Confirmed with Link: Keith Jones actually set to be named real life part-time President of Hockey Operations, Danny Briere full-time GM

[Danko]

Despises what? A trick play?

Does he despise a perfect pass threaded through defenders? A quick release and shot into the upper corner of the net? A player on a 2 on 1 getting the defender to commit with a deke to open up a passing lane and them a pass on the blade?

Basic skills aren't sexy, but if you can master them, you can be more creative b/c you don't have to think, you can just react.

For the top offensive players it's instinctive, but you can give them a strong base of fundamentals on top of which they let their creative juices flow.
But you can't teach how to make an impromptu play, reacting to what's happening around you on the ice. That's an innate quality.

Most players just aren't that gifted, they don't have the vision, eye to hand coordination, hands, body control, etc. to pull off more than the basic repertoire of plays. Which is why they need to grind out goals. What may have worked in college or the AHL isn't going to fly with the smaller windows and faster pace of the NHL, which is why they shouldn't try to get too cute.

Marody is a perfect example of a skill player without enough skill - dominated college and the AHL regular season, struggled in the AHL playoffs and flopped at the NHL level.

Hey Professor Skillsy McSkillster, I have some homework for you:

 

[Curufinwe]

If that's all you can get, of course. But if we're talking about a mid 1st or a good prospect and a lower pick? I go for that. We have no idea what prices are for goalies right now, though.

But goaltending is overrated an guarantees you nothing. Hart is of no use to them right now, and even if he's the next Price, or Luongo, or Lundqvist....I'd rather have the next Niemi if the team around him is good enough to win a Cup.

Yeah, Carolina and Vegs are doing well without big money goalies in the lineup.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Despises what? A trick play?

Does he despise a perfect pass threaded through defenders? A quick release and shot into the upper corner of the net? A player on a 2 on 1 getting the defender to commit with a deke to open up a passing lane and them a pass on the blade?

Basic skills aren't sexy, but if you can master them, you can be more creative b/c you don't have to think, you can just react.

For the top offensive players it's instinctive, but you can give them a strong base of fundamentals on top of which they let their creative juices flow.
But you can't teach how to make an impromptu play, reacting to what's happening around you on the ice. That's an innate quality.

Most players just aren't that gifted, they don't have the vision, eye to hand coordination, hands, body control, etc. to pull off more than the basic repertoire of plays. Which is why they need to grind out goals. What may have worked in college or the AHL isn't going to fly with the smaller windows and faster pace of the NHL, which is why they shouldn't try to get too cute.

Marody is a perfect example of a skill player without enough skill - dominated college and the AHL regular season, struggled in the AHL playoffs and flopped at the NHL level.

Just stop. He's not talking about what you pretend that he's talking about.

“I’m not trying to be difficult about it. It’s fun to watch, it’s really cool but I just think our game has gone so far away from what the game should be. A hard game, an honest game. It’s almost gotten to showman,” the former head coach said. “I know you need to have it, you need to sell the game but I’m from the ilk that an honest hockey game needs to be played.”

Tortorella said, “It’s cool. My position is though, is it good for the game? I hear Ray say all the kids are doing it now.” He added, “I’m not trying to be a fool here, I’m just not so sure it’s great for the game.” Tortorella contended that if these players did that back in the late 90s or 2000s, they’d have their head taken off.

The real answer to your question though is that he despises that the game is passing him by. He yearns for the good ol' days of where he was relevant.

 

[BernieParent]

Jones wants players that have personalities that will shine on the media and it’s a priority.

They’re going to turn this into a reality show.

American Idle

 

[Kelmitchell2]

Canceling Kate Smith was silly.

What all actually happened with that? I heard that so many times, but Kate Smith was a little before my time since I was born in 91 lol

 

[deadhead]

Just stop.



The real answer to your question though is that he despises that the game is passing him by. He yearns for the good ol' days of where he was relevant.

I think you'd find a lot of NBA coaches who feel the same about young player focused more on their ESPN highlights than learning how to actually play.
For an uber-talented, it's just another day in the office, but too many young players want to imitate them.

Yogi Berra said it best:

"If you can’t imitate him, don’t copy him."

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I think you'd find a lot of NBA coaches who feel the same about young player focused more on their ESPN highlights than learning how to actually play.
For an uber-talented, it's just another day in the office, but too many young players want to imitate them.

Yogi Berra said it best:

"If you can’t imitate him, don’t copy him."

He isn't talking about that. That isn't what he is saying. You're delusional in your attempt to defend the man.

Read his words.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Is this f***ing real life? They’re talking about how upset alumni have been for years since Comcast took over. They’re concerned about THEM and saying how they’re going to take care of them because they’re great men.

Clarke and Company aren’t going anywhere based off of that.

“We want them to feel like they’re special.”

Good f***ing grief

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Jones wants players that have personalities that will shine on the media and it’s a priority.

They’re going to turn this into a reality show.

They are hoping that this will distract people from this team sucking ass. Another words they think we are stupid and gullible

 

[deadhead]

Have you heard anything from or about the Advisors for the last month or so? Zilch.
Alumni means a lot more than that group, most alumni are decades after the Advisors.

 

[BernieParent]

Excuse me, did you watch the Flyers last season?
Maybe they should focus on mastering the basics before they spend time trying to perfect trick plays.

How many times a season will a goal be scored with a pass over the net? Once? Twice?
How many times a season will a goal be scored b/c the pass is on the blade in shooting position instead of a foot or two off or late and deflected.

Until my team can master the basics, I don't want them getting cute.
Learning how to make good entry and exit passes is a far more valuable skill than the "Michigan."

You are right, dead, and I share your outrage that none of the Flyers coaches at the NHL or AHL level for the past decade have been able to drill this into the players' heads. Then again, the over-the-net pass is essentially a lower-arc version of the zone exits they have been teaching.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Well this is quite clickbaity. The interviews with Jones and Camillo already happened after they spoke to them "for a few minutes" after the PC the other day.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Who's that Sixer player who won the dunk contest? That's skill. He's still a marginal NBA player.
Point is "trick" plays are cute, but the focus on a rebuilding team should be fundamentals and basic skills.

This guy is trying to redefine skill. Next thing you know we'll hear about how OV/Crosby/McDavid/Mathews aren't skilled.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

All you need from that TORTS quote is the word "honest". It should be an "honest game". Now I'm no Deady, but my translation would be "hard working, effort, etc". In his mind, those type of plays are cheap and easy, and we can't have that spoiling this glorious sport of hard work and grinding. It's obvious he lives in the past.

 

[Beef Invictus]

People should stop and ask themselves what kind of player Briere was.
You think he has a problem with undersized skill players?

Does Briere think he was a skilled player, or do you think he buys into the idiotic delusion shared by the Advisors that they got by on nothing but hard work?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I cannot believe we still have to read that contenders have a top 6 and a bottom 6 in 2023. Some “3rd line” names left in the playoffs include Sam Reinhart, Anton Lundell, Martin Necas (even with both Svechnikov and MaxPac out), William Karlsson, Nic Roy, Jamie Benn, and Wyatt Johnston.

The Kraken were just eliminated with a “3rd line” of Tolvanen-Gourde-Bjorkstrand.

There are top lines, there are Middle 6s, and there are 4th lines. Just stop with the delusional shit. It’s infuriating. It’s not everyone else’s fault some people are still stuck in 2006.

Excuse me, did you watch the Flyers last season?
Maybe they should focus on mastering the basics before they spend time trying to perfect trick plays.

How many times a season will a goal be scored with a pass over the net? Once? Twice?
How many times a season will a goal be scored b/c the pass is on the blade in shooting position instead of a foot or two off or late and deflected.

Until my team can master the basics, I don't want them getting cute.
Learning how to make good entry and exit passes is a far more valuable skill than the "Michigan."

This is a lot of words to say, “I’m determined to be a prick.” That’s all this is. It’s Tortorella and Alain Vigneault missing the forest for the trees because you always have to have control. Privileges are metered out in drips to the worthy. Progress must be made only on your terms. It’s the Flyer way and it will never change. It’s much easier than ever taking any responsibility.

When you can put your dirty clothes away, I’ll let you make a saucer pass. Great, thanks Torts.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Tortorella has the most laughably basic offensive scheme possible. Because it will never be very effective, he will always claim it's because the "basics" aren't mastered, so there won't be any need to improve it. It's a circle.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Cool, cool.

 

[Rebels57]

Cool, cool.

What a f***ing gong show

 

[FlyerNutter]

Cool, cool.

Pathetic.

I’m always happy to know my surgeon was out flipping burgers at BK earlier in the day before coming in for his shift.

 

[deadhead]

I cannot believe we still have to read that contenders have a top 6 and a bottom 6 in 2023. Some “3rd line” names left in the playoffs include Sam Reinhart, Anton Lundell, Martin Necas (even with both Svechnikov and MaxPac out), William Karlsson, Nic Roy, Jamie Benn, and Wyatt Johnston.

The Kraken were just eliminated with a “3rd line” of Tolvanen-Gourde-Bjorkstrand.

There are top lines, there are Middle 6s, and there are 4th lines. Just stop with the delusional shit. It’s infuriating. It’s not everyone else’s fault some people are still stuck in 2006.



This is a lot of words to say, “I’m determined to be a prick.” That’s all this is. It’s Tortorella and Alain Vigneault missing the forest for the trees because you always have to have control. Privileges are metered out in drips to the worthy. Progress must be made only on your terms. It’s the Flyer way and it will never change. It’s much easier than ever taking any responsibility.

When you can put your dirty clothes away, I’ll let you make a saucer pass. Great, thanks Torts.

I'm not talking about the actual lines, but the distribution of scoring among forwards.
If you went by minutes played, those lists would be in different orders.
But people around here are obsessed with scoring, just pointing out that top PO teams aren't loaded with 50+ ES point scorers.

Gourde is a perfect example of the disconnect between scoring and value in forwards.
Best offensive season was as a 26 year old rookie, 49 ES points, then 37, 21, 30, 37, 43.
Yes he played 15:52 (5) and 15:19 (2) at ES in the PO the two Cup seasons. 2nd and 1st line minutes.

I think to some extent good coaches have to be "pricks," Montgomery is a player's coach, Boston out in the first rd, Cassidy by all reports is a prick, Vegas in the CF. Maybe coincidence. Neither Cooper or Sullivan are known to be "soft" HCs.

Especially with younger talented players who often have "entitlement syndrome," as stars at lower levels, their coaches often babied them b/c they were their meal ticket. If you've been allowed to coast on your talent since you were a pre-teen, it does take some prodding to get you to play "right." We see this in all sports, there's a minority of top players who are internally driven (hypercompetitive), but most need to be pushed and cajoled. Intangibles matter.

Cool, cool.

Good. Jones can watch first hand how it's done!

 

[Redpath]

Cool, cool.

I get that Jones as President is mostly a cushy no-show job, and there's even less work to be done mid-playoffs than there will be normally, but I feel like a stipulation for getting a dream promotion should be quitting your previous job upon your hiring.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Love that Jonesy will be the mediator between Torts and Briere. So even if Danny has differing views on a player , it will always be 2 against 1.

 

[Rebels57]

They really made Keith Jones the President of Hockey Ops

 

[Cody Webster]

Foerster will start next year, Gauthier could start if the Flyers wanted to play him at LW.
Attard will get a shot in camp, so will Brink, Desnoyers. Andrae will start with the Phantoms, good chance he'll be up by January.

Top ten picks normally start in the NHL in their D+2 season, later 1st rd pick D+3 or D+4.
Prospects they get in trade should push to start.
By 2026, the 2023 and 2024 drafts will produce some starters and some in LHV, on the verge of pushing for jobs.

Of course, they have to execute well, but that's the same for any team.

Sounds like the revolving door that you promised this year that never happened