BB88
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By the sounds of it JT Miller is by far the best player of the mix so he should be the last one out….
Value of: JT Miller for the 2nd OA pick- What additions would be needed
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By the sounds of it JT Miller is by far the best player of the mix so he should be the last one out….
Jerzey Devil
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It’s not ignorant to not know about every issue a team on the opposite side of the continent is having. Regardless of how often you talk about them. It is ignorant to assume everyone does or should though.
You're not wrong about him being the best at the moment, Petey is still developing, but he is also going to be the most expensive to resign, is the oldest, and will return the most (assuming we're not trading Pettersson) of our forwards, and we need futures in a bad way.
Your deleted comment (I got flagged for responding in kind) wasn't about knowledge, but not caring to learn or care in general. Two minutes on capgeek before posting isn't too much to ask. Proudly declaring you refuse to even do this is willful ignorance.
Jerzey Devil
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BB88
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But as you say he’s the oldest and that’s where the problem is.
This should be Devils last high pick for a very long time, they aren’t going to trade it for a plyer who at best has 2-3 elite years left.
Devils aren’t ready to win now& when they could they’d be stuck with a very expensive contract.
Bettman Returnz
Why so serious?
From the sounds of it he’s willing to resign a more affordable contract (and stick around for a while). Not to mention is our captain.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't think New Jersey has any reason to trade their second overall. I'm replying to the value of Miller being ragged on, when his stats and play on some awful Canucks teams have been quite good.
I guess I wasn't the only one to sit on his keys...
The return for Miller would be higher, he's older, Horvat was drafted here (two GMs ago, mind you) and is our captain, and Horvat would be less expensive to retain.
Vancouver adds - any narcotic known to cause impaired thinking to Tom Fitzgerald's coffee.
That should get it done.
Disagree! Miller will fetch a first as well as a blue chip prospect and a decent roster player. If it is second overall, perhaps throw in Severson and will call It a done deal for Miller.
Meh. I could suggest VAN adding more than makes sense but does that really make a difference? Miller is an excellent player and maybe a veteran team that lucked into the second pick with a shrinking window woukd move the puck for Miller and some sort of cap equalization but even then my guess is VAN woukd have to add something. Beyond that a young team still trying to find its footing shouldn’t be adding guys they can’t extend immediately.
Bettman Returnz
Why so serious?
There’s not a lot of teams forking over better options, for the record. Likely the pick gets kept. Not often do these high picks bring you the player of your dreams (in trade form).
Eggtimer
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Only way I can see the Devils trade the pick is if there is a somewhat crazy overpay.
Example - Pastrnak , DeBrincat , Meier , Hellebuyck ,Tkachuk
Some I listed would take more than just the Devils pick. Pick plus another prospect or player.
Example - Pastrnak , DeBrincat , Meier , Hellebuyck ,Tkachuk
Some I listed would take more than just the Devils pick. Pick plus another prospect or player.
Bettman Returnz
Why so serious?
Would assume any team trading a top end pick would have agreed to a contract extension. Otherwise, you’re right we wouldn’t be getting a trade like that. Be closer to a rental return.
Off all these I can only maybe see debrincat moved as blackhawks may be rebuilding.. all the others likely stay put.. maybe Meier. But trading #2 pick straight up would be kind of crazy for a winger.
Trade doesn’t make any sense for NJ. It just doesn’t make sense to trade the 2nd overall pick for an impending UFA unless they’re trying to make a push for the playoffs and want to acquire the best player available.
Another thing I would like to mention that is quite hilarious is the double standards on this site.
Johnny Gaudreau: 222 points in last 208 games played - 10th in points scored in the last 3 years: Superstar elite first line winger
JT Miller: 217 points in last 202 games played - 12th in points scored in the last 3 years: overrated bum who doesn’t have the type of value Canucks fans think he has, a donkey
I get that Canucks games happen after a lot of your guys’ bedtimes, but take a minute to maybe watch the player, get to know his game, and stop living in the past. Today’s price is not yesterday’s price, JT Miller is an elite player.
(This is not a shot at Gaudreau, but an attempt to put things into perspective)
Johnny Gaudreau: 222 points in last 208 games played - 10th in points scored in the last 3 years: Superstar elite first line winger
JT Miller: 217 points in last 202 games played - 12th in points scored in the last 3 years: overrated bum who doesn’t have the type of value Canucks fans think he has, a donkey
I get that Canucks games happen after a lot of your guys’ bedtimes, but take a minute to maybe watch the player, get to know his game, and stop living in the past. Today’s price is not yesterday’s price, JT Miller is an elite player.
(This is not a shot at Gaudreau, but an attempt to put things into perspective)
Panthaz89
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This is even worse than the Fiala to Sabres trade thread.... rebuilding teams that aren't even looking to upgrade forwards all that much and want goaltending+defense definitely don't want to spend their picks on more forwards.
Canucks should try to move into the top-10 but honestly I don't see the point in giving up a ton of assets to do that.
They should try to use Miller to get an unprotected pick in an upcoming draft. Prefer that to a guaranteed late pick.
They should try to use Miller to get an unprotected pick in an upcoming draft. Prefer that to a guaranteed late pick.
there is no single nj devils fan in this thread, who says the devils need or should want jt miller. like 90% of vancouver fans are willing to trade miller. and still the asking price from those vancouver fans is rising with every post.
jt miller is a no for the devils. you can dream about the second oa pick, but he is not in play for miller.
jt miller is a no for the devils. you can dream about the second oa pick, but he is not in play for miller.
ColbyChaos
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You call him a 99 pt player as if that production is something he consistently puts up and not a one off. He has only 2 seasons where he hit more than 60pts.
You would have to be smoking the craziest Ganja to think 2nd overall is a good trade for a 30 yearold who just hit his peak. Miller isn’t gonna make the devils win the cup in the next 3 or so years but Slaf or Jiricek would help more over the next decade.
Connor McConnor
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What did an extended Stone get?
Stone was/is better than Miller. I really could care less about one big season when guys like Kadri and Huberdeau were also putting up 100 points.
Vancouver really thinks one great year of Miller is going to get them a Superstar haul, it's funny. We'll come back to this thread when they get way less than all of you thought.
ColbyChaos
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Average players can have fluke years look at Nick Foligno lol Miller has 2 seasons with more than 60pts
bandwagonesque
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Miller hasn't just had one big season -- He finished 17th in NHL scoring in 2019-2020
Kadri didn't put up 100 points. Also, Huberdeau was 2nd in the NHL in scoring this season. You're cherry-picking the highest-scoring players this season whose production the fewest people would have predicted, then implying this is evidence this season was somehow an aberration in which players' production was less tied than usual to their actual value, but you aren't actually supplying any argument for this conclusion and instead seem to be hoping it superficially makes sense to people reading it.
