Value of: JT Miller for the 2nd OA pick- What additions would be needed

[ZDH]

NJD publicly expressed they are ready to be competitive and are open to trading their 1st round pick. This was of course when they thought they were drafting around 5th instead of 2nd.

However, lets just humor the idea that NJD hasnt changed their stance and are tired of always drafting high and want to be competitive now and not risk the reality of having their core grow into a losing culture.

What would a a trade look like with the foundation of Miller ( extended) for 2nd OA pick.

NJD and Canucks (Miller) were linked to many many reports of trade talks between the 2 franchises this year.

Miller, 29 yrs old is an Alpha leader that plays with an edge and I can see him being the perfect type of player to lead the young skilled NJD core.


To Van
2nd OA

to NJD
MIller - extended

Who adds and what are those additions.

"Who adds"

 

[nergish]

he had a great 2021-22 season

that does not make him "one of the best players in the league", sorry. He isn't top 10 or top 20 and its not even close.

He’s been ppg since he came to Vancouver, while providing physicality, leadership, and whatever other intangibles.

Really getting sick of hearing it’s a one-off, it’s not. He’s just a late bloomer. Easily a top 30 player in this league.

 

[Bettman Returnz]

he had a great 2021-22 season

that does not make him "one of the best players in the league", sorry. He isn't top 10 or top 20 and its not even close.

True! But it does make him a top 10 goalie in the league… those are also hard to come by.

 

[Hammman]

he had a great 2021-22 season

that does not make him "one of the best players in the league", sorry. He isn't top 10 or top 20 and its not even close.

Not gonna argue a specific placement, but he's twelfth in points over the span of 3 seasons. It's not just one season.

 

[seanlinden]

#1. Miller cannot even resign before the draft.

#2. Why is Miller willingly signing in New Jersey?

#3. Why on earth would NJ give up a 2nd overall pick, where the "basis" of the return is a 29 year old player, who's contract is almost certainly going to be UGLY long term.

I get that NJ might put that pick on the table, but when they philosophically do so, they don't do it to get a 30 year old player. They do it with the hope of getting somebody that is 22-24ish.

 

[BlueSeal]

I’m weird, I feel like the value is there but gotta add something to like, like 1st and 2nd kind of thing. What are their needs?

 

[the paisanos guy]

On this site, if time travel was a thing, the player picked with an absolute consensus as first overall isn't worth the first overall pick.

Not that New Jersey should make this trade, but I truly feel that people on here would argue McDavid was worth less than the first round pick used to draft him.

McDavid now is worth less than an 18 year old McDavid, yes. What's hard to understand here?

 

[Cogburn]

McDavid now is worth less than an 18 year old McDavid, yes. What's hard to understand here?

My argument was that 18 year old, freshly drafted McDavid is some how worth less then the pick that was used to pick him 3 minutes ago, at least according to HF logic.

 

[bellringer77]

How about something worked around Tyler Bertuzzi as frame work. Obviously that's not enough

 

[AfroThunder396]

2nd OA + Blackwood for Demko + Hoglander + 15th OA

 

[Bettman Returnz]

Canucks will not be trading Demko, period. Not even for 2nd overall. Pass. Devils should look elsewhere for a goalie. Get into a bidding war for Gibson (with the leafs).

 

[Fatass]

2nd OA + Blackwood for Demko + Hoglander + 15th OA

Where is Miller in this idea?
2OA for Miller + 15OA?

 

[AfroThunder396]

Where is Miller in this idea?
2OA for Miller + 15OA?

NJ doesn't want Miller.

 

[Fatass]

NJ doesn't want Miller.

That’s what the thread is about though. Miller for 2OA and additions.
Jersey, in this thread, gets Miller.
If they could extend Miller he’d be a perfect fit with their smaller (not overly aggressive) forwards.

 

[DraiInSeiderKuch]

Miller is 30, he has maybe two or three years left. Anyone that signs him long term will regret it and he's not worth the 2nd overall pick

 

[AfroThunder396]

That’s what the thread is about though. Miller for 2OA and additions.
Jersey, in this thread, gets Miller.
If they could extend Miller he’d be a perfect fit with their smaller (not overly aggressive) forwards.

The deal is terrible and no NJ or neutral fans think it's reasonable, so people are discussing other possible scenarios.

Trading premium draft capital for a 29 year old with one year left on his contract is a non-starter and would be a fireable offense for any GM.

Miller is too old and too expensive for NJ. He's going to want an extension somewhere in the 8-9M AAV range and that's way too much to give an aging player who will be in his 30's for the majority of that contract and was a glorified 2nd liner for most of his career.

Any deal for Miller is going to be as a rental.

 

[Fatass]

The deal is terrible and no NJ or neutral fans think it's reasonable, so people are discussing other possible scenarios.

Trading premium draft capital for a 29 year old with one year left on his contract is a non-starter and would be a fireable offense for any GM.

Miller is too old and too expensive for NJ. He's going to want an extension somewhere in the 8-9M AAV range and that's way too much to give an aging player who will be in his 30's for the majority of that contract and was a glorified 2nd liner for most of his career.

Any deal for Miller is going to be as a rental.

Which is why a Miller + 15OA for 2OA was suggested. Jersey gets Miller and still a decent first.

 

[wavaxa2]

Zero percent chance that the Canucks are looking to trade Miller (or Demko or Hughes or any quality roster player) for picks. They are looking to add and compete, not blow it up. It's an interesting hypothetical to discuss, but it just ain't gonna happen.

 

[Canucks LB]

Vancouver adds a lot. Man is Miller ever overrated.

So let's get this straight.
As a Rental, Okay sure, NJD would pass for sure.
But if it's a Sign and trade?
Getting a 3 positional gritty forward 99 point player for a 2nd overall pick in one of the worst drafts arguably in a decade, is not fair value?

Come on, People overrate draft picks so much here, its getting criminal

 

[Canucks LB]

JT Miller is certainly not "one of the best players in the league"

Watch more hockey in the past few years

 

[Cheddabombs]

Just as Fitzgerald has publicly said he's willing to trade the 2nd overall pick, he's also said multiple times that he wants to add players to the team that fit the core's timeline well. Personally, I do not think Miller does.

I don't think a player like that, one that both fits the Devils' long-term needs and may be worth the 2nd overall pick (Devils could add too though), is really available. So I'm perfectly fine with keeping the pick.

 

[Bettman Returnz]

It’s mind boggling all the miller hate. Is he a top 10 player in league, probably not but he’s definitely in the top 25 conversation. Any team who ends up getting him, will love his play.

I am going to chop up the disapproval because of a) his part performance/ character when on rangers… b) west coast and overshadowed by the McDavid’s of the world and/or c) teams trying to downplay his importance in order to somehow get a better/discounted deal (or wanting their team to not spend a ton for a 29yr old which could be signalling the end of a rebuild so no more excuses )… could be all the above.

 

[Canucks LB]

It’s mind boggling all the miller hate. Is he a top 10 player in league, probably not but he’s definitely in the top 20/25 conversation. Any team who ends up getting him, will love his play.

I am going to chop up the disapproval because of a) his part performance/ character when on rangers… b) west coast and overshadowed by the McDavid’s of the world and/or c) teams trying to downplay his importance in order to somehow get a better/discounted deal (or wanting their team to not spend a ton for a 29yr old in fear their rebuild is actually over and there’s no more excuses) could be all the above.

You would have though watching him in the playoffs a few years ago would open some eyes for a lot of people out east, But here we are.

JT Miller is probably the most underrated Star forward in the league, People still think hes the same player he was 4 years ago when he got basically zero PP opportunity.

 

[devils29]

Someone who isn’t 30 and a UFA in a year

 

[HBK27]

So let's get this straight.
As a Rental, Okay sure, NJD would pass for sure.
But if it's a Sign and trade?
Getting a 3 positional gritty forward 99 point player for a 2nd overall pick in one of the worst drafts arguably in a decade, is not fair value?

Come on, People overrate draft picks so much here, its getting criminal

First off, does the possibility of a sign and trade even exist? Can someone confirm when a player with one year left one his deal is eligible to sign an extension? Is that before or after the draft?

Even if it is an option, the trade still makes zero sense for the Devils. They would likely have to overpay on term and/or AAV to get Miller to agree to the sign & trade and he's at the age where you expect his play to start declining soon. Even with Miller in the fold, the Devils are unlikely to be serious contenders in the next 2-3 seasons when Miller is still in his prime. It would be an extremely short-sighted trade and completely out of line with the stated goal of building a contender around the timeline of the core pieces already in place (Hughes, Nico, Bratt, Hughes, etc.).