Kyle Dubas becomes quickest Leafs GM to 100 Wins

[Leaf Fans]

He took over a team that had just set a franchise record in points. Name another gm that has done that ever.

He is looking really good right now though.

Brisbrois

 

[al secord]

Matt Martin, Leo Komarov, Patrick Marleau, Nikita Zaitsev, Connor Brown were totally critical for our success!!1

Worst. Table. Setting. Ever.

 

[18leafsfan18]

Lou was in a similar position in 2016 and failed to bring him Stamkos. I resent the notion that Tavares signing here was a foregone conclusion, especially when the popular opinion at the time was he’d re-sign with NYI.

Could almost guarantee if Lou was here when it happened, it would have been "That signing is completely because of Lou".

Some people will never give Dubas credit and it's nuts.

 

[7even]

since joining the leafs as GM (not AGM), he traded/let go the following players:

JVR
Bozak
Komarov
Martin
Johnsson
Kapanen
Kadri
Ceci*
Barrie*
Leivo
Gardiner
Brown
Zaitsev
Ennis
Hainsey
Marleau
Sparks

Wow, and I don't miss a single one of those guys. Well done to him.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Brisbrois

Stan Bowman too IIRC, and Rutherford took over a good Pens team in 2014

 

[Leaf Fans]

Stan Bowman too IIRC, and Rutherford took over a good Pens team in 2014

Sweeney as well.

 

[Spargon]

Right!? Unreal how some absolutely refuse to give credit
Let's not forget PM

And just ignore he was assistant GM since 2014 and helped build the Marlies to a championship many of which graduated to the Leafs. No no no this young upstart just walked in off the street to a 100 pt team....

 

[DueDiligence]

Rielly - Hainsey
Gardiner - Zaitsev
Dermott - Polak

“table set”

Matthews, Marner and Nylander were already there on entry level deals. "Table wasn't bare".

 

[Throw More Waffles]

The teams great this year and I liked Dubas's offseason moves... so I don't exactly want to minimalize it... but...

In regards to this statistic, the vast majority of the time a gm is replaced is because the team is a tire fire.

I'd like to see a statistic for "Quickest to 100 wins for gm's that just inherited the team that set the franchise record in points."

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Ehhh surprising number of new GM's come into the fold on competitive teams to put them over the top.

BriseBois last year with Tampa Bay
Brian MacLellan in Washington
Jim Rutherford in Pittsburgh
Stan Bowman in Chicago
Burke in Anaheim

And that's just in the last 15 years

Like Dubas with this team (almost entirely his), people seem to forget Burke assembled his entire d-corps and traded 5 of his top 6 forwards in a year and a half.

Best examples would be Chiarelli in Boston (all the core in place), Shero in Pittsburgh (all the core in place) and top is Bowman (literally every single player on his Cup team already in the organization).

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Usually when a GM takes over a rebuild follows and isn't handed the keys to a winning team. That said hes done an excellent job building towards the current team.

As in its almost entirely his with very little from the previous regime on it.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Ehhh surprising number of new GM's come into the fold on competitive teams to put them over the top.

BriseBois last year with Tampa Bay
Brian MacLellan in Washington
Jim Rutherford in Pittsburgh
Stan Bowman in Chicago
Burke in Anaheim

And that's just in the last 15 years

How long did it take those gm's to get 100 wins with their new teams?

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Agreed, very few teams change their GMs coming off a record setting 105 point & 100 year franchise best mark for wins and points in a season.

The Leafs were coming off of 40 & 49 win seasons or [89 win total] in 164 games (2 seasons prior) and now Dubas has recorded +11 win improvement in his first 176 games [in +14 extra games]

If however you compare past and present GMs to the same 164 game mark matching games played and apples to apples.

Lou Lam 89 wins in his last 164 games (2016-17 & 2017-18)
&
Dubas in his first/next 164 games 2018-19 (82 games & 46 wins) + 2019-20 (70 games & 36 wins) + (1st 12 X games of 2020-21 & 9 wins) = 91 wins in 164 games.

The Leafs saw a marginal +2 win improvement in the 164 games prior to the GM change, compared to the post GM change.

This is what you would expect at minimum where the table is already been set and handing over a 100+ point team.

PS. 1 X GM inherited a last over place overall team with 29 wins, and the other inherited a franchise best mark team with 49 wins as their starting points.

The 105 point team you speak of was almost entirely inherited from the previous regime. Check out the roster.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Matthews, Marner and Nylander were already there on entry level deals. "Table wasn't bare".

He had Matthews and Marner on an ELC for one year. Not Nylander.

Lou had all three on ELC's the entire time and completely wasted it on overpaid veterans.

 

[DopeyFish]

Worst. Table. Setting. Ever.

i'm sure dubas left a bad yelp review the second he got here

 

[Morgs]

Imagine how much faster this would have been if he fired Babcock the day he took over.

 

[sxvnert]

Kyles willingness to change his stance on vet+toughness starting with the Muzzin trade set him on the current path to success. Anthopoulos spoke about going through a similar mindset change after the Reyes blockbuster.

His willingness to change his roster construction blueprint in such a short time frame has to be commended. Not easy for a know it all type to swallow his pride on such a large stage.

 

[Morgs]

He had Matthews and Marner on an ELC for one year. Not Nylander.

Lou had all three on ELC's the entire time and completely wasted it on overpaid veterans.

Its like people pretend he wasn't the #2 in the organization from 2016-2017 when we drafted Matthews and arguably #1 when drafting Marner/Dermott.

Just because he took over with those players doesn't mean he didn't have a major say in acquiring them.

 

[Morgs]

Kyles willingness to change his stance on vet+toughness starting with the Muzzin trade set him on the current path to success. Anthopoulos spoke about going through a similar mindset change after the Reyes blockbuster.

His willingness to change his roster construction blueprint in such a short time frame has to be commended. Not easy for a know it all type to swallow his pride on such a large stage.

Look at his Soo and Marlies teams. He has never had an issue with vets and tough guys. He just has a problem with guys that aren't good hockey players and ONLY bring those qualities.

 

[BertCorbeau]

How long did it take those gm's to get 100 wins with their new teams?

If I'm eyeballing it quickly,

Rutherford was 9 games into his third season as the Pens GM
BriseBois hasn't gotten there yet
MacLellan got it in towards the end of his second season as Caps GM
Burke was also 9 games into his third season as the Ducks GM
Bowman was 4 games into his third season as Blackhawks GM

 

[sxvnert]

Imagine how much faster this would have been if he fired Babcock the day he took over.

He couldnt. He needed the entire fan base to beg him for it otherwise the myth of Babcock the genius coach would have clouded over Dubas and Keefe after every loss. He timed it perfectly.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Kyles willingness to change his stance on vet+toughness starting with the Muzzin trade set him on the current path to success. Anthopoulos spoke about going through a similar mindset change after the Reyes blockbuster.

His willingness to change his roster construction blueprint in such a short time frame has to be commended. Not easy for a know it all type to swallow his pride on such a large stage.

627 days was too long of a wait for you? You do understand that things become available when they become available and you also need time to evaluate? Additionally, you need to fill your money roles first and then depth after to properly manage your money. You don't do like Lou and overpay for vet or role players (which are wisely acquired through FA...not wasting assets). We know he had Brodie lined up earlier. He apparently had other deals lined up that the coach was going to bench people. We all know about Holl.

 

[sxvnert]

Look at his Soo and Marlies teams. He has never had an issue with vets and tough guys. He just has a problem with guys that aren't good hockey players and ONLY bring those qualities.

He could have balanced the acquisitions a bit more by acquiring some of the tougher components earlier. It could have made a world of difference during those Bruins series. Again shit happens. Hes also learning on the job (surprisingly quick I might add). I wasn't a fan of Dubas until this offseason. The moves to correct previous mistakes + the additions = best off season of any GM. We're now seeing those glorious results.

I'm expecting an all in deadline approach that will shock the hockey world. Book it.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

He could have balanced the acquisitions a bit more by acquiring some of the tougher components earlier. It could have made a world of difference during those Bruins series. Again shit happens. Hes also learning on the job (surprisingly quick I might add). I wasn't a fan of Dubas until this offseason. The moves to correct previous mistakes + the additions = best off season of any GM. We're now seeing those glorious results.

I'm expecting an all in deadline approach that will shock the hockey world. Book it.

If he did he probably would have had to pay more to get them (like Lou did with Marleau). He now has somewhere people want to be a part of and very limited dollars to spend, so if you really want to come, you are coming for minimums while the dollars are going to the core. The right way to manage IMO.

 

[Gallagbi]

If I'm eyeballing it quickly,

Rutherford was 9 games into his third season as the Pens GM
BriseBois hasn't gotten there yet
MacLellan got it in towards the end of his second season as Caps GM
Burke was also 9 games into his third season as the Ducks GM
Bowman was 4 games into his third season as Blackhawks GM

I didn't do a deep dive, but I'm pretty sure BriseBois took over before their Presidents Trophy season, so he'd be there