Confirmed with Link: Keith Jones actually set to be named real life part-time President of Hockey Operations, Danny Briere full-time GM

[AndHeMissedTheNet]

welp... David Reinbacher or Axel Sandin Pellikka, come on down

 

[Beef Invictus]

His idea of advanced is Hagg. Team is f***ed.

 

[ponder719]

• Jean Rasczak : All right, let's sum up. This year we explored the failure of skilled play. How our data scientists brought our world to the brink of chaos. We talked about the alumni, how they took control and established the stability that has lasted for generations since. You know these facts, but have I taught you anything of value this year?
  [to a student]
  Jean Rasczak : You. Why are only veterans allowed to play?
  Student : It's a reward. Something the team gives you for grinding like the Bullies.
  Jean Rasczak : No. Something given has no value. When you play, you are exercising physical authority, you're using force. And force my friends is violence. The supreme authority from which all other authorities are derived.

I have far too few likes to give this post. 11/10, no notes.

 

[Curufinwe]

Do we need to add (part time) for Jonesy, too.

 

[Rebels57]

welp... David Reinbacher or Axel Sandin Pellikka, come on down

Yep. They are drafting a defensemen. They telegraphed their Gauthier pick around this time last year too. Pretty soon you'll see one of the defensemen show up at #7 on McKenzie's mock draft, and that's when you know it's going down.

From what I understand, there are no defensemen worth selecting in the Top 10 over the available forwards, but the Flyers are run by stupid assholes so they will draft for perceived need instead of BPA.

It'll likely work out just as well as when they drafted Provorov over Rantanen.

 

[04hockey]

Defense wins Championships

really

 

[Beef Invictus]

Do we need to add (part time) for Jonesy, too.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Defense wins Championships

really

Every team that has ever won has done so by outscoring every other team they've faced.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Yep. They are drafting a defensemen. They telegraphed their Gauthier pick around this time last year too. Pretty soon you'll see one of the defensemen show up at #7 on McKenzie's mock draft, and that's when you know it's going down.

From what I understand, there are no defensemen worth selecting in the Top 10 over the available forwards, but the Flyers are run by stupid assholes so they will draft for perceived need instead of BPA.

It'll likely work out just as well as when they drafted Provorov over Rantanen.

They could always send Hart+ to LAK for Clarke (LAK are in dire need of an actual starter). Honestly, I think going for any D-man at #7 is a big f***ing mistake. If we get another 1st round pick between 11 and 15, then maybe we can draft a d-man.

I will say, it's not wrong to have a great set of D-men, but the thing with that is that there needs to be a GOOD D-system involved. You can have talent, but if you're wasting it with bad tactics and bad systems (because of bad coaching), then it doesn't f***ing matter. Torts has yet to show that anyone that his D-system is worth a shit. At this point, it's worth f***ing nothing.

 

[04hockey]

Every team that has ever won has done so by outscoring every other team they've faced.

exactly, by stopping the other teams offense and transitioning to their own offense

 

[Redpath]

welp... David Reinbacher or Axel Sandin Pellikka, come on down

It is 2013 all over again.

We don't need to be prioritizing anything, just accumulate all the best talent we can and fill holes later.

Although I did float Pellikka in the draft thread earlier today. I wouldn't hate taking a swing on a riser. I just hate the mentality that he'd be the pick because we want to "prioritize" defensemen.

 

[Beef Invictus]

exactly, by stopping the other teams offense and transitioning to their own offense

The Flyers don't believe in offense. Nor do they have much ability to score. You cannot win without scoring. The Flyers, as an organization, abhor scoring from top to bottom. They've been this way since Bryzgalov flopped and they become zealously obsessed with a 2003 version of defense as being the only thing needed.

 

[ponder719]

It is 2013 all over again.

We don't need to be prioritizing anything, just accumulate all the best talent we can and fill holes later.

Although I did float Pellikka in the draft thread earlier today. I wouldn't hate taking a swing on a riser. I just hate the mentality that he'd be the pick because because we want to "prioritize" defensemen.

The only thing this team needs to prioritize is getting to a point where we don't absolutely suck.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Yep. They are drafting a defensemen. They telegraphed their Gauthier pick around this time last year too. Pretty soon you'll see one of the defensemen show up at #7 on McKenzie's mock draft, and that's when you know it's going down.

From what I understand, there are no defensemen worth selecting in the Top 10 over the available forwards, but the Flyers are run by stupid assholes so they will draft for perceived need instead of BPA.

It'll likely work out just as well as when they drafted Provorov over Rantanen.

If they want a defenseman that badly they should trade down and get a 2nd pick.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

At the very beginning of a rebuild that you know is at least three years away...more like five...in the draft you should ALWAYS prioritize best player available, period. We should be also selling anyone 25 or older (AND Carter Hart) for as many high draft picks as humanly possible in this draft and future drafts. We should also sign veteran free agents to cheap one year deals so you have trade deadline bait for more draft picks which GM's throw away like loose change at the trade deadline. But what you do NOT do at this point, is prioritize any position. Get as many lottery tickets as possible and see where you end up.

 

[BernieParent]

Every team that has ever won has done so by outscoring every other team they've faced.

I'd like to see the math, please.

 

[Beef Invictus]

At the very beginning of a rebuild that you know is at least three years away...more like five...in the draft you should ALWAYS prioritize best player available, period. We should be also selling anyone 25 or older (AND Carter Hart) for as many high draft picks as humanly possible in this draft and future drafts. We should also sign veteran free agents to cheap one year deals so you have trade deadline bait for more draft picks which GM's throw away like loose change at the trade deadline. But what you do NOT do at this point, is prioritize any position. Get as many lottery tickets as possible and see where you end up.

Flyers Challenge! Name a single position that isn't a position of need.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Flyers Challenge! Name a single position that isn't a position of need.

Pricks.

The Flyers don't need anymore pricks.

 

[AndHeMissedTheNet]

Flyers Challenge! Name a single position that isn't a position of need.

Bad hockey players.

 

[BernieParent]

Flyers Challenge! Name a single position that isn't a position of need.

Disgruntled fan.

 

[volnoir]

Flyers Challenge! Name a single position that isn't a position of need.

Goaltending.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

Goaltending.

Yep, I was about to type the same thing. We're set there...

 

[Magua]

“It’s more than one year but less than four.”

Yeah, ok.

welp... David Reinbacher or Axel Sandin Pellikka, come on down

Briere also said this several weeks ago: that by year 3 or 4, he expects improvement. Now, you have the POHO smacking the table, wearing his new GM glasses from LensCrafters, and saying, "Ditto!" So, this is the vision. The big picture.

This team currently has no top end talent, or projected top end talent, at any position. Unless they want to delude themselves. And surely they do. This team doesn't want to have a fire sale to make up for lost picks; could even improve a spot or two next year with health; and yet, they're confident in the timeline of their rebuild. Make it make sense. If their goal is to just eke out an 8th seed after 3-4 years, with no path to contention, that might make sense. Aim low.

It took Jersey year 4 after drafting a no doubt star in Hughes, and already having Hischier and Bratt, to make the playoffs. Detroit hasn't made the playoffs in 7 years, despite rebuilding for most of it. Ottawa is going into year 7, finally with a talented up-and-coming roster that can make noise. We can talk about Buffalo and Colorado and so on. But the Flyers -- with a bunch of support players, few picks, and little cap space -- can magically turn this around in 3 years.

They're not only so confident in the abbreviated timeline of this rebuild, but they're already telling you what positions they most covet. Again, they have no elite players in the organization, and forwards (especially centers) are the hardest to find, but they're telling us defensemen are their main concern. This team currently has a bottom 3 offense, and most of their contracts and assets have gone into defense.

Rebuilds are a natural process of accumulating capital and seeing where it takes you. Because you just don't know. But the Flyers know! They always work backwards from the notion of what they want their dream team to look like. It will always be a bad process, even if you covet the right things, which, oh buddy, they don't.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Drafting a defenseman really is the smart move here anyway.

The team has bled goals for years after focusing on the offensive side of the game for too long. Build from the net out, and the goals will come.

BPA is quite overrated as is, why should a team want a low chance at a dynamic forward when quality defensemen are at such a premium.

All those high skilled clubs showed that the NHL really isn’t all that different from what it once was. It’s time to finally follow the guidance of the greats who had this team contending every season.

The Flyers are back.

 

[Curufinwe]

Hopefully Jonesy will be out of town doing one of his side hustles on the day of the draft, and Torts will kickboxing one of his ponies.