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Johnny Utah said:
If I was the Kings I would move two D. Forbort, what’s the point. Haven’t noticed him at all and was a healthy scratch. Fattenberg, LaDue and Walker are all interchangeable. Brickley and Clague are in the wings.

I think the top 6 D needs a total revamp. Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez are the big 3. Phaneuf is not movable and actually would rather have him than Forbort.
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You are not going to get much for Forbort. Muzzin is the d-man I think could net LA the best return and is who I would be putting on the market. I would not want a first but put priority to a sure fire prospect who is a year or 2 away. In this timframe Drew, Kopitar and Quick (hopefully) will still be very productive.

Teams that could be looking to do that kind of deal are teams looking to make a push for the cup this year or next, or teams that have not made the playoffs in a while and feel this is their year to get in
 
King'sPawn said:
Do you trust Toffoli to contribute top 6 numbers regularly?

Kempe?

Pearson?
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Yes, because despite the popular memes around here, 20 goals/40 points is a solid floor for complementary top-six production, even disregarding the "shitty Kings offense" tax, and that's going with Toffoli's worst season rather than his best or average.

I think the jury is still out on Kempe obviously but I like his odds of being at least a 50 point guy.

Do I wish they could be better? Absolutely. But I'm also not as eager to totally drain them as non-top-six-forwards just to fulfill an arbitrary "kings suck at drafting" meme.

Edit: For perspective, the Tampa Bay lightning were far and away--by 19 goals over Winnipeg--the best offense in the league last year. After Kucherov (100) and Stamkos (86), their next forwards were Point (66), Gourde (64), Johnson (50), Killorn (47). Then 44, 35....

Tyler Toffoli's WORST full season is as a 2nd liner for the best offense in the league.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Just to change the tone.

So many different names in this video.

4 years is an eternity in hockey.

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We complained about guys like Stoll, and all his missed shots from the PP, but then you miss him. Same stupid offensive zone penalties as Kempe, but you miss him.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
Yes, because despite the popular memes around here, 20 goals/40 points is a solid floor for complementary top-six production, even disregarding the "****ty Kings offense" tax, and that's going with Toffoli's worst season rather than his best or average.

I think the jury is still out on Kempe obviously but I like his odds of being at least a 50 point guy.

Do I wish they could be better? Absolutely. But I'm also not as eager to totally drain them as non-top-six-forwards just to fulfill an arbitrary "kings suck at drafting" meme.

Edit: For perspective, the Tampa Bay lightning were far and away--by 19 goals over Winnipeg--the best offense in the league last year. After Kucherov (100) and Stamkos (86), their next forwards were Point (66), Gourde (64), Johnson (50), Killorn (47). Then 44, 35....

Tyler Toffoli's WORST full season is as a 2nd liner for the best offense in the league.
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Please understand I said the issue is with drafting or development, because if the best we can get from 2010 and 2016 is Toffoli, Pearson, and Kempe, then there are valid questions on what is the organization doing. In the same time, the Kings have developed/gave extra hope to:

Jones (starting in the NHL)
Campbell (salvaged him into an NHL backup after he was an ECHL healthy scratch)
Bernier (was still developing with the Kings, then he got worse after he left the organization)
Ben Scrivens (was a solid backup and then fell off the face of the earth joining Edmonton)
Jhonas Enroth (put up respectable numbers on the Kings then fell off the face of the earth with Toronto/Europe)
Peter Budaj (Actually was a starter on the Kings, was cannon fodder in TB, and then is being resuscitated again)

The only two players in the same time which have shown no hope in the NHL even with the Kings are:
Jeff Zatkoff
Erik Ersberg

I'm not saying the Kings need to develop 5 or 6 top six forwards, but if we are considering Toffoli and Iafallo as top six forwards developed in a six year span, that's not enough. It would take 18 years for the organization to say they have fully developed their own top six.

I think the problem is we're not establishing a metric of what is considered acceptable as far as drafting, development. I have HOPES for Amadio, Wagner, JAD, Vilardi, etc. But I am unsure of the organization's capacity to truly develop a top line talent.
 
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King'sPawn said:
Please understand I said the issue is with drafting or development, because if the best we can get from 2010 and 2016 is Toffoli, Pearson, and Kempe, then there are valid questions on what is the organization doing. In the same time, the Kings have developed/gave extra hope to:

Jones (starting in the NHL)
Campbell (salvaged him into an NHL backup after he was an ECHL healthy scratch)
Bernier (was still developing with the Kings, then he got worse after he left the organization)
Ben Scrivens (was a solid backup and then fell off the face of the earth joining Edmonton)
Jhonas Enroth (put up respectable numbers on the Kings then fell off the face of the earth with Toronto/Europe)
Peter Budaj (Actually was a starter on the Kings, was cannon fodder in TB, and then is being resuscitated again)

The only two players in the same time which have shown no hope in the NHL even with the Kings are:
Jeff Zatkoff
Erik Ersberg

I'm not saying the Kings need to develop 5 or 6 top six forwards, but if we are considering Toffoli and Iafallo as top six forwards developed in a six year span, that's not enough. It would take 18 years for the organization to say they have fully developed their own top six.

I think the problem is we're not establishing a metric of what is considered acceptable as far as drafting, development. I have HOPES for Amadio, Wagner, JAD, Vilardi, etc. But I am unsure of the organization's capacity to truly develop a top line talent.
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But you are complaining of a drafting issue, not a development issue, you realize that right?
 
What troubles me is that Robitaille said that the Kings have another 3 to 4 years window contending for the Cup [MOD]
 
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King'sPawn said:
Please understand I said the issue is with drafting or development, because if the best we can get from 2010 and 2016 is Toffoli, Pearson, and Kempe, then there are valid questions on what is the organization doing. In the same time, the Kings have developed/gave extra hope to:

Jones (starting in the NHL)
Campbell (salvaged him into an NHL backup after he was an ECHL healthy scratch)
Bernier (was still developing with the Kings, then he got worse after he left the organization)
Ben Scrivens (was a solid backup and then fell off the face of the earth joining Edmonton)
Jhonas Enroth (put up respectable numbers on the Kings then fell off the face of the earth with Toronto/Europe)
Peter Budaj (Actually was a starter on the Kings, was cannon fodder in TB, and then is being resuscitated again)

The only two players in the same time which have shown no hope in the NHL even with the Kings are:
Jeff Zatkoff
Erik Ersberg

I'm not saying the Kings need to develop 5 or 6 top six forwards, but if we are considering Toffoli and Iafallo as top six forwards developed in a six year span, that's not enough. It would take 18 years for the organization to say they have fully developed their own top six.

I think the problem is we're not establishing a metric of what is considered acceptable as far as drafting, development. I have HOPES for Amadio, Wagner, JAD, Vilardi, etc. But I am unsure of the organization's capacity to truly develop a top line talent.
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Erik Ersberg played well for us during a very dark time.
 
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Peter James Bond II said:
Iafallo just keeps getting better. He had quite an adjustment last year from college 50 games to NHL (huge step with no minor league for him) and 82 games. I recall he needed a game
or 2 off during last year...plus he's pretty small.

I hope the coaches redo the lines. Kovalchuk playing line 3 with Kempe and Lewis? Idiotic. Kempe and Pearson need to start producing.
Amadio needs to be playing in top 9. Put Lewis back down to line 4. The 70's line no longer works. All of them are not great at creating offense. Good to see Carter with a little more jump and a few better games of late, but he's not the Carter of 2012-16. It is what it is, but he can still play. Give Pearson a few more games...if he does nothing, sit him and put Luff back in. I would like to see this:

IAFALLO KOPITAR BROWN
KOVALCHUK CARTER TOFFOLI
PEARSON AMADIO KEMPE
CLIFFORD THOMPSON LEWIS

PHANEUF DOUGHTY
MUZZIN LADUE
FANTENBERG MARTINEZ

FORBORT
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This is exactly the lineup I would trot out. Maybe Wagner in for Pearson every couple of games, but this is just right.
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
But you are complaining of a drafting issue, not a development issue, you realize that right?
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I guess they don’t know how to develop forwards. What internally developer players can you pinpoint on this team right now?

Iafallo is an anomaly jumping straight from college to the pros and was already developed player, a credit to Blake for getting him.

These concerns about the lack of depth is twofold and a concern for many years. You do realize this team doesn’t have much depth, right? Why do you think a winger is forced to play center, or why Kopitar and Doughty have to play half a game in the early stages of the season?
 
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