Value of: Kappo Kakko... potential offer sheet target?

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Hes not signing that

Why not?

 

[Overrateprospects]

1x$6.1M

Kakko and his agent laughing at that offer. Kakko doesn’t want out and Devils are not in a position to possibly give up a top 5 pick in a loaded draft class. Mods need to shut this down

 

[93LEAFS]

I'm expecting he'll get a bridge deal. Hopefully before free agency hits, to rule out any possibility of an offer sheet.

There have been some rumblings that the Ranger may look to move someone to free up additional cap space. The prime candidates would be Kreider and Trouba, given their contracts, but both have played so well this year. Kreider would make more sense since Laf could move up to take his spot.

Don't both have full NMC's? Even if you wanted to move them, I doubt either will accept a trade.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Kakko and his agent laughing at that offer. Kakko doesn’t want out and Devils are not in a position to possibly give up a top 5 pick in a loaded draft class. Mods need to shut this down

Why would they laugh at that offer?

 

[pld459666]

Why not?

Better chance of winning with the Rangers.

Don't see that changing anytime soon.

 

[Overrateprospects]

Why would they laugh at that offer?

Because it’s an insulting offer. Canes thing is because it was a move spite Habs and Jesperi Kotkaniemi was pissed at Habs for being benched during Finals. He was joining a winning organization that had few of his countrymates getting away from a toxic environment

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Better chance of winning with the Rangers.

Don't see that changing anytime soon.

Sometimes players care about making money too…

 

[pld459666]

Sometimes players care about making money too…

When was the last time a player signed an OS simply for the $$

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Because it’s an insulting offer. Canes thing is because it was a move spite Habs and Jesperi Kotkaniemi was pissed at Habs for being benched during Finals. He was joining a winning organization that had few of his countrymates getting away from a toxic environment

What's insulting about it? 6.1M seems like a lot.

Better chance of winning with the Rangers.

Don't see that changing anytime soon.

Devils have a pretty good young core themselves. And he would fit in perfectly.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

When was the last time a player signed an OS simply for the $$

Webber, Penner, Federov

 

[pld459666]

What's insulting about it? 6.1M seems like a lot.



Devils have a pretty good young core themselves. And he would fit in perfectly.

No denying that.

My personal bias doesn't see it happening.

Wearing my agents hat, if I were to counsel my client to signing an offersheet across the river, its for more than 6 per and at least 5 years in term.

That is proper incentive all things being equal in terms of teams ability to contend.

 

[pld459666]

Webber, Penner, Federov

I think Shea wanted to win more than anything and he also wanted to move the stalled negotiations along.

I'll concede on the other two

 

[Empoleon8771]

I don't know why Rangers fans are acting like they don't have cap problems going forward. They only have $8 million in cap space next year with some pretty significant holes (namely a 2C) and needing to sign Kakko, and they don't really have many options to open up additional cap space. If Kakko gets offersheeted for more than like $4 million, I don't see a way for the Rangers to reasonably match and fill out the rest of their roster.

But I think it's overall a moot point because I don't think any team will try to offersheet him. Kakko's not good enough now to get an offersheet and the Rangers haven't done anything to have other teams throw a retaliatory offersheet at Kakko.

No denying that.

My personal bias doesn't see it happening.

Wearing my agents hat, if I were to counsel my client to signing an offersheet across the river, its for more than 6 per and at least 5 years in term.

That is proper incentive all things being equal in terms of teams ability to contend.

Do you think he will command this kind of contract from the Rangers? I don't see a way to justify that Kakko would somehow need some massive offersheet to leave but would take a cheap deal to stay with the Rangers.

An agent's job is to get his players the most money they can. Kakko runs a risk (like every player) of getting injured and possibly missing out on the rest of his career earnings. I don't see a way to justify the claim that Kakko would need $30+ million guaranteed to leave the Rangers but would take a cheap deal to stay with the Rangers, that makes no sense.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

No denying that.

My personal bias doesn't see it happening.

Wearing my agents hat, if I were to counsel my client to signing an offersheet across the river, its for more than 6 per and at least 5 years in term.

That is proper incentive all things being equal in terms of teams ability to contend.

At 6.1M it's probably better to sign the 1 year deal than 5. Either you walk to UFA after the 1 year or get qualified for 6.1M again.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

I think Shea wanted to win more than anything and he also wanted to move the stalled negotiations along.

I'll concede on the other two

Looks like Nashville was coming off a 104 point season when he signed that so I dunno… seemed like the Preds were pretty good. It was a pretty big outrageous contract. Not sure he would have cared if it was on the moon.

 

[Overrateprospects]

What's insulting about it? 6.1M seems like a lot.



Devils have a pretty good young core themselves. And he would fit in perfectly.

1 year at 6.1 perhaps we should see how KK Canes situation plays out. Great money for one year but if a team wants him I’m sure he’s expecting more than 1 year security. He loves playing for NY and Buch trade was made in part to keeping him long term.


Devils might have a nice core but outside of 2018 they have been run pretty bad last decade. I don’t see Kakko signing an offer sheet with a bad team. Let’s say he does sign with Devils would you be okay that 2023 pick becoming Bedard?

 

[Albatros]

1 year at 6.1 perhaps we should see how KK Canes situation plays out. Great money for one year but if a team wants him I’m sure he’s expecting more than 1 year security.

Nothing insecure about being UFA in your early 20s.

 

[Empoleon8771]

1 year at 6.1 perhaps we should see how KK Canes situation plays out. Great money for one year but if a team wants him I’m sure he’s expecting more than 1 year security. He loves playing for NY and Buch trade was made in part to keeping him long term.


Devils might have a nice core but outside of 2018 they have been run pretty bad last decade. I don’t see Kakko signing an offer sheet with a bad team. Let’s say he does sign with Devils would you be okay that 2023 pick becoming Bedard?

Based on what? Players sign big money deals with bad teams literally all of the time.

Hell, Panarin signed a mega contract with the Rangers in 2019 after the Rangers were under .500 in 2018-2019 and the Rangers sent out the "we're rebuilding" letter in 2018.

 

[Avaholic29]

Yea Fox, Shesterkin, Lindgren, and Miller have all be so terrible, they need to learn how to develop their prospects because the 19 and 20 year old aren't stars in the NHL yet..

Fox played 3 full seasons in ncaa and came in as a hot commodity, also not a rangers prospect. Shesterkin played in the khl and put up crazy good numbers so although the rangers did well with playing him in the ahl for awhile before bringing him up, it was already clear he was capable of handling the net against men. Lindgren isn’t anything special so not sure why he’s brought up. Chytil, kakko and laf are a concern and you’d be foolish to deny that. The rangers lean way too much on the same guys in my opinion, kakko and laf won’t produce playing with other kids and never seeing pp time.

 

[Overrateprospects]

Based on what? Players sign big money deals with bad teams literally all of the time.

This is a one year deal…… I agree if Devils offer 7 years and 8.5 per I would take the offer if I were him even if that means the Devils give up for 4 1sts

 

[pld459666]

At 6.1M it's probably better to sign the 1 year deal than 5. Either you walk to UFA after the 1 year or get qualified for 6.1M again.

You will never convince me that 6+x6 not better than 6x1.

Can't predict the future, but you CAN protect it

 

[Empoleon8771]

This is a one year deal…… I agree if Devils offer 7 years and 8.5 per I would take the offer if I were him even if that means the Devils give up for 4 1sts

Speaking hypothetically, if the Rangers were offering something like 3x3 while the Devils were offering 6x6 for Kakko, Kakko would almost definitely sign with the Devils.

You're grossly overestimating how much money other teams need to offer a player to get them to sign elsewhere. It's probably a moot point because teams don't usually throw around offersheets, but the idea that he'd need this massive deal to leave but won't demand a massive deal from the Rangers to stay makes no sense.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Nothing insecure about being UFA in your early 20s.

This precisely.

 

[93LEAFS]

Speaking hypothetically, if the Rangers were offering something like 3x3 while the Devils were offering 6x6 for Kakko, Kakko would almost definitely sign with the Devils.

You're grossly overestimating how much money other teams need to offer a player to get them to sign elsewhere. It's probably a moot point because teams don't usually throw around offersheets, but the idea that he'd need this massive deal to leave but won't demand a massive deal from the Rangers to stay makes no sense.

Considering he might not even have to move to go to the Devils and at worst its a slight move within the same metro region.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

You will never convince me that 6+x6 not better than 6x1.

Can't predict the future, but you CAN protect it

Why? 1 year gives the player a lot more flexibility, and then either he becomes a UFA or gets qualified for another 1x6.1M.