Confirmed with Link: Keith Jones actually set to be named real life part-time President of Hockey Operations, Danny Briere full-time GM

[deadhead]

I ignore the fluff.
In the end, only actions matter.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I ignore the fluff.
In the end, only actions matter.

You also ignore the actions.

 

[Redpath]

I ignore the fluff.
In the end, only actions matter.

We've already seen that the fluff has influenced the actions.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Even if you want to modernize, that isn't happening without firing Tortorella. Which they aren't doing. They're doing the opposite and over-empowering him. So they are either lying or have no idea what they're doing. Or both.

their idea of modernizing is going balls deep into 1970s BSBs style retro hockey..


hell i wouldnt be surprized to see them use the 7th OA pick to go with the biggest goon in the draft regardless how far down hes ranked.

i truely have zero faith anything is changing in a modern winning hockey today sort of way.

 

[JABEE]

Seemed like Tyrone Johnson was angry that Keith Jones went to 94WIP for his interview instead of the station with the Flyers Radio Broadcast rights.

 

[Rebels57]

Tbf, i did take some good points from what i heard. The morale in that building supposedly being way better is objectively a good sign; i feel like it's probably safe to assume that Fletcher (aside from just being bad at his job) was probably checked out and didn't want to deal with this organization anymore, not that i could blame him.

The part from ASF about them claiming that they actually do have some awareness about needing to modernize the Flyers' game... that got my attention for sure. Whether or not they're actually capable of doing that obviously remains to be seen, as does clarification on what their vision of "modern hockey" is.

Not that i'm slurping the Comcast cock like some of the Authentics have been, but i also can't be anywhere near as outraged as some of you are right now. I need to see what phase one of this thing is actually gonna look like; what the Hayes and Provy trades are gonna look like, and who else gets moved out. I'm actually starting to think that what they do at 7 isn't as important as the players they trade and what they get in return. Because let's be honest here, they're probably gonna reach for a need/"culture fit" at 7 and i'm not saying i don't blame them, but there's clearly a drop-off after Bedard/Fantilli/Carlsson/Smith/Michkov, and hell, only 4 of those 5 aren't massive risks. Whoever they take at 7 is whatever honestly, but can Briere actually win a f***ing trade though? I forgot what a Flyers GM winning a trade even looks like.

I dont know how you can be so dismissive of the 7th overall pick in a great draft. Youre buying too much into the "drop off" narrative. There will be a lot of great options at 7 and its extremely important they make a good pick there. Unless Briere goes more scorched-Earth then he's letting on, there's a good chance they pick a bit later than 7 next season thanks to Couturier alone.

 

[deadhead]

I dont know how you can be so dismissive of the 7th overall pick in a great draft. Youre buying too much into the "drop off" narrative. There will be a lot of great options at 7 and its extremely important they make a good pick there. Unless Briere goes more scorched-Earth then he's letting on, there's a good chance they pick a bit later than 7 next season thanks to Couturier alone.

They need to do everything well, not perfectly, mistakes are inevitable (Sakic taking Jost with #10, for example), but your good moves need to outnumber your mistakes - something we haven't seen for over a decade.

If there is no great player at #7, you still need to get a top 6 forward or top 4 D-man, not a middle six forward or bottom 3 type.
They also need to hit on one or two players the rest of the draft, especially if they add picks in trades.
They need to get a good return from Provorov and Laughton, and something decent from Hayes.
They need to nail a low cost FA or two and flip them at the TDL.
They need to free up cap room and use it to garner assets from cap strapped contenders.

 

[kudymen]

So this team's plan is to make the best second round pick in NHL history?

Genius. Just pick better. Why didn't Charles Entertainment Fletcher think of that.

(I don't follow the NFL, I don't know how accurate what Jones said was)

Reminds me of that time when PepsiCo Global tried to teach me how to increase sales - "why don't you increase distribution and get the product to more stores?"

 

[Beef Invictus]

Sakic made a mistake, so he's exactly like Briere who will make many.

 

[04hockey]

plenty of "mistakes" by some regular posters and their attitude towards the new regime.....

they've only been in charge for a f***ING WEEK

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I ignore the fluff.
In the end, only actions matter.

You don’t ignore the fluff. You look at the fluff and concoct fantasy tales out of them.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Seemed like Tyrone Johnson was angry that Keith Jones went to 94WIP for his interview instead of the station with the Flyers Radio Broadcast rights.

Tyrone Johnson is the worst of the worst. He thinks that he’s god’s gift to earth.

 

[BernieParent]

New Keurig must be on order.

A Keurig?? That is the Michigan of coffee makers, Beef. The Flyers believe in an honest effort to make coffee, that takes labour and diligence and effort. They pour their grains into a pot and boil it over a fire in an oil drum.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Aren't the Flyers radio broadcast rights held by QVC at this point

 

[Larry44]

Meanwhile, no 2nd round pick in 2023. Last pick of the 2nd round in 2024 as compensation for JOB.

Oh and because of how many different positions there are in football, its impossible to compare the NFL Draft to NHL Draft.

Also they havent changed out any of the scouts responsible for almost never hitting on any picks after the 1st round.

It's almost like Jones hasn't got a friggin' clue what he's doing. It's the D, gotta improve the D. I mean, with Risto, D'Angelo and Seeler, you have three of the worst D in the league. I would hope they roll them back out again to aid in #Tank2024LetTheCelebriniBegin!

It's worrisome that the entire strategy seems to be "we'll pull a Hurts out of the late round of the NHL draft, because no other team is trying to do that and despite the fact we have no record of success doing it."

Good grief, they hired a hockey commentator, and a mediocre one, to run the team. #FlyersCupIn2035!

EDIT: I can't seem to be able to change #FireChucklesNow on my avatar, anyone know how to do that? Thanks in advance.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

It's almost like Jones hasn't got a friggin' clue what he's doing. It's the D, gotta improve the D. I mean, with Risto, D'Angelo and Seeler, you have three of the worst D in the league. I would hope they roll them back out again to aid in #Tank2024LetTheCelebriniBegin!

It's worrisome that the entire strategy seems to be "we'll pull a Hurts out of the late round of the NHL draft, because no other team is trying to do that and despite the fact we have no record of success doing it."

Good grief, they hired a hockey commentator, and a mediocre one, to run the team. #FlyersCupIn2035!

EDIT: I can't seem to be able to change #FireChucklesNow on my avatar, anyone know how to do that? Thanks in advance.

What do you want it to be? It's probably easier for me to just do it then to explain how to do it.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Keith Jones is the King of HockeyGuy cliches and focusing on having a "good blueline" first and foremost. It's harder to be out more than I already am, but if this means another year of trotting out Provorov as the 1D and watching him go through the motions as his contract slowly starts to expire, just take me to the loony bin. Take another defenseman in the top half of the draft again too. It's worked out so well.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

I'm gonna give this a chance, I am, but I have very little to no hope, unless things start changing like overhauls on scouting, player development, senior advisors being fired, changing the coaching staff at the ahl level, and teaching them the system we use up here so they're more properly prepared when making the transition.

Flahr really needs to go as well, it's highly concerning he's sticking around, like I said I'll give it a chance, they're saying some of the right things, but until some of those things I mentioned happens, my hope/optimism will be extremely low

Also snow the goalie seems to think risto services a purpose for this team and every team has a risto lol

 

[Tripod]

They need to do everything well, not perfectly, mistakes are inevitable (Sakic taking Jost with #10, for example), but your good moves need to outnumber your mistakes - something we haven't seen for over a decade.

If there is no great player at #7, you still need to get a top 6 forward or top 4 D-man, not a middle six forward or bottom 3 type.
They also need to hit on one or two players the rest of the draft, especially if they add picks in trades.
They need to get a good return from Provorov and Laughton, and something decent from Hayes.
They need to nail a low cost FA or two and flip them at the TDL.
They need to free up cap room and use it to garner assets from cap strapped contenders.

And if these don't happen, will you actually say so? Or will you defend till the end like you have done with Fletch?

 

[deadhead]

I criticized plenty of Fletcher's moves, I've defended Hextall's drafting (other than his first round fiascos, can't miss on 3 of 8).

I didn't like the Risto trade, extension or failure to move him at the TDL.
I didn't care about losing Ghost, overrated around here (3rd pair D-man, PP specialist) I cared about paying to get rid of him, market price but wrong move.
I thought TDA was an overpay, but the bigger problem was he didn't make sense, except that Fletcher was boxed in by Scott's "aggressive reload."
I thought Hayes was an overpay, but so were Voracek and JVR, all pre-COVID contracts. All big, soft, offense first forwards, funny choices for a franchise that keeps talking about the "Flyer way," none of these three fit that mold.

On the other hand, given Holmgren's "win now" mandate, the Braun and Niskanen moves rebuilt the defense at low cost
Flahr's drafting so far seems better than Hextall, he seems to have gotten value with 4 of 6 1st and 2nd rd picks, we'll see if Brink pans out.
York is already better than Provorov or Sanheim, Foerster looks like a potential top 6 forward, Gauthier likes fine so far. Andrae looks like a comer.

I just don't go overboard like many here.

And I pinpointed the source of the problem which was Scott and the Advisors and the lack of a coherent strategy.
Hextall started a half hearted rebuild in 2014, never really committed to getting younger after an initial flurry of action.
The result was a mediocre team 5 years later, a mix of a few prospects not ready for prime time and a few veterans at the end of their peak years.

Flyers were a 90 point team that had an outlier seasons in both 2017-18 (overachieved) and 2018-19 (sabotaged by bad goaltending).
A smart FO would have realized that and relaunched the rebuild, instead Holmgren wanted to win now (b/c the Flyers don't rebuild)
The result was a "dead cat bounce" with a new HC and some veteran additions, without addressing the lack of talent in the organization.
Sure enough, they crashed and burned.

 

[kudymen]

Sakic made a mistake, so he's exactly like Briere who will make many.

It is just a lazy confirmation bias cop out, Sakic = Briere just like Zito = Fletcher "because of that one thing I point to". Same as Tortorella = Cooper. Just lazy, based on one confirmation thingy

 

[deadhead]

It is just a lazy confirmation bias cop out, Sakic = Briere just like Zito = Fletcher "because of that one thing I point to". Same as Tortorella = Cooper. Just lazy, based on one confirmation thingy

Sakic and Yzerman were as inexperienced as Briere when they took over.
Doesn't mean Briere will have the same success, does mean that extensive playing experience may be a positive if it's paired with other qualities.

If you're smart and observant, playing on multiple teams with multiple HCs, GMs and clubhouse chemistry, in different stages of development (rebuilding to SC contender) should be a great learning experience. But that's no guarantee that a player will learn.

Now I don't buy Comcast executives' praise of Briere, he may indeed be brilliant, and it may not make him a better GM.
What makes a good corporate executive may or may not work in the GM role (some qualities probably yes, others probably irrelevant).

Problem is history shows there's no sure pattern - some retreads stay mediocre, some learn from their first experience, some novices grow into the job, others personify the "Peter Principle."

So all you can really do is cross your fingers.
At least the FO is no longer pushing "win now" or "aggressive reload." That makes life much easier for Briere.

 

[Danko]

Keith Jones is the King of HockeyGuy cliches and focusing on having a "good blueline" first and foremost. It's harder to be out more than I already am, but if this means another year of trotting out Provorov as the 1D and watching him go through the motions as his contract slowly starts to expire, just take me to the loony bin. Take another defenseman in the top half of the draft again too. It's worked out so well.

There's no way Provorov wants to be here for a rebuild. He's gonna get traded...Probably for a late 1st in 2024.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Hilferty was on 32 Thoughts and said they interviewed candidates that wanted to hire their own coach and GM and they said no. Not exactly revelating news, but you can see how they ended up at Keith Jones - a Yes Man.

 

[Striiker]

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