. This emoji bad.

 

[ACC1224]

To be fair not many GMs start a job when the teams future is set and they are on the upswing

Being fair isn’t welcome. Follow the herd to the altar and you’ll be forgiven.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Being fair isn’t welcome.

Being fair is fine. Making up false claims to discredit an accomplishment in the first reply, and then blaming others for the thing you brought up being discussed, once you were proven to be completely wrong - not so much.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Being fair isn’t welcome. Follow the herd to the altar and you’ll be forgiven.

Right - because you've been "fair" all along. You just don't like being called it for it and proven wrong

 

[ACC1224]

Right - because you've been "fair" all along. You just don't like being called it for it and proven wrong

I’ve only ever been fair, you must have me confused with someone else.

 

[ToneDog]

To be fair not many GMs start a job when the teams future is set and they are on the upswing

GMs are usually fired for a reason. The team is not going well (see Botteril, Chia, Snow etc.). In the Leafs case, Lou was not fired because the team was not performing, he was simply not rehired and Kyle jumped into his shoes. Anybody who says Kyle did not get a fair handshake when he took over the team is simply in denial.

 

[ACC1224]

GMs are usually fired for a reason. The team is not going well (see Botteril, Chia, Snow etc.). In the Leafs case, Lou was not fired because the team was not performing, he was simply not rehired and Kyle jumped into his shoes. Anybody who says Kyle did not get a fair handshake when he took over the team is simply in denial.

That seems to be a fair assessment

 

[BLONG7]

The Great Marc Bergevin has set the table a few times. Got drunk, pissed himself and passed out at the table a few times too.

Dubas has done a remarkable job thus far.

Amazing in the playoff too!!

 

[ToneDog]

Amazing in the playoff too!!

Playoffs, playoffs? When was the last time the Leafs finished 1st overall. IIRC that streak is longer than their SC drought streak.

 

[Dekes For Days]

GMs are usually fired for a reason. The team is not going well (see Botteril, Chia, Snow etc.). In the Leafs case, Lou was not fired because the team was not performing, he was simply not rehired and Kyle jumped into his shoes. Anybody who says Kyle did not get a fair handshake when he took over the team is simply in denial.

GMs are replaced for all sorts of reasons, and countless past GMs have taken over good situations. In the Leaf's case, they had a couple good pieces (like any team), but Dubas did not take over a uniquely favourable situation, and a ton of problems remained. A ton of players needing new contracts, including all of their star players, who were not treated well. A toxic coach that could not be fired, that misused the roster. Multiple anchor contracts, and a 5.3m LTIR contract. A horrible defense that Lou did nothing to fix for years. An offense set to decline from multiple top-9 losses to UFA. A starter that was about to decline substantially. A depleted prospect pool.

Not to mention a global pandemic stagnating the cap after all of the big signings, and all of the injuries that Dubas has had to navigate through.

And on top of all that, unrealistic expectations spread among the uninformed, based on an abnormally inflated and unsustainable point total that did not properly represent where the team was at, even prior to losing pieces.

The overwhelming majority of the roster now is Dubas', and that doesn't even include the ones he had to sign. This is supposed to be a thread celebrating Dubas' accomplishment - an accomplishment that benefits our Leafs, and all some people can do is grumpily make false claims in attempts to discredit it, because of how wrong they personally were about everything. Anybody that says the "table was set" has no idea what they're talking about.

 

[Mess]

#1OA pick & franchise centre Auston Matthews one of the best goal scorers in the World scored 102 goals (more than any NHL player during this span) during Dubas 100 win record.

#4OA pick Mitch Marner recorded nearly 200 points (195) (as a top 10 points leader in NHL) during this 176 span.

#8OA pick William Nylander recorded 48 goals and 106 points in 145 games.

#5OA pick and #1Dman Morgan Rielly recorded 26 goals & 118 points total including a 20 goal 72 points Norris like season.

#1G Freddy Andersen recorded 77 of those 100 wins in his 130 starts during this 176 game span.

** All of this individual inherited player production contributed as part of a 2018-19 (46 wins in 82 games) & 2019-20 (36 wins in 70 games) and 2020-21 (18 wins in 24 games) = 100 wins in 176 games post GM change and Leafs achievement.

That's a hell of a lot of high-end draft capital and prodution and so maybe this is a shared achievement and accomplishment!!!!.

 

[ToneDog]

GMs are replaced for all sorts of reasons, and countless past GMs have taken over good situations. In the Leaf's case, they had a couple good pieces (like any team), but Dubas did not take over a uniquely favourable situation, and a ton of problems remained. A ton of players needing new contracts, including all of their star players, who were not treated well. A toxic coach that could not be fired, that misused the roster. Multiple anchor contracts, and a 5.3m LTIR contract. A horrible defense that Lou did nothing to fix for years. An offense set to decline from multiple top-9 losses to UFA. A starter that was about to decline substantially. A depleted prospect pool.

Not to mention a global pandemic stagnating the cap after all of the big signings, and all of the injuries that Dubas has had to navigate through.

And on top of all that, unrealistic expectations spread among the uninformed, based on an abnormally inflated and unsustainable point total that did not properly represent where the team was at, even prior to losing pieces.

The overwhelming majority of the roster now is Dubas', and that doesn't even include the ones he had to sign. This is supposed to be a thread celebrating Dubas' accomplishment - an accomplishment that benefits our Leafs, and all some people can do is grumpily make false claims in attempts to discredit it, because of how wrong they personally were about everything. Anybody that says the "table was set" has no idea what they're talking about.

I am only talking about when Dubas took over and I am not talking about Dubas' performance. There are not too many "perfect" positions to take over but the Leafs GM job was no where near the worst. Just look at Buffalo, Edmonton, NYI, NYR, Minny, Pens (please do not tell me Hextall has it better than Dubas did because he has Crosby and Malkin), Carolina, Arizona, Detroit etc.

Dubas did not take over a sinking ship. He took on a ship that had a little rust and may have needed some fresh paint, but the engine was in good shape.

 

[Dekes For Days]

** All of this individual inherited player production contributed

As has already been explained to you multiple times, Marner was not inherited. Also, he had to sign Matthews and Nylander, and part of their increased raw production is a result of Dubas' chosen coach, who had this crazy idea to use them properly. Andersen's "contributions" are also pretty questionable for much of that. You consistently ignore the massive changes Dubas has made, especially to our defense - which is ironic because you are constantly exaggerating how important defense is in every other discussion.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Just look at Buffalo, Edmonton, NYI, NYR, Minny, Pens (please do not tell me Hextall has it better than Dubas did because he has Crosby and Malkin), Carolina, Arizona, Detroit etc.

Yes, I'm looking at them, and I see some great pieces, wasted largely by bad management. Thank god we have a great GM in Dubas.

Dubas did not take over a sinking ship.

He did not take over a sinking ship (few do), but he took over a ship that had a hell of a lot of holes in it. More than many are willing to admit, and it was slowly filling with water before Dubas took over.

 

[DueDiligence]

In the Leaf's case, they had a couple good pieces (like any team), but Dubas did not take over a uniquely favourable situation, and a ton of problems remained.

Once again the Dubas propaganda machine is out in full force! So Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Hyman, Rielly, Kadri, Kapanen, Johnnson, Andersen were a "couple of good pieces" just like any team?????

 

[ToneDog]

Once again the Dubas propaganda machine is out in full force! So Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Hyman, Rielly, Kadri, Kapanen, Johnnson, Andersen were a "couple of good pieces" just like any team?????

Ton of problems = the Marleau and Zaitsev contracts and Lou not having given Mitch ELC bonuses. Oh, and let's not forget the no facial hair policy.

 

[Garthinater]

Yes, I'm looking at them, and I see some great pieces, wasted largely by bad management. Thank god we have a great GM in Dubas.

He did not take over a sinking ship (few do), but he took over a ship that had a hell of a lot of holes in it. More than many are willing to admit, and it was slowly filling with water before Dubas took over.

This has to be one of your most hilarious posts.

"...filling up with water.."?

Lou inherited a 68 point team.

The next year we finished last with 69 (1 point increase).

Following season 95 points and the next a franchise record of 105.

Where exactly was this water you speak of? Not a single season of regression after taking over a stumbling team.

With our new gm:

100 point first season (lost 5 points).

2nd season on pace for 95 points (lost another 5 points)

I think we may have found the water after all rofl

Dubas literally inherited a top 7 team with 2 of the most talented young players in the game who have only gotten better. And yet it has taken until year 3 while playing in a weak north division to finally see some positive results under his leadership.

 

[ottomaddox]

I don't know how true it is or even how important the whole facial hair thing is.

If there was a strict facial hair policy, then there's a few key players who ignored it.

 

[zeke]

This has to be one of your most hilarious posts.

"...filling up with water.."?

Lou inherited a 68 point team.

The next year we finished last with 69 (1 point increase).

Following season 95 points and the next a franchise record of 105.

Where exactly was this water you speak of? Not a single season of regression after taking over a stumbling team.

With our new gm:

100 point first season (lost 5 points).

2nd season on pace for 95 points (lost another 5 points)

I think we may have found the water after all rofl

Dubas literally inherited a top 7 team with 2 of the most talented young players in the game who have only gotten better. And yet it has taken until year 3 while playing in a weak north division to finally see some positive results under his leadership.

Lou inherited the best core of elite ELC talent in hockey and pathetically squandered it with horrific signing after horrific signing.

 

[zeke]

All Kyle has to do now is jettison the last vestige of Lou's reign of terror by dumping Freddy Andersen, and then this team will really be able to take off.

 

[ToneDog]

Lou inherited the best core of elite ELC talent in hockey and pathetically squandered it with horrific signing after horrific signing.

Looked at the standings this morning and was shocked to see that Lou has that lousy Isles team he took over in 1st place in the best division in hockey.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Alright we're beating a dead horse here in this GM discussion.

Closed.