Rumor: KINGS 2018-19 Season - The Luc and Rob Show

[KingsFan7824]

I miss this style of hockey that the Kings used to play.


Check out the highlights. Aggressive fore checking, passes connecting, and not giving up on plays. That was a fun game and a fun Kings team to watch.

That was with boring and defensive Terry Murray. Weird.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Seems like Q is one of those old recycled coaches. Who couldn't even hold a former Cup winner together. Without the 3v3 OT wins, the Hawks are a bottom 5 teams this year. What's that 60 year old man bringing that the Kings players haven't heard already?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

So with Q's firing, the longest tenured coach is officially Jon Cooper at 5 years, with 27 head coaches being hired within the last 3 years, for those of you who were hand-wringing about coaching turnover.

 

[deeshamrock]

So with Q's firing, the longest tenured coach is officially Jon Cooper at 5 years, with 27 head coaches being hired within the last 3 years, for those of you who were hand-wringing about coaching turnover.

That's astounding. And a sign of over expansion. I like Q and I get the 3 Cup pedigree, but I don't see him as the answer , unless there is a good amount of trades to upgrade the lineup.
I'd get new blood, new thinking, new ideas, somebody like Tony Granato, perhaps.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

That's astounding. And a sign of over expansion. I like Q and I get the 3 Cup pedigree, but I don't see him as the answer , unless there is a good amount of trades to upgrade the lineup.
I'd get new blood, new thinking, new ideas, somebody like Tony Granato, perhaps.

Yeah not real sure how I feel about Q.

 

[ibleedkings]

I hope Blake is on the phone trying to get a hold of coach Q. Would be pretty bizarre to hire him but Willie has that interim tag so it’s possible.

 

[Johnny Utah]

I think Blake is hoping this move turns the season around but if it doesn’t the Kings have to make serious moves to get younger and that doesn’t mean signing another 36 year old.

I would explore the market for Carter and Phanuef.

I wouldn’t necessarily move guys like Toffoli and Pearson unless it was in a package to get something younger.

The key moves would now be getting younger and keeping and adding draft picks.

Kings have to make a decision between Martinez and Muzzin. One in younger but the other has longer term. Seems like Doughty and Forbort will be here for awhile. Clague and Brickley are the future - that’s 4. You also have LaDue.

Kings also have to find a way to get Peterson in La to back up Quick. He is the future Kings goalie and Quick, as much as we love him, is older and more injury prone than ever. He has 4 more seasons after this one and is 32. Kings can probably deal him in 2 seasons depending on Peterson.

Dolan and Vilardi will make the team eventually and Kings need to make room in the top 6 for them. Kovy’s deal will expire, Brown and Kopitar will most likely retire Kings. Carter can be moved. Kempe and Iaffalo are young and can stick around. Lewis is a solid role player. Thompson either walks this off season or is dealt at deadline.

Kings really need to revamp the 2nd line and 4th line with youth. The first line will be Kopitar-Brown for a while and the third line is always a mix of Kempe, Iafallo and Lewis. The 2nd and 4th lines are stale.

 

[deeshamrock]

Q won't be out of work long. If Edmonton were smart, they'd fire McLllellen and hire him, that team needs a good dose of leadership.
The Mayor tweeted that Willie is the guy and Kings will do an extensive search after the season. Don't think Q will be available then.
Also, Q is at 6M per thru 19/20 , so he can take his time

And you new that GM's with coaches on the hot seat (ahem...Hakstol) are eyeing this situation.

I think Yeo is about to get canned, and I'd bet Q being available ,might bring the ax down.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

I think Blake is hoping this move turns the season around but if it doesn’t the Kings have to make serious moves to get younger and that doesn’t mean signing another 36 year old.

I would explore the market for Carter and Phanuef.

I wouldn’t necessarily move guys like Toffoli and Pearson unless it was in a package to get something younger.

The key moves would now be getting younger and keeping and adding draft picks.

Kings have to make a decision between Martinez and Muzzin. One in younger but the other has longer term. Seems like Doughty and Forbort will be here for awhile. Clague and Brickley are the future - that’s 4. You also have LaDue.

Kings also have to find a way to get Peterson in La to back up Quick. He is the future Kings goalie and Quick, as much as we love him, is older and more injury prone than ever. He has 4 more seasons after this one and is 32. Kings can probably deal him in 2 seasons depending on Peterson.

Dolan and Vilardi will make the team eventually and Kings need to make room in the top 6 for them. Kovy’s deal will expire, Brown and Kopitar will most likely retire Kings. Carter can be moved. Kempe and Iaffalo are young and can stick around. Lewis is a solid role player. Thompson either walks this off season or is dealt at deadline.

Kings really need to revamp the 2nd line and 4th line with youth. The first line will be Kopitar-Brown for a while and the third line is always a mix of Kempe, Iafallo and Lewis. The 2nd and 4th lines are stale.

will you be approaching other GMs like this?

 

[Reaper45]

will you be approaching other GMs like this?

Not when they start the conversation with, " we'll retain on Phaneuf"

 

[Fat Elvis]

That's awesome. Haven't played a single game with the new coaches and you have Q replacing them. Doubt Q gets too excited about the LA job.
Too much of "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss" The Who'

 

[DryIslandBartender]

That's awesome. Haven't played a single game with the new coaches and you have Q replacing them. Doubt Q gets too excited about the LA job.
Too much of "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss" The Who'

Don’t think Q wants any part of this clown show. He’d rather continue collecting checks from Chicago.

 

[KINGS17]

So with Q's firing, the longest tenured coach is officially Jon Cooper at 5 years, with 27 head coaches being hired within the last 3 years, for those of you who were hand-wringing about coaching turnover.

Does this make removing a coach always the correct action? This is just the old adage of "you can't fire the players". The players and GM are far more responsible than the coach in the case of the Blackhawks.

 

[King'sPawn]

Does this make removing a coach always the correct action? This is just the old adage of "you can't fire the players". The players and GM are far more responsible than the coach in the case of the Blackhawks.

That I definitely agree with.

My biggest criticism of the Hawks leadership group is Toews and Kane saying they like playing with Saad, which predicated Bowman trading Panarin for him.

Players basically having a hand in personnel decisions is a scary approach.

 

[Reaper45]

What's old man Quenville going to tell them that they hadn't heard from Murray and Sutter? Nothing. Next. Let's be honest its Sturm's job to lose.

 

[Little Psycho]

What's old man Quenville going to tell them that they hadn't heard from Murray and Sutter? Nothing. Next. Let's be honest its Sturm's job to lose.

Yup, need fresh blood.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Does this make removing a coach always the correct action? This is just the old adage of "you can't fire the players". The players and GM are far more responsible than the coach in the case of the Blackhawks.

You're making it sound binary. It's not. I even think that's the case with the Kings. Removing Q, just like removing Stevens, is the 'correct action,' but it's also not the ONLY action--players should be held accountable as well and the GM has all the heat moved to him for the time being as it should be. With the Hawks, if they're going to start rebuilding/retooling, I'm not sure I'd want Q there for that--and I'm surprised Bowman is still there if anything.

 

[KINGS17]

You're making it sound binary. It's not. I even think that's the case with the Kings. Removing Q, just like removing Stevens, is the 'correct action,' but it's also not the ONLY action--players should be held accountable as well and the GM has all the heat moved to him for the time being as it should be. With the Hawks, if they're going to start rebuilding/retooling, I'm not sure I'd want Q there for that--and I'm surprised Bowman is still there if anything.

Standing by for players to be held accountable in a meaningful way.

 

[lexlavender]

Our Roster is garbage, but we should recognize that part of that isn't just because of a dearth of Talent, but because several players are unmotivated (Toffoli, Pearson, Kopitar [f*** my life, Kopi really?]) Or lacking in true fundamentals and good systemic education (basically all of our young guys outside of MAYBE Iafallo; Kempe, Muzzin, Martinez, Amadio, Wagner, Rempal whatever).

Q helps solve these problems. It's hard to imagine the players slacking on a brand new, hall of fame, tough as nails coach. When I think of "uptempo" and "creative", I really think of Prime Blackhawks. Not only this, but Q still preaches defensive responsibility, which is needed right now.

I'd seriously consider hiring Q. That's even better if he's game for a retool. This the ONLY first step that I can envision to make the Retool with this core a reality. Otherwise, just f***ing blow it up.

It's sad it's gotten to this point, and pathetic.

 

[johnjm22]

I like how people are saying Quenneville is too old / out dated ect.

People said the same thing about Sutter when Dean hired him.

 

[King'sPawn]

I like how people are saying Quenneville is too old / out dated ect.

People said the same thing about Sutter when Dean hired him.

I think people are saying Q is a great coach but there needs to be a new messenger.

And people were saying Sutter was just another defensive coach like Terry Murray.

Let's not forget that Sutter is also a great coach who has a shelf life.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Let's give Willie and Marco a chance. I am hopeful Sturm injects life into the offense and the players start playing with more drive and passion. If it was just Willie hired,
I would not be optimistic. I am optimistic that Sturm is on board and will play a big role.

Players know they are under the gun to play much better and produce, or will be dealt / replaced. It's too bad a firing took place largely
because of their lackluster performances. I think a deal is still on the horizon that will involve Voynov, when he is cleared to play
and will be part of a package.

 

[lexlavender]

Let's also consider that someone as experienced as Q can serve as a temper on the ambitions of the management and ownership. I'm sure if someone was underperforming, Q would have no problem going upstairs and saying he should be traded to the likes of Blake and Luc.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

still think Vigneault was an answer, you want some offense? you hire this guy
then you flesh out the players that can't adapt to this style accordingly

 

[AmadiosAmigos]

I will continue to advocate for a retooling on the fly, even with the coaching change.

Im fairly confident we could add 1 or 2 more 1st round picks this year, possibly another 2nd plus some younger warm bodies while shedding salary.

Maybe Im way off in my evaluation of what each nets, but there are some teams in the East and a couple in the West that could use guys like Pearson, Toffoli, Muzzin, Martinez, Clifford and Carter with the latter being potentially hardest to move.

Im not sold on the idea that we would go after Nylander. He definitely brings a dimension we need, but he's looking for a bigger long term contract, something we have seem to handcuff ourselves with constantly. I do think that a defenseman like Muzzin would be of interest to the Leafs at this point, and a deal around their 1st pick plus a guy like Johnsson or even Brown with a balanced add from LA could get things moving.

Edmonton, Pittsburgh Carolina, New Jersey could all likely use some secondary scoring that Carter, Toffoli and possibly even Pearson offer. TT likely nets you the most, signed reasonable and ok production so far. A team like EDM or PIT can likely afford to offer up a 1st plus a contract for him, or possibly more/less depending what we value him at. Carter's age will definitely be a concern, but a team like CAR searching for a 2C and without cap implications could/should have strong interest. What the return is becomes a guess and maybe others have better insight.

A deal Ive thought could be of interest to both sides is Pearson for Zacha (NJ). Not sure if they go for it, and some will likely be on the Zacha is a bust bandwagon, but at this point Pearson really seems to be unable to live up to his contract, and a $875k RFA bust whose only 21 suits me a little better then a player we have to pay $3.75mil to do nothing on the 3rd/4th line. If this is something we pursue, what is Pearon's value to everyone? Draft pick(s)? A prospect of some type? A combination?

As for Martinez, I believe there has to be value there. People keep saying 31 is old, but to me he comes with a pedigree and loads of value when you look at the scope of what he embodies. Looking from the outside, and while slightly different, he offers that same value Willie Mitchell and Rob Scuderi did for us when we went on our run. Surely there has to be some teams who could target him with a decent return.

Maybe Im way off base, but Id like to see it all happen. The team is stale, turnover is needed before its too late.