Value of: Kappo Kakko... potential offer sheet target?

[GIN ANTONIC]

the ? is fair, the rush to conclusion is not.

He + then g'f wanted immediate answer to set up long term solution.
She, his now wife, is along in her career.
Likely that she now or very soon has more options w/less contraints.
Can likely now do relocation to most first rate facilities.
So he can prob accept a deal as early as next yr

And for umpteenth time.
He is gone due to cap once nmc is modified.
If he works with us now, we owe him a favor and will try to accommodate any preference, even if we take a little less.
If he does not, then nanosecond his ass can go, we will dictate where whether he likes it or not.

It's still a 15 team NTC... it's not like the Rangers can just ship him anywhere. At an $8m price tag there already will be a minimal amount of teams that would be able to take him on. If you go the retention route then it opens up more but then it doesn't clear as much cap and could lead to other potential roster squeezes. Bottom line is the Rangers have a ton of high priced players with some sort of no movement clauses and the players have no reason to waive. Something has got to give. I always love hearing your creative solutions but maybe you can do better than this one from page 1...

Also, we can be creative and ask Kreider to extend for less $, say 4, 4+. That would help squeeze another mil or so + if that is calculated as a new deal.

Would have thought a Rangers fan would know that Kreider signed a 7 x 6.5 extension 2 years ago with an NMC (then M-NTC) that runs until 26/27

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

the ? is fair, the rush to conclusion is not.

He + then g'f wanted immediate answer to set up long term solution.
She, his now wife, is along in her career.
Likely that she now or very soon has more options w/less contraints.
Can likely now do relocation to most first rate facilities.
So he can prob accept a deal as early as next yr

And for umpteenth time.
He is gone due to cap once nmc is modified.
If he works with us now, we owe him a favor and will try to accommodate any preference, even if we take a little less.
If he does not, then nanosecond his ass can go, we will dictate where whether he likes it or not.

EXACTLY! In 2024 before the 2024-2025 season starts the Rangers can send him to one of fifteen teams of his choosing. He's totally choosing that option before the next season, where he can only be traded to one of twelve teams.

That's really sticking it to him!

The bounty he's going to return is going to be legendary

 

[Calad]

This thread is great, canes fans are trying so hard to get under our skin. I thought Kakko was a bust? Why are you offering him 6.1m?

And yes, we match that, no questions asked. thank you come again

 

[Calad]

6.1M$ OS means they'd need to fill 7 roster spots with 6M$ left to spend... Not happening. That's IF someone wants Nemeth which is highly debatable

Nah. I heard a rumor that Panarin might need "surgery" in the offseason, they'll fit everyone no problem. And worst comes to worst. 6,100,000 / 7 is about 870k per. With the amount of depth in the farm and replacement level players at UFA we could fill that very easily if needed, but we wont.

 

[Mersss]

the ? is fair, the rush to conclusion is not.

He + then g'f wanted immediate answer to set up long term solution.
She, his now wife, is along in her career.
Likely that she now or very soon has more options w/less contraints.
Can likely now do relocation to most first rate facilities.
So he can prob accept a deal as early as next yr

And for umpteenth time.
He is gone due to cap once nmc is modified.
If he works with us now, we owe him a favor and will try to accommodate any preference, even if we take a little less.
If he does not, then nanosecond his ass can go, we will dictate where whether he likes it or not.

You do realize it becomes a 15team NTC right?

How many of those "16 teams" where he could eb traded are going to be interested in a aging 8M$ d-man who's on the decline?

 

[Flan the incredible]

You do realize it becomes a 15team NTC right?

How many of those "16 teams" where he could eb traded are going to be interested in a aging 8M$ d-man who's on the decline?

You think 30 is aging? Lol only on HFboards

 

[Hisch13r]

Kakko is a much better player than his stats suggest. He'd ideally be a big part of a playoff push next year so that first is around 15, which I could definitely live with. Kakko is going to be a beast sooner rather than later.

Still doesn't solve our problems on D but we'd have a pretty legit young offensive core.

This group could be pretty legit in 2 years:

Bratt - Hughes - Holtz
Zacha - Hischier - Kakko
Kuokkanen - Mercer - Thompson
Boqvist - McLeod - Bastian
Clarke

In a different draft year I’d have done it for sure because I do agree he’s really good. Just not next year. I have no faith in us being able to do anything when we have the goaltending we have

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

This thread is great, canes fans are trying so hard to get under our skin. I thought Kakko was a bust? Why are you offering him 6.1m?

And yes, we match that, no questions asked. thank you come again

Never said the Canes were going to offer him it... just saying that another team might take notes from Carolina's offer to Kotkaniemi this past year and see a similar situation with Kakko.

Rangers are super up against the cap so how would they match $6.1 and stay cap compliant? I mean sure they could try to unload everyone not bolted down for scraps (Chytil, Lindgren, Nemeth, Georgiev, etc) but then you're going to have to fill half your roster with min wage players... and also could run into the same situation the next year with Laf. If you're giving Kakkpo $6.1 what will you have to give him?

 

[jay from jersey]

It's crazy to think that Glen Sather has now been with the Rangers organization longer than he was with the Oilers organization.

Yup. He gotta keep himself in thousand dollar suits chomping Churchill Cubans somehow.
Love him or hate him, the man carries a lot of respect from people all around the league.
Lately he’s been like Vito Corleone at the end of 1. The Don is semi-retired, but he still has an advisory role.
Dolan loves him to death. What he says carries clout. There’s not a lot of people who cross him.

 

[jay from jersey]

Never said the Canes were going to offer him it... just saying that another team might take notes from Carolina's offer to Kotkaniemi this past year and see a similar situation with Kakko.

Rangers are super up against the cap so how would they match $6.1 and stay cap compliant? I mean sure they could try to unload everyone not bolted down for scraps (Chytil, Lindgren, Nemeth, Georgiev, etc) but then you're going to have to fill half your roster with min wage players... and also could run into the same situation the next year with Laf. If you're giving Kakkpo $6.1 what will you have to give him?

With how deep the next 2 drafts are in the 1st rd, specifically in the top 10, there’s not a lot of teams that want to give up an ELC talent, while adding 6.1 to their cap and hoping kakko takes a step fwd.
That would greatly narrow the pool of teams interested.
There are also a load of other teams that also are close to or at the cap and wouldn’t do it to add another fwd, further narrowing the field.
It s highly unlikely to start with, and when you break it down, the odds become worse.
Also if history is any indicator, there just are not a lot of teams that poach RFAs expecting to sign them.
Is it 100% impossible, no. But I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for it to happen..
They could prob match the 6.1, but any chance of resigning strome or going for a 2C dies at that point.
Also, good teams find a way to move cap when they need to. Even though it seems unlikely, it’s been done time and again over and over.
There’s about as good a chance as an offer sheet for kakko happening as there is for the rangers trading for mcdavid and Drai.
100% impossible? No. But the odds of it happening are so slim, it mind as well be

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

With how deep the next 2 drafts are in the 1st rd, specifically in the top 10, there’s not a lot of teams that want to give up an ELC talent, while adding 6.1 to their cap and hoping kakko takes a step fwd.
That would greatly narrow the pool of teams interested.
There are also a load of other teams that also are close to or at the cap and wouldn’t do it to add another fwd, further narrowing the field.
It s highly unlikely to start with, and when you break it down, the odds become worse.
Also if history is any indicator, there just are not a lot of teams that poach RFAs expecting to sign them.
Is it 100% impossible, no. But I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for it to happen..
They could prob match the 6.1, but any chance of resigning strome or going for a 2C dies at that point.
Also, good teams find a way to move cap when they need to. Even though it seems unlikely, it’s been done time and again over and over.
There’s about as good a chance as an offer sheet for kakko happening as there is for the rangers trading for mcdavid and Drai.
100% impossible? No. But the odds of it happening are so slim, it mind as well be

Yeah, I don't necessarily think it is likely to happen either but my point of the thread is that I saw it as a similar situation (not identical, just similar) that just happened with Kotkaniemi so if there is a team out there that is bullish on Kakko taking the next step and being a piece of their core moving forward they could try the same thing and it would make it difficult for the Rangers to match based on their valuation of Kakko and their cap situation.

 

[haveandare]

Kotkeniemi just ditched a team that played in the finals for a 1-year OS. I hate to be the one to break it to you, but the guys who play for your sports teams aren't all superfans who wouldn't dream of leaving for anything short of a billion dollars. They're gonna do what's in their best interest.

His team had a worse record than teams that didn’t even make the playoffs. They were clearly on a fluke run and not all of a sudden an elite team

 

[Calad]

Never said the Canes were going to offer him it... just saying that another team might take notes from Carolina's offer to Kotkaniemi this past year and see a similar situation with Kakko.

Rangers are super up against the cap so how would they match $6.1 and stay cap compliant? I mean sure they could try to unload everyone not bolted down for scraps (Chytil, Lindgren, Nemeth, Georgiev, etc) but then you're going to have to fill half your roster with min wage players... and also could run into the same situation the next year with Laf. If you're giving Kakkpo $6.1 what will you have to give him?

Easy, the same way the Bolts were cap compliant all of last year. Done and done =)


on a more serious note, league is gonna be headed straight to another lockout if players that haven't yet produced are gonna keep getting big $ contracts solely on projecting growth and not considering what they have produced thus far in their career.

 

[LionsHeart]

Every year we think there are going to be offer sheets flying, and every year it never happens. The Canadiens/Canes debacle was an exception, not the rule.

 

[NYRKing]

Yeah, I don't necessarily think it is likely to happen either but my point of the thread is that I saw it as a similar situation (not identical, just similar) that just happened with Kotkaniemi so if there is a team out there that is bullish on Kakko taking the next step and being a piece of their core moving forward they could try the same thing and it would make it difficult for the Rangers to match based on their valuation of Kakko and their cap situation.

But what team will give Kakko that deal? Serious question. You need cap space, you need a contender, and you need a fit. It’s not easy.

Also, you have to wonder if the Canes wish they had that 1st rounder for a better rental at the TDL. KK isn’t lighting it up statistically. Perhaps teams would be even more hesitant to risk the same with Kakko.

 

[Hasbro]

Would love for the Devils to give him the KK offersheet lol.

The Avalanche still owe the Rag$ a revenge offer sheet for Sakic.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

You do realize it becomes a 15team NTC right?

How many of those "16 teams" where he could eb traded are going to be interested in a aging 8M$ d-man who's on the decline?

Hilarious way to say you havent watched Trouba this year. This is the best he's played since coming to the Rangers.

 

[bossram]

I actually think Kakko is a pretty interesting offer sheet target. Obviously, the counting totals aren't there, which makes him seem a little disappointing for a #2 overall. But his underlying profile is pretty strong, so I think there could be more there on a team that played a more possession-heavy style.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

But what team will give Kakko that deal? Serious question. You need cap space, you need a contender, and you need a fit. It’s not easy.

Also, you have to wonder if the Canes wish they had that 1st rounder for a better rental at the TDL. KK isn’t lighting it up statistically. Perhaps teams would be even more hesitant to risk the same with Kakko.

A. The Canes are an easy answer to your who question.
B. Canes aren’t big rental players. If they are moving a first, they want some term. Also KK Is doing just fine. He struggled early, which was expected, and been really good of late.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

But what team will give Kakko that deal? Serious question. You need cap space, you need a contender, and you need a fit. It’s not easy.

Also, you have to wonder if the Canes wish they had that 1st rounder for a better rental at the TDL. KK isn’t lighting it up statistically. Perhaps teams would be even more hesitant to risk the same with Kakko.

As a fan? No, not wishing we had the 1st rounder at all.
1) As the season progresses, through the playoffs, injuries occur. Kotkaniemi has gotten better and better as time goes on and having him as depth is better (IMO) than overpaying for a rental.
2) The Canes have one of the deepest prospect pools in the league as well as a lot of picks (even without the 1st). If they want to add at the deadline, they still can.

To be clear, I wasn't a fan of the move to get Kotkaniemi. NOT because of the $6M or the loss of a 1st round pick, more because I thought (maybe incorrectly) there were better options at wing to fill their need.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

But what team will give Kakko that deal? Serious question. You need cap space, you need a contender, and you need a fit. It’s not easy.

Also, you have to wonder if the Canes wish they had that 1st rounder for a better rental at the TDL. KK isn’t lighting it up statistically. Perhaps teams would be even more hesitant to risk the same with Kakko.

Since he’s moved over to C he’s played really really well. Making an impact all over the ice and contributing on the scoresheet. 7 points in the last 5 games. He’s trending in the right direction in a big way. We’re happy with him for sure.

 

[bernmeister]

You do realize it becomes a 15team NTC right?

How many of those "16 teams" where he could eb traded are going to be interested in a aging 8M$ d-man who's on the decline?

NOT on the decline
and
we can retain 1-1.5.

also he is gonna finish that deal right side of 30, arguably latter part of his prime.
So what's the decline bs?

 

[Canes]

I’m sure little brother Carolina would love to offersheet Kakko

no one cares about them if they’re not doing something cRaZy

This will be a non issue for the Rangers

They have your imagination at least.

 

[Mersss]

NOT on the decline
and
we can retain 1-1.5.

also he is gonna finish that deal right side of 30, arguably latter part of his prime.
So what's the decline bs?

Wow... how generous... a 4.5M$ dman, paid 7M$... still only 3M$ overpaid!

 

[jay from jersey]

Hilarious way to say you havent watched Trouba this year. This is the best he's played since coming to the Rangers.

Probably in his career. He’s an absolute monster out there.
If you think trouba is a 4.5 -5 mill D, I’m sorry to say, you have no idea what your talking about