Value of: Kappo Kakko... potential offer sheet target?

[pld459666]

Why? 1 year gives the player a lot more flexibility, and then either he becomes a UFA or gets qualified for another 1x6.1M.

And if he has a shit year or worse, gets hurt?

 

[Zach716]

Minus NY pissing off a team in recent memory I actually see a lot of similarity between Kakko and Kotkaniemi situations. All it would take would be 1 of 31 other teams (less when you deduct other cap strapped teams) to force Rangers hands tied. If another team is in love witth Kakko it's not that crazy to think about. It's gonna be a long long time before NY would be able to retaliate.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

And if he has a shit year or worse, gets hurt?

He still gets 6.1M to be qualified or go to UFA.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

And if he has a shit year or worse, gets hurt?

But where are you getting this 6x6 business? Who is offering him that? The Rangers certainly aren’t in a position to do that. If all they can/want to offer him is 2x2 or something like that why wouldn’t Kakko sign 1x$6?

 

[pld459666]

But where are you getting this 6x6 business? Who is offering him that? The Rangers certainly aren’t in a position to do that. If all they can/want to offer him is 2x2 or something like that why wouldn’t Kakko sign 1x$6?

The incentive to get a player to sign an offersheet, leaving a team that is just starting its ascension to contending has to be more than a 1 year deal at 6 million.

If you honestly believe a player would leave that situation above for one guaranteed year of good money, then we are never going to have a meaningful conversation.

 

[PAZ]

The incentive to get a player to sign an offersheet, leaving a team that is just starting its ascension to contending has to be more than a 1 year deal at 6 million.

If you honestly believe a player would leave that situation above for one guaranteed year of good money, then we are never going to have a meaningful conversation.

A team like Carolina could easily do that offer sheet and they're a better team than the Rags. We're talking about the Rangers, not the Lightning - New York hasn't won shit yet.

Not to mention that 1 x $6 mil deal could easily give Kakko a better situation to develop and also gets him to free agency that much sooner - where he can go to a better team than the Rags and still get paid.

 

[Lempo]

You will never convince me that 6+x6 not better than 6x1.

Can't predict the future, but you CAN protect it

I see a boom-bustish high OA who wants to bet on himself easily sign rather 1 x 6M than 6 x 6M. Laine took 2 x 6.75M (13.5M in 2y) though I'm sure Peg would have given him Ehlers-type 7 x 6M (42M in 7y).

Though obviously the higher-salary latter year and 7.5M QO you can optionally limp to UFAdom with was quite a sweetener, but there was no guarantees that he would be given one.

 

[thadd]

NYC is a great place to live.
You'd probably have to toss so much money at him in order for him to agree to sign the offer sheet that it wouldn't be worth it.

 

[One Winged Angel]

I doubt anyone gives Kakko the Kotkaniemi offer-sheet nor do I see an offer-sheet being tendered anytime soon after the retaliatory one from Carolina.

The retaliation is going to send a message to all of the other GM’s.

 

[Frenzy31]

I think offersheets are more regular then we know. My guess is players use it as leverage when negotiating a contract.

Doesn’t mean many sign it, but maybe use it to get a better deal. I don’t watch enough of NYR to determine what Kakko is, but if I was GM, not sure I want to overpay for a player in a league with a salary cap.

Trading a 1st and a 3rd plus 2 million in overpayment is not very wise. Especially if you decide not to extend him after the contract. Better make sure he is going to live up to the contracts.

 

[is the answer jesus]

Would love for the Devils to give him the KK offersheet lol.

Bad idea for the Devils, given where their team is currently at, the strength of that draft and Kakko's disappointing play to date.

You will never convince me that 6+x6 not better than 6x1.

Can't predict the future, but you CAN protect it

And who the f*** in their right mind is giving Kappo Kakko a 6x6 deal? No one. If he got an offer to make 6 million dollars next season he and his agent would have to think long and hard about that because the Rangers aren't going to offer anywhere near that kind of money.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

I'm expecting he'll get a bridge deal. Hopefully before free agency hits, to rule out any possibility of an offer sheet.

There have been some rumblings that the Ranger may look to move someone to free up additional cap space. The prime candidates would be Kreider and Trouba, given their contracts, but both have played so well this year. Kreider would make more sense since Laf could move up to take his spot.

for the sake of my fantasy team please. Ranger fans do you believe Lafranier is getting held back by certain factors or just isn’t as talented as players like Laine, Mathews, Eichel etc when they stepped in. Imo his talent was on their levels in his draft year.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

for the sake of my fantasy team please. Ranger fans do you believe Lafranier is getting held back by certain factors or just isn’t as talented as players like Laine, Mathews, Eichel etc when they stepped in. Imo his talent was on their levels in his draft year.

I've watched a ton of Lafreniere and try to be as objective as possible.

He's not in that tier of player. Think Saad / Rakell. Maybe Pacioretty.

 

[impaaaaaact]

NYC is a great place to live.
You'd probably have to toss so much money at him in order for him to agree to sign the offer sheet that it wouldn't be worth it.

You know how close Newark is to NYC? You don't think any Giants/Jets players live in NYC? Dude would most likely still live in the same place

 

[Tob]

any offer sheet can make management do something they don't want to do but can do if need be like trading Nemeth (2 more years $2.XM) or trading Lindgren (2 more years $3M).

Both Lindgren and Nemeth are gone before their current deal expires. The Rangers have a wealth of D prospects that need spots and ice time (Lundkvist, Zac Jones, Schneider, Robertson further down)

Replacing those two players and their on-ice impact is pretty easy and almost convenient for the Rangers with that batch of prospects not yet full timers in the NHL.

 

[Overrateprospects]

Speaking hypothetically, if the Rangers were offering something like 3x3 while the Devils were offering 6x6 for Kakko, Kakko would almost definitely sign with the Devils.

You're grossly overestimating how much money other teams need to offer a player to get them to sign elsewhere. It's probably a moot point because teams don't usually throw around offersheets, but the idea that he'd need this massive deal to leave but won't demand a massive deal from the Rangers to stay makes no sense.

I agree but where did I say 3X3? OP is saying 6.1 for one year. I would say 4.5 x2 is better but perhaps you are right

 

[Hisch13r]

Would love for the Devils to give him the KK offersheet lol.

Would be funny but f*** giving up an unprotected 1st. We aren't Carolina.

 

[ref19]

Kakko and his agent laughing at that offer. Kakko doesn’t want out and Devils are not in a position to possibly give up a top 5 pick in a loaded draft class. Mods need to shut this down

Laughing at a deal that's 3x more than he's currently worth?

 

[Lempo]

I think offersheets are more regular then we know. My guess is players use it as leverage when negotiating a contract.

Doesn’t mean many sign it, but maybe use it to get a better deal.

What "offer sheet" actually is by the CBA, it is a notification to the RFA's old team that another team and the RFA have signed an SPC and the old team can now use its right of first refusal.

Before an OS even could be sent, the RFA obviously have negotiated the contents of a potential SPC with that another team and god knows how many other teams. Normally the process isn't about crazy offers for one year and $6,100,015 plus 20 dollar signing bonus.

During such negotiations between the RFA and other teams are going on, it would be only sensible for the agent to inform the old team what kind of contract offers the RFA is getting from other teams so they can match it without any official offer sheet business.

 

[Ice Mammoth]

Plan 1
Stage 1) 2022 Kakko $4,100,000; (1 year) = 1 Second Round Pick.
2022 - Zibanejad - $8,500,000; Fox - $9,500,000

If the Rangers repeat the terms of the contract:
Stage 2) 2023 Kakko $6,000,000; (5 years) = 1 First Round Pick + 1 Third Round Pick.
RFA 2023: Lafrenière; Chytil; Miller; Jones.

If the Rangers repeat the terms of the contract:
Stage 3) 2023 Lafrenière $6,000,000; (1 year) = 1 First Round Pick + 1 Third Round Pick.

Plan 2
Stage 1) 2022 Kakko - $6,000,000 (5 years) = 1 First Round Pick + 1 Third Round Pick.

If the Rangers repeat the terms of the contract:
Stage 2) 2023 Lafrenière $6,000,000; (1 year) = 1 First Round Pick + 1 Third Round Pick.
RFA 2023: Lafrenière; Chytil; Miller; Jones.

 

[Ciao]

The stupid KK offer-sheet was personal and I really don't expect it to start a trend. It doesn't really help Carolina and it just amounted to settling a score.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Carolina could easily repeat their non revenge Kotkaniemi OS with Kakko. I hope they do. The amount of denial in here would make the meltdown amazing to read.
A nice 6.1 million offer, a 30 dollar signing bonus representing the 3-0 sweep in the bubble and the Canes Twitter would go through its re-tweeting of the awesome Rangers’ fans’ takes before the bubble series.

Why dunk once we you can do it twice?

the revenge takes on the OS still are worth a hearty laugh.

 

[GAGLine]

Don't both have full NMC's? Even if you wanted to move them, I doubt either will accept a trade.

Yes, they both have NMCs for 2 more years. That does complicate the situation. It doesn't make it impossible to trade one of them, but I doubt it will come to that anyway. We'll see.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Would be funny but f*** giving up an unprotected 1st. We aren't Carolina.

Kakko is a much better player than his stats suggest. He'd ideally be a big part of a playoff push next year so that first is around 15, which I could definitely live with. Kakko is going to be a beast sooner rather than later.

Still doesn't solve our problems on D but we'd have a pretty legit young offensive core.

This group could be pretty legit in 2 years:

Bratt - Hughes - Holtz
Zacha - Hischier - Kakko
Kuokkanen - Mercer - Thompson
Boqvist - McLeod - Bastian
Clarke

 

[GAGLine]

for the sake of my fantasy team please. Ranger fans do you believe Lafranier is getting held back by certain factors or just isn’t as talented as players like Laine, Mathews, Eichel etc when they stepped in. Imo his talent was on their levels in his draft year.

He may never reach a Matthews/Eichel level, but he will get better. Both he and Kakko are in situations where they get less ice time and opportunities than other top picks normally do, by virtue of the fact that we have good vets ahead of them. Laf has been playing on a line with Strome and Goodrow the last two games while Panarin is in Covid protocol, and that line has been great. Prior to that, he was playing with Chytil and Gauthier. That line often did well possessing the puck in the offensive zone, but struggled to finish plays. Which isn't super surprising since they are all young guys still trying to find their way in the NHL.

I think both Kakko and Laf are guys that will continue to get better every year, especially as they start to get more PP time. We'll see where they top out, but I equate them to someone like Zibanejad, who had more of a slow burn to start his career.