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Kingsfan1 said:
Lmao I’m officially over being excited for Vilardi. He’s definitely a bust and won’t play more than 100 games in his career . Unfortunately that is going to set us back even more
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As am I at this point. I was extremly hyped, but this dudes 19 and rarely healthy. What a set back for the franchise.
 
Is Bob reporting new news, or is that last month's news and he's just rehashing it as it related to the WJC?



King'sPawn said:
Please understand I said the issue is with drafting or development, because if the best we can get from 2010 and 2016 is Toffoli, Pearson, and Kempe, then there are valid questions on what is the organization doing. In the same time, the Kings have developed/gave extra hope to:

Jones (starting in the NHL)
Campbell (salvaged him into an NHL backup after he was an ECHL healthy scratch)
Bernier (was still developing with the Kings, then he got worse after he left the organization)
Ben Scrivens (was a solid backup and then fell off the face of the earth joining Edmonton)
Jhonas Enroth (put up respectable numbers on the Kings then fell off the face of the earth with Toronto/Europe)
Peter Budaj (Actually was a starter on the Kings, was cannon fodder in TB, and then is being resuscitated again)

The only two players in the same time which have shown no hope in the NHL even with the Kings are:
Jeff Zatkoff
Erik Ersberg

I'm not saying the Kings need to develop 5 or 6 top six forwards, but if we are considering Toffoli and Iafallo as top six forwards developed in a six year span, that's not enough. It would take 18 years for the organization to say they have fully developed their own top six.

I think the problem is we're not establishing a metric of what is considered acceptable as far as drafting, development. I have HOPES for Amadio, Wagner, JAD, Vilardi, etc. But I am unsure of the organization's capacity to truly develop a top line talent.
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I mean, I think we're all on roughly the same page, and maybe it's just semantics. No, that's certainly "not enough," but I also have a hard time qualifying it as "unacceptable" given the drafting team in those years was working with low or no picks. Between 2010 and 2016, we had exactly 3 first round picks at 15, 29, and 30, and each guy is a contributing player in Forbort, Pearson, Kempe.

-4 of the 5 2010 picks are NHLers--Forbort, Toffoli, Weal, Gravel in the 1,2,3,5 rounds. Only one to not cut it is Kitsyn in the 6th.

-2011 was mostly trash unfortunately, not gonna defend that one.

-2012 We only had Pearson, because we had no 2nd or 3rd--and still got NHLers in Colin Miller (5th) and Paul Ladue (7th). We turned another 7th round pick into our current goalie. And the enigma Porkins from the 4th.

-2013 we had no first, but landed a current NHLer in Zykov in 2. No 3rd rounder either. Fasching (4th) became McNabb. Bartosak (5th) became an asshole. Brodzinski (5th) is sorta TBD but that's a good pick. Kubalik was the 7th and I don't care much for him but there are some here that will fight you to the death over his potential.

-2014 we nailed Kempe. I didn't like McKeown but others do. Jury is out on Lintuniemi (2nd) but clock is ticking. Amadio in the 3rd is starting to pay off. The rest...meh.

-2015 again we had no first. We had Cernak (2nd). Dergachyov in the 3rd I really really liked but Russia is causing issues there. And of course Wagner in the 4th is a good pick.

-2016 we only had 4 picks and no first. Clague I'm not as high on as others but that's a good 2nd round pick. No 3rd, and Moverare in the 4th (jury out). Eyssimont is a good 5th. Forget where Jacob Friend is now (7th).

-Then of course you have 2017--jury is still out but Vilardi, JAD, Villalta, Anderson, Phillips, Hults, Rymsha all looking pretty good.


So again, to me, it's less a 'bad drafting' problem to indict scouting and development and more a problem of no high picks with which to take true impact players. Again, could do better? Sure. "Unacceptable?" I have a hard time signing off on that given it looks like the last two drafts are nails and are widely getting applause. I know Ziggy's big concern is we aren't landing "impact" players--which is vague enough to have plausible deniability I suppose--but there aren't a lot of home runs to hit from pick 90 on...and that's a LOT of NHLers considering those middling picks.



kingsofLA said:
That would be awesome to do after they lose every regular season game
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KINGS17 said:
Now this is what I want to see the entire team doing on home ice after a loss.
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Raccoon Jesus said:
Is Bob reporting new news, or is that last month's news and he's just rehashing it as it related to the WJC?






I mean, I think we're all on roughly the same page, and maybe it's just semantics. No, that's certainly "not enough," but I also have a hard time qualifying it as "unacceptable" given the drafting team in those years was working with low or no picks. Between 2010 and 2016, we had exactly 3 first round picks at 15, 29, and 30, and each guy is a contributing player in Forbort, Pearson, Kempe.

4 of the 5 2010 picks are NHLers--Forbort, Toffoli, Weal, Gravel in the 1,2,3,5 rounds. Only one to not cut it is Kitsyn in the 6th.

2011 was mostly trash unfortunately, not gonna defend that one.

2012 We only had Pearson, because we had no 2nd or 3rd--and still got NHLers in Colin Miller (5th) and Paul Ladue (7th). We turned another 7th round pick into our current goalie. And the enigma Porkins from the 4th.

2013 we had no first, but landed a current NHLer in Zykov in 2. No 3rd rounder either. Fasching (4th) became McNabb. Bartosak (5th) became an *******. Brodzinski (5th) is sorta TBD but that's a good pick. Kubalik was the 7th and I don't care much for him but there are some here that will fight you to the death over his potential.

2014 we nailed Kempe. I didn't like McKeown but others do. Jury is out on Lintuniemi (2nd) but clock is ticking. Amadio in the 3rd is starting to pay off. The rest...meh.

2015 again we had no first. We had Cernak (2nd). Dergachyov in the 3rd I really really liked but Russia is causing issues there. And of course Wagner in the 4th is a good pick.

2016 we only had 4 picks and no first. Clague I'm not as high on as others but that's a good 2nd round pick. No 3rd, and Moverare in the 4th (jury out). Eyssimont is a good 5th. Forget where Jacob Friend is now (7th).

Then of course you have 2017--jury is still out but Vilardi, JAD, Villalta, Anderson, Phillips, Hults, Rymsha all looking pretty good.


So again, to me, it's less a 'bad drafting' problem to indict scouting and development and more a problem of no high picks with which to take true impact players. Again, could do better? Sure. "Unacceptable?" I have a hard time signing off on that given it looks like the last two drafts are nails and are widely getting applause.








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Basically what I wanted to do, but got tied up with work and pissing off people there, I think Cernak will end up playing with Tampa next year, he's in their system, they are gonna need cheap dman, so if he's good, he will play, and that's another plus for the "unacceptable" drafting
 
I think to call the likes of Kempe, Wagner, Amadio, Brodizinski and even Pearson sure fire nhlers at this point is a stretch, considering they're all only getting time on a team with no depth, and don't contribute to our depth at all. Until they actually and consistently start contributing, they all just seem like bad development.
 
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lexlavender said:
I think to call the likes of Kempe, Wagner, Amadio, Brodizinski and even Pearson sure fire nhlers at this point is a stretch, considering they're all only getting time on a team with no depth, and don't contribute to our depth at all. Until they actually and consistently start contributing, they all just seem like bad development.
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That's nonsense, Wagner, and Brodzinski, ok, Amadio is right on the edge, he's gotta push through it, and Pearson...seriously? 321 games, 144 points, but he's not a surefire NHLer.....holy crap guys....cmon.

One bad start, and more than half of this boards minds are completely gone
 
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lexlavender said:
I think to call the likes of Kempe, Wagner, Amadio, Brodizinski and even Pearson sure fire nhlers at this point is a stretch, considering they're all only getting time on a team with no depth, and don't contribute to our depth at all. Until they actually and consistently start contributing, they all just seem like bad development.
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I'm sorry, but you are going out of your way to be upset with things here. Pearson not a surefire NHLer is the hottest take I've seen around here this season and that's saying something.
 
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