Rumor: KINGS 2018-19 Season - The Luc and Rob Show

[KingsFan7824]

It can't be a coincidence I feel like. The way the started out last year and how they played was unlike I've ever seen them play like before. Once decemebr/January came about the team played more tight and less risky

What part was Turgeon, and what part was unrepeatable career years for 30+ year old players? We keep throwing various things out there to see if something sticks.

On Dec 9th, the Kings were 20-8-3. That's 43 points in 31 games, or 114 points in 82 games. Since 13-14, only 6 teams have gotten 114 points in a season, and the Caps did it twice. That's about 1 team per year on average. They were going to come back down to Earth, and from mid Dec to mid Jan, they did that. By Jan 20th, they were 24-17-5. That's 53pts in 46 games, so about 95 over 82. That's closer to normal for the Kings since they got good again in 09-10. Since then, not including this season, they had 834 points in 704 games, which is 97 in 82.

Turgeon was here for Kopitar, Brown, Doughty. He was also here for Toffoli, Pearson, and Kempe going ice cold and having no presence at all on the ice. What was he responsible for? Would they consciously stop playing the way they were playing that got them a 20-8-3 record? Would Stevens be that stupid? Not in a joking way, but seriously. They were 8th in GF, and 2nd in GA on Dec 10th. Would Stevens say, we're playing too well, we have to switch it up? Seeing as how the Flyers were in the top 5 in GF during both full seasons that Stevens was the head coach there, I would guess no, Stevens can't be that dumb.

What comes first; losing a few and finding a way to play tighter and less risky, or playing tighter and less risky and finding a way to lose a few? If there is a concrete answer to that, someone could make a lot of money, because every professional sports team would want to talk to you. Outside of a Gold State Warriors, who just have so much overwhelming talent compared to their competition that it's almost pointless to play a season.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Dancing Boy:

Matthew Barry - IMDb

 

[damacles1156]

Kyle Clifford at practice today "We are not checking anymore" "We don't get into anyone's way in the D zone" "Basically we don't work hard and are easy to play against".

Clifford spoke with Kings Letter holders Kopitar-Doughty and stressed They should get back to basics.

 

[Sol]

Those in the trenches again turn to practice and detail to alleviate issues - LA Kings Insider

Yanetti: "Clifford is a generational character guy " wow. I said that as a joke a couple weeks ago and they're actually serious.

Time to strap yanetti to the rocket as well.

Also, smart of Stevens to decide to shorten the bench because Lindbloms goal went off of Walkers stick. Grooming the rookies to fail I see. Whopping 6 minutes of ice time.

 

[Cook24]

More cryptic tweets but Hoven said more likely something today than not. Take it for what it’s worth...

 

[KingsHockey24]

Kyle Clifford at practice today "We are not checking anymore" "We don't get into anyone's way in the D zone" "Basically we don't work hard and are easy to play against".

Clifford spoke with Kings Letter holders Kopitar-Doughty and stressed They should get back to basics.

Give Clifford the C.

 

[Sol]

More cryptic tweets but Hoven said more likely something today than not. Take it for what it’s worth...

Translation: let me give myself an out if nothing goes through

 

[BigKing]

I was going off of memory for that picture of the Dream Team; seeing it now, it is worse than I remembered.

As for Clifford, good for him. Say what you want, he hasn't changed his game and is still giving the same honest effort out there.

Also says a lot that he had to have a talk with the supposed leaders of this team.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Also, smart of Stevens to decide to shorten the bench because Lindbloms goal went off of Walkers stick. Grooming the rookies to fail I see. Whopping 6 minutes of ice time.

It's not that it went off Walker's stick, it's that Walker was playing soft. Yes, it's not fair to single out Walker in a sea of crap, but in the majority of cases all around the league, young guys can't make mistakes like that. They will more often than not pay the price for the group. Especially if a team is struggling as badly as the Kings are.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Have not heard from Blake in several days...I recall he was pissed way back after the Ottawa game...and when asked "what he liked" and he said "nothing"...or some such and was pretty pissed. Was that after the Ottawa loss? Whenver...but things have gotten 10 fold worse since then. The last time we heard from him, was when he said "John Stevens is a good coach, a real good coach" and that's been what, a week? I have a feeling they want to shake things up with a deal or firing - like a re-tool, but are too afraid to nuke this thing.

They should have started dealing 2 years ago, after missing the playoffs. That was the time to still get TOP value for Kopi, DD, Carter, Quick. Sell high. Now it's all weakness and Kopi's contract too big to move...DD would have to waive no trade and would only
want call where he went...and Carter is not worth a #1 pick. Quick is broken and may have some value - only if he comes back strong. Toffoli, Muzzin and Marty have just OK value. Pearson is not worth anything. I am sure when Blake is trying to sell them, the other GM wants to take 1 or more of: JAD, the #1, Kupari , Clague, Thomas, back in deals too. "yes, we'll take Muzzin for ---- along with your #1". Dead air.

 

[Noonan61]

I was going off of memory for that picture of the Dream Team; seeing it now, it is worse than I remembered.

As for Clifford, good for him. Say what you want, he hasn't changed his game and is still giving the same honest effort out there.

Also says a lot that he had to have a talk with the supposed leaders of this team.

Totally agree, that is very telling of the leadership with the team now if a player without a letter has to sit the suppose leaders down to get this team back to basics. Cup winning teams had very good leadership (Greene, Stoll, Mitchell, Williams, Regehr, even Richards) compared to now.

I’m aboard the S. Keefe train. Get a new coach and see how the group responds. If they still suck, trade as many as you can at the deadline.

As much as I would love for this to happen (huge fan of Keefe), it will be difficult as he is in mid season with the Marlies and I don't know if Toronto would give permission. Might have to wait until the off-season to be able to talk to him.

 

[LAKings88]

This group isn’t hitting because they don’t have that identity anymore. It’s all speed speed speed now right? This team isn’t a speed team.

They are a defense first group.

LA is where offensive players go to die.

Kopi found a way to carry them last year but LAs offense starts with defense. Kopi also put a lot of mileage in last year.

Sutter knew these guys and what they had to do to win. Got old tho and sheet happened.

Might as well go full rebuild to get that speedy team everyone wants them to be.

Right now they are in a funked up state of transition.

I am worried about Vilardi, Kupari, JAD, and Thomas.

 

[DoktorJeep]

Rosen is making it sound like a trade is coming and it will be about moving character vets to embarrass the remaining vets into being better hockey players.

So Clifford and Martinez are my guess to head to the eastern conference (MTL, BUF, NYI) for spare parts and weak futures.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Those in the trenches again turn to practice and detail to alleviate issues - LA Kings Insider

Yanetti: "Clifford is a generational character guy " wow. I said that as a joke a couple weeks ago and they're actually serious.

Time to strap yanetti to the rocket as well.

Also, smart of Stevens to decide to shorten the bench because Lindbloms goal went off of Walkers stick. Grooming the rookies to fail I see. Whopping 6 minutes of ice time.

Of course they are serious....the problem is not that they are serious, is that you don't get it.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Nothing says "heavy metal" like a crisp white pair of Nike's.

They probably also listen to Pennywise.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Everyone one of those dudes seems like a nice enough guy, but I can't imagine any of them have skated at any decent level.

Not that I'm one of those guys who believes you need to be a pro to understand the game, and thankfully most of them stay to the shallow level of insight they can provide, but there's a whole lot of smugness to other fans considering their expertise with the game. Rubs me the wrong way. I think their hearts are in the right place but their brains don't have the map they think they do.

 

[KINGS17]

They probably also listen to Pennywise.

 

[Maynard]

are any of those above guys pictured 'Dancing Boy'? CBGB i believe

I you want to see him you’ll have to watch The Notebook.

 

[Sol]

Of course they are serious....the problem is not that they are serious, is that you don't get it.

Funny coming from the most logic deprived poster on the boards.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Funny coming from the most logic deprived poster on the boards.

LOL I would take 3 Cliffords for the 4th line if I could,

They give it their all out there, they aren't gonna score ya 15 goals apiece, but they work their ass off, they show up every day, they play a team game, and they show the kids how to be a pro....what more do you want out of your 4th liners?

When they get too expensive, $2m etc, you recycle them with more character players, but for you to suggest he isn't useful is just idiotic at best.

 

[Sol]

LOL I would take 3 Cliffords for the 4th line if I could,

They give it their all out there, they aren't gonna score ya 15 goals apiece, but they work their ass off, they show up every day, they play a team game, and they show the kids how to be a pro....what more do you want out of your 4th liners?

When they get too expensive, $2m etc, you recycle them with more character players, but for you to suggest he isn't useful is just idiotic at best.

Just because they're good teammates doesn't mean they're particularly good players. John Scott sounds like a great team mate. Maybe we should bring him on.

 

[KINGS17]

Just because they're good teammates doesn't mean they're particularly good players. John Scott sounds like a great team mate. Maybe we should bring him on.

Hey, hey, John Scott was an all-star in this league.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Have not heard from Blake in several days...I recall he was pissed way back after the Ottawa game...and when asked "what he liked" and he said "nothing"...or some such and was pretty pissed. Was that after the Ottawa loss? Whenver...but things have gotten 10 fold worse since then. The last time we heard from him, was when he said "John Stevens is a good coach, a real good coach" and that's been what, a week? I have a feeling they want to shake things up with a deal or firing - like a re-tool, but are too afraid to nuke this thing.

Even if he wanted to do that, Blake can't trade with himself. There haven't been any trades of significance since the start of the season, and the Kings aren't the only team that's struggled. Look at previous years too. Not many big trades at this time of year. The cap is too constraining. Everyone wants the most bang for their buck, because it's a zero-sum game with the cap. Makes things very conservative. Even the Rangers didn't nuke it at the deadline last year, and they explicitly told their fans they were rebuilding. A couple expiring contracts, and one big trade with TB. That's it. They're still spending to the cap this year. They still have a bunch of the vets that they've had for years. Can't just sell everything all at once. Especially in Oct/Nov.

They should have started dealing 2 years ago, after missing the playoffs. That was the time to still get TOP value for Kopi, DD, Carter, Quick. Sell high. Now it's all weakness and Kopi's contract too big to move...DD would have to waive no trade and would only want call where he went...and Carter is not worth a #1 pick. Quick is broken and may have some value - only if he comes back strong. Toffoli, Muzzin and Marty have just OK value. Pearson is not worth anything. I am sure when Blake is trying to sell them, the other GM wants to take 1 or more of: JAD, the #1, Kupari , Clague, Thomas, back in deals too. "yes, we'll take Muzzin for ---- along with your #1". Dead air.

You have to pick one. Can't miss the playoffs and sell high. Are you talking about the 16-17 season? When Kopitar already had the big contract, and was coming off a career worst year? Quick getting hurt? If you want to sell high on Kopitar, the latest you could've done that was in 15-16, as the Kings were in 1st place, and before Kopitar re-signed. Even then might've been too late to get top value for him, since he was going to be a UFA and free to leave wherever he was traded to.

To get real top value for Kopitar, sell high, you trade him at the 2014 draft. Still a couple years left on his previous great contract. Coming off of being the #1C on the Cup champs. That's selling high. Since then his value has done nothing but go down. Maybe the Oilers give you the 3rd overall pick for him, because McDavid was still a year away, and not guaranteed to be there anyway. That pick ended up being Draisaitl. Maybe get the 8th pick from Toronto, and that was Nylander. Maybe get the 9th pick from Winnipeg, which was Ehlers.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Just because they're good teammates doesn't mean they're particularly good players. John Scott sounds like a great team mate. Maybe we should bring him on.

Holy f*** man, it's not about just being good teammates....

Take a look at the last 10 cup winners, take a look at the 4th line, I guarantee you you had players like Clifford on them ffs.

 

[Sol]

Hey, hey, John Scott was an all-star in this league.

Generational character player & all star character player as well

-Mike Yanetti