Confirmed with Link: Keith Jones actually set to be named real life part-time President of Hockey Operations, Danny Briere full-time GM

[Beef Invictus]

Goaltending.

That and 1RW is basically all I've got for sure. But that's a really soft decision, I'd certainly upgrade the RW position if it's there anyway. Always good to have a 1RW at 2RW.

So yeah, maybe not position of need.

On the other hand, by the time the team is good again we may need a new goalie. So it may still be a need?

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Okay, I want to make my pitch for the Flyers keeping Carter Hart (assuming we can only get a 2nd round pick + meh prospect, which is typically going rate unless you get a Cory Schneider type return of 10OA...)

The Flyers have a massive PR issue for just about everything. The one thing we have waited for on the Flyers for like, 30 years, is a franchise goaltender. Not a good or great goalie for a season at a time, but a franchise one. I believe Carter Hart is a franchise goaltender.

Considering our PR issue, I think it is worth it to Briere and Keith Jones to keep Carter Harter above all other vets during this (hopeful) fire sale that's coming. Trading him, in my mind, will make fans more upset than it's worth when he can have long-term success here even 7 years from now. It does prevent us from bottoming out, which is true, but I don't know if even he can stop us from being as bad as we'll be for a few years.

So I'm speaking purely from a PR standpoint...it may be the smarter move to keep Carter Hart if I was an executive of the Philadelphia Flyers.

Now go ahead and tear me apart.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Hopefully Jonesy will be out of town doing one of his side hustles on the day of the draft, and Torts will kickboxing one of his ponies.

*getting kickboxed

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Gotta love how we hired a new President of Hockey Ops, during a period where the Flyers may have to completely change how they are for the first time in forever (biggest possible change, POSSIBLE is the key word), and he's only part timing it. What a f***ing joke.

cuz if Torts can phone it in. its ok for everyone else too

 

[Curufinwe]

2023 NHL Draft Rankings: Gabriel Foley's Final Top 100

In his final updated 2023 NHL Draft rankings, Head of North American Scouting Gabriel Foley breaks down his Top 100 players in the class.

www.recruitscouting.com

This has Reinbacher ranked at 8, but god it just seems awful to be telegraphing/reaching for a RHD when they traded for Niskanen, Braun, Ristolainen, Ellis and DeAngelo in the last four years.

 

[deadhead]

This team is a lot deeper going forward at forward than defense, York is the only sure thing on the defense.
Doesn't mean they should take a D-man at #7, BPA applies, but when trading Provorov and Laughton, they should certainly look at D-men prospects.

So saying they need to build up the Defense is just saying the obvious, unless Sanheim gets his shit together, Zamula turns out to be a top 4 D-man despite bending over in a slight breeze, Risto keeps improving, Attard develops enough fundamentals to be a top 4, Andrae is the next Kimmo, Ginning the next Olesiak - in other words, they need defensemen.

 

[Curufinwe]

I'm sure the first thing Torts and Jonesy are pressing Briere to do is trade Laughton.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

This team is a lot deeper going forward at forward than defense, York is the only sure thing on the defense.
Doesn't mean they should take a D-man at #7, BPA applies, but when trading Provorov and Laughton, they should certainly look at D-men prospects.

So saying they need to build up the Defense is just saying the obvious, unless Sanheim gets his shit together, Zamula turns out to be a top 4 D-man despite bending over in a slight breeze, Risto keeps improving, Attard develops enough fundamentals to be a top 4, Andrae is the next Kimmo, Ginning the next Olesiak - in other words, they need defensemen.

Lol...they have a team full of bottom six forwards and Konecny...lets be honest. It's a no-brainer to go best player available for the foreseeable future.

 

[deadhead]

Lol...they have a team full of bottom six forwards and Konecny...lets be honest. It's a no-brainer to go best player available for the foreseeable future.

Uh, what's a bottom six forward?

Frost put up 42 ES points, haven't figured out a role on the PP yet, but that's top 6 production
Farabee with a full offseason is certainly a top 6 player, 42nd in pp/60 his first three seasons.
Tippett is probably marginal right now, 37 ES points, but has upside.

Cates is a 3C, but might be a 2LW, was more effective offensively at the wing but not as valuable defensively.
Gauthier should be a top 6 LW, center remains to be seen.
Foerster has top 6 upside, we'll see he reaches it.

Brink? Who knows

Couts, Atkinson? We'll have to see them in action.

What stands out isn't the lack of depth at forward, but the absence of a reliable 1C you could built the rest of the forward group around.
And I don't think that player is available past #2 in this draft unless you get lucky.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Uh, what's a bottom six forward?

Frost put up 42 ES points, haven't figured out a role on the PP yet, but that's top 6 production
Farabee with a full offseason is certainly a top 6 player, 42nd in pp/60 his first three seasons.
Tippett is probably marginal right now, 37 ES points, but has upside.

Cates is a 3C, but might be a 2LW, was more effective offensively at the wing but not as valuable defensively.
Gauthier should be a top 6 LW, center remains to be seen.
Foerster has top 6 upside, we'll see he reaches it.

Brink? Who knows

Couts, Atkinson? We'll have to see them in action.

What stands out isn't the lack of depth at forward, but the absence of a reliable 1C you could built the rest of the forward group around.
And I don't think that player is available past #2 in this draft unless you get lucky.

There isn’t a single half decent team that has a forward core of that quality. They’re bad.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

Uh, what's a bottom six forward?

Frost put up 42 ES points, haven't figured out a role on the PP yet, but that's top 6 production
Farabee with a full offseason is certainly a top 6 player, 42nd in pp/60 his first three seasons.
Tippett is probably marginal right now, 37 ES points, but has upside.

Cates is a 3C, but might be a 2LW, was more effective offensively at the wing but not as valuable defensively.
Gauthier should be a top 6 LW, center remains to be seen.
Foerster has top 6 upside, we'll see he reaches it.

Brink? Who knows

Couts, Atkinson? We'll have to see them in action.

What stands out isn't the lack of depth at forward, but the absence of a reliable 1C you could built the rest of the forward group around.
And I don't think that player is available past #2 in this draft unless you get lucky.

That's quite a long list of if's and but's. We have no legit 1st line or even 2nd line center in the pipeline. Frost, Farabee, and Tippett on good teams would be AT BEST 2nd liners, but more likely 3rd liners. Cates...third liner. Gauthier...who knows? Foerster....who knows? Brink....who knows? Couts and Atkinson are not in the long-term picture and you know it. Can't build around them, Sounds like a huge lack of forward depth to me in addition to d-man depth.

 

[ponder719]

Flyers Challenge! Name a single position that isn't a position of need.

Mascot.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Yep. They are drafting a defensemen. They telegraphed their Gauthier pick around this time last year too. Pretty soon you'll see one of the defensemen show up at #7 on McKenzie's mock draft, and that's when you know it's going down.

From what I understand, there are no defensemen worth selecting in the Top 10 over the available forwards, but the Flyers are run by stupid assholes so they will draft for perceived need instead of BPA.

It'll likely work out just as well as when they drafted Provorov over Rantanen.

not one person here can predict this ... not one..

hahaha

At the very beginning of a rebuild that you know is at least three years away...more like five...in the draft you should ALWAYS prioritize best player available, period. We should be also selling anyone 25 or older (AND Carter Hart) for as many high draft picks as humanly possible in this draft and future drafts. We should also sign veteran free agents to cheap one year deals so you have trade deadline bait for more draft picks which GM's throw away like loose change at the trade deadline. But what you do NOT do at this point, is prioritize any position. Get as many lottery tickets as possible and see where you end up.

#buckleup

 

[swami24]

Disgruntled fan.

None of us are currently gruntled.

 

[Beef Invictus]

This team is a lot deeper going forward at forward than defense, York is the only sure thing on the defense.
Doesn't mean they should take a D-man at #7, BPA applies, but when trading Provorov and Laughton, they should certainly look at D-men prospects.

So saying they need to build up the Defense is just saying the obvious, unless Sanheim gets his shit together, Zamula turns out to be a top 4 D-man despite bending over in a slight breeze, Risto keeps improving, Attard develops enough fundamentals to be a top 4, Andrae is the next Kimmo, Ginning the next Olesiak - in other words, they need defensemen.

Rofl this team isn't deep anywhere.

 

[Magua]

Rofl this team isn't deep anywhere.

Not true. It's in deep shit.

 

[freakydallas13]

Do we need to add (part time) for Jonesy, too.

Add it for Torts while we are at it, that crusty old asshole takes random games off from coaching whenever he feels like it.

 

[BernieParent]

Okay, I want to make my pitch for the Flyers keeping Carter Hart (assuming we can only get a 2nd round pick + meh prospect, which is typically going rate unless you get a Cory Schneider type return of 10OA...)

The Flyers have a massive PR issue for just about everything. The one thing we have waited for on the Flyers for like, 30 years, is a franchise goaltender. Not a good or great goalie for a season at a time, but a franchise one. I believe Carter Hart is a franchise goaltender.

Considering our PR issue, I think it is worth it to Briere and Keith Jones to keep Carter Harter above all other vets during this (hopeful) fire sale that's coming. Trading him, in my mind, will make fans more upset than it's worth when he can have long-term success here even 7 years from now. It does prevent us from bottoming out, which is true, but I don't know if even he can stop us from being as bad as we'll be for a few years.

So I'm speaking purely from a PR standpoint...it may be the smarter move to keep Carter Hart if I was an executive of the Philadelphia Flyers.

Now go ahead and tear me apart.

I don't disagree with the historic undervaluing of goaltenders, and if the best part of the best offer is a 2nd, I wouldn't want Briere to pull the trigger. The downside is that he will likely be looking for a big raise from his <$4 million salary. Is it wise to sink multiple years of cap into a goaltender while the team needs flexibility to accumulate assets? Another issue that eats at me is the unresolved Team Canada case. Until the names have been published and Hart isn't one of them, how can we project what to do with him?

My ideal trade would be with LA to bring back one of their top young RHDs (I don't expect Clarke), a 1st, and Petersen (cap dump) for Hart. Play Petersen/Ersson, take a risk sending Sandstrom to LHV, and try to break Fedotov and Kolosov out of Russia.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Add it for Torts while we are at it, that crusty old asshole takes random games off from coaching whenever he feels like it.

We already did that. Peep the Tortorella thread.

Hence the “too.”

 

[renberg]

So saying they need to build up the Defense is just saying the obvious, unless Sanheim gets his shit together, Zamula turns out to be a top 4 D-man despite bending over in a slight breeze, Risto keeps improving, Attard develops enough fundamentals to be a top 4, Andrae is the next Kimmo, Ginning the next Olesiak - in other words, they need defensemen.

Assuming that Provorov is traded, York, Sanheim, Zamula, Attard, Andrae, Ristolainen and Ginning is a base for a decent but not great defense. The defense last year looked bad when Provorov and TDA were out on the ice ****ing around. Sanheim played good hockey the last 25 or so games of the season. Risto was adequate the last half. With what the club has up the middle, center ice is the position of greatest need. Draft Benson.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The team seemingly has absolutely not interest in ever giving Zamula, Attard, or Andrae a real shot. Wrong dman archetype. Especially if they let Jones have any influence, those guys will never have any chance at a career.

 

[Tripod]

The team seemingly has absolutely not interest in ever giving Zamula, Attard, or Andrae a real shot. Wrong dman archetype. Especially if they let Jones have any influence, those guys will never have any chance at a career.

Who cares. We can just re-sign Seeler.

 

[trostol]

 

[FlyerNutter]

There is a STG pod tonight in about 1.5 hrs. Seems live comment section may be open.

I wont have time, but let it rip. Jones, and Camillo there part of it.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

There is a STG pod tonight in about 1.5 hrs. Seems live comment section may be open.

I wont have time, but let it rip. Jones, and Camillo there part of it.

somone phonein and tell them to fold the franchise