Value of: John Gibson at the draft

[The Mighty Duck Man]

He may falter, if he is pressured in a high-pressure environment like a Canadian team, just as Luongo has been.

Gibby once went to go pick up his stick from behind the net when the play was ongoing in the bottom of the Ducks' zone. In the Western Conference final. In overtime. I don't think he knows what pressure is.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Nothing but you’re stating that just because he’s in a low pressure environment, he has to do good, regardless of the team in front of him. You didn’t state that but you certainly implied it\

And I don’t buy that at all. He has had some great moments as a duck with a good team in front of him and I just think people are dismissing his talent because of a few bad years on a bad team

He's had some good defense in front of him, especially with Lindholm and Manson, yet he played badly. He has had some low-tier statistics, and I think he has certainly lost his touch.

I do wish he would play better, though.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Gibby once went to go pick up his stick from behind the net when the play was ongoing in the bottom of the Ducks' zone. In the Western Conference final. In overtime. I don't think he knows what pressure is.

You mean, Andersen.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

You mean, Andersen.

Huh?

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Huh?

Andersen in 2015, when they met Chicago in the Conference Finals.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

Andersen in 2015, when they met Chicago in the Conference Finals.

Andersen was the starter in those playoffs when they met the Blackhawks in the Western final, yes. Why'd you bring him up? Surely you're not suggesting that I, the Ducks fan, mixed the two of them up when referring to a very specific story about one of them(Gibson). Surely not, right?

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Andersen was the starter in those playoffs when they met the Blackhawks in the Western final, yes. Why'd you bring him up? Surely you're not suggesting that I, the Ducks fan, mixed the two of them up when referring to a very specific story about one of them(Gibson). Surely not, right?

Well, I don't know if you're a Ducks fan, since I know you're from Saskatoon, not from Anaheim or Los Angeles.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

Well, I don't know if you're a Ducks fan, since I know you're from Saskatoon, not from Anaheim or Los Angeles.

My god. I don't know if you're a real person with responses like this.

Anyway, you should've gotten the hint by now, I was very much talking about Gibson.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

My god. I don't know if you're a real person with responses like this.

Anyway, you should've gotten the hint by now, I was very much talking about Gibson.

Okay. So, you're saying Gibson can withstand pressure in Canadian teams as well?

 

[Puckstuff]

Mrazek+1st+ for Gibson. His stock is way down. He would only get moved if the ducks value the massive salary relief and a 1st. If they are expecting top prospects or multiple picks I would have no interest at his large cap hit.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Okay. So, you're saying Gibson can withstand pressure in Canadian teams as well?

He had more big games under his belt by age 24 than most goalies have in their entire career. This whole schtick you have going is just silly and repeating it 20 times in this thread is getting weird.

You might be the most frequent poster in this thread, have you even watched the guy play more than a game or two?

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

He had more big games under his belt by age 24 than most goalies have in their entire career. This whole schtick you have going is just silly and repeating it 20 times in this thread is getting weird.

You might be the most frequent poster in this thread, have you even watched the guy play more than a game or two?

So, what exactly do you mean by "big games"? Tell me.

 

[flyerslducks]

Okay. So, you're saying Gibson can withstand pressure in Canadian teams as well?

Apparently no one can, right? Lmao

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Apparently no one can, right? Lmao

Not many. A few can.

 

[AfroThunder396]

NJ for 1st + Holtz & Bernier?

Absolutely no way, three years ago I would have probably done this but I'm not giving up Holtz + a top-5 pick for a goalie who has had Gibson's injury and consistency issues. His stats the last 3 years are barely on par with Mackenzie Blackwood's.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

So, what exactly do you mean by "big games"? Tell me.

A Ducks poster literally just told a story about him being cool as a cucumber in the WCF which was a lengthy and successful playoff run (and you tried to correct him and say it was Andersen as though you remembered the play). He was stellar as a 20 year old rookie pro in both the NHL and AHL. Lights out at every international event, and in every single playoff run at every level with the exception of the four game round one sweep where San Jose utterly dominated the Ducks in every facet.

Your theory holds no weight, stop trying to be the loudest voice in the room with this completely false narrative. If there are concerns about Gibson moving forward, they are due to his recent performance and not some random idea that he can't handle pressure. It's literally the opposite - he's playing like he doesn't give a heck likely because of the lack of pressure to compete.

 

[FlyingLeafus]

Seems like they should hang on to him until his numbers start matching his talent level, otherwise Ducks fans will just be disappointed with the return. Regardless of Gibson's skill that contract is risky because goaltending is voodoo, contenders cant afford to take that on without hard evidence of recent success(not saying eye test is worth nothing here but with with only eye test to go off of GMs will not give up premium assets, they will leverage this in a negotiation). The bad attitude/compete due to being on a losing team makes him less appealing, don't know why that keeps being brought up as a point in his favour.

I suppose someone may get desperate and overpay, but the NTC limits that further(likely no Canadian teams) lowering his value in a deal. Lots of time on the contract to turn things around though so might as well let him play to increase his value if you believe him to have that ability, which many Duck fans seem to. Unless you feel he is a depreciating asset (there is an argument to be made here as well)? What's his injury history like? That should be a factor as well.

 

[FlyingLeafus]

A Ducks poster literally just told a story about him being cool as a cucumber in the WCF which was a lengthy and successful playoff run (and you tried to correct him and say it was Andersen as though you remembered the play). He was stellar as a 20 year old rookie pro in both the NHL and AHL. Lights out at every international event, and in every single playoff run at every level with the exception of the four game round one sweep where San Jose utterly dominated the Ducks in every facet.

Your theory holds no weight, stop trying to be the loudest voice in the room with this completely false narrative. If there are concerns about Gibson moving forward, they are due to his recent performance and not some random idea that he can't handle pressure. It's literally the opposite - he's playing like he doesn't give a heck likely because of the lack of pressure to compete.

That's definitely a point in his favour, but that was 5 years ago. Nobody is questioning that his value was sky high in 2017. All of the question marks have arisen in the last few years, whether that can be unfairly attributed to the bad team in front of him or not. Combined with the hefty contract this theoretically hurts his value in any trade. Do you think Verbeek's trading acumen can account for this? Honest question, it's a pretty interesting situation to keep tabs on.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

That's definitely a point in his favour, but that was 5 years ago. Nobody is questioning that his value was sky high in 2017, all of the question marks have arisen in the last few years, whether that can be unfairly attributed to the bad team in front of him or not. Combined with the hefty contract this theoretically hurts his value in any trade. Do you think Verbeek's trading acumen can account for this? Honest question, it's a pretty interesting situation to keep tabs on.

If you read the conversation I wasn't attempting to sell or defend his current value at all. I'm responding to a poster who is spam posting a theory that Gibson can't handle a high pressure environment, by pointing out that he has mostly excelled in bigger games in the past.

It's pretty faulty reasoning to look at his career arc and suggest that his struggles may be due to some new found inability to handle pressure. That's all I was saying.

To answer your question, like I said earlier in the thread - teams employ pro scouts for a reason. While his value obviously won't be what it could have been five years ago, I guarantee that GMs/scouts etc don't write Gibson off the same way that random fans do when they check his stats and then come here to inform us about his value. Gibson still shows the world class talent on nights where it can make a difference, but has increasingly shown a tendency to sulk and mail it in when getting shelled. Both those points are painfully obvious to those of us watching him regularly.

 

[FlyingLeafus]

If you read the conversation I wasn't attempting to sell or defend his current value at all. I'm responding to a poster who is spam posting a theory that Gibson can't handle a high pressure environment, by pointing out that he has mostly excelled in bigger games in the past.

It's pretty faulty reasoning to look at his career arc and suggest that his struggles may be due to some new found inability to handle pressure. That's all I was saying.

To answer your question, like I said earlier in the thread - teams employ pro scouts for a reason. While his value obviously won't be what it could have been five years ago, I guarantee that GMs/scouts etc don't write Gibson off the same way that random fans do when they check his stats and then come here to inform us about his value. Gibson still shows the world class talent on nights where it can make a difference, but has increasingly shown a tendency to sulk and mail it in when getting shelled. Both those points are painfully obvious to those of us watching him regularly.

My bad, I assumed it was in the context of the thread topic. I think he's shown he's capable of handling pressure on the ice, maybe not as much off the ice if he were moved to a team with a large media presence.

The pro scouts will determine whether the player is worth targeting, and the GM will try to get the best deal they can if it's feasible. Based on all the various factors I don't think he brings back that much and it might not be worth it to move him unless he requests a trade. If Verbeek is willing to retain cap I would imagine that would open up the bidding a great deal and boost his value, but otherwise the return is likely disappointing. What sort of deal are you expecting realistically if he is traded at the draft? If he were willing to waive for Edmonton I think that would probably be the best bet for the most value (if cap were retained).

 

[WhatTheDuck]

My bad, I assumed it was in the context of the thread topic. I think he's shown he's capable of handling pressure on the ice, maybe not as much off the ice if he were moved to a team with a large media presence.

The pro scouts will determine whether the player is worth targeting, and the GM will try to get the best deal they can if it's feasible. Based on all the various factors I don't think he brings back that much and it might not be worth it to move him unless he requests a trade. If Verbeek is willing to retain cap I would imagine that would open up the bidding a great deal and boost his value, but otherwise the return is likely disappointing. What sort of deal are you expecting realistically if he is traded at the draft? If he were willing to waive for Edmonton I think that would probably be the best bet for the most value (if cap were retained).

I can agree that there may be more value in keeping him unless he demands a trade. If the context is that the Oilers or some other team are targeting Gibson and offering enough to make the Ducks consider moving him - I'd expect a return somewhere the same neighborhood of the Lindholm deal. If there is a trade demand then probably less.

 

[franste Perreault]

With Getzlaf retirement, Anaheim will not rebuild they have enough young players to add some key players to make the playoff next year. But if they want to deal Gibson, I really think Colorado will be interested if they can agree to put Kuemper under contract. Edmonton Toronto can be a good place for Gibson. The price will depend when they trade him.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

No doubt Gibson gets traded at the draft. Ducks would get a nice return.

 

[Chayos]

No doubt Gibson gets traded at the draft. Ducks would get a nice return.

The Oilers will be in there like a dirty shirt.

To Ducks:

Skinner
Broberg/Bourgault/Holloway(Ducks choice)
2022-1st
Kassian/Barrie/Smith(Ducks choice)

Or

Puljujarvi
Kassian/Barrie/Smith(Ducks choice)
1st-2022

 

[Arthur Morgan]

This argument doesn't really work when the Leafs haven't been able to get out of the first round. Simply replacing those players isn't enough to get the team over the hump.

Signing Tavares was a huge mistake, and the Leafs are still paying for it.

What do you mean by paying for it exactly?
I mean who knows maybe not signing Tavares changes anything and they still havent gotten out of the 1st round
but it seems like Toronto is still a top team in the league so just curious what you mean they are paying for it

and for the record I agree he was a mistake, I was excited as anyone would be when they signed him but I knew it would give us trouble down the road however Dubas imo has done a good job putting together a competitive roster with the cap space he's been left with in this Flat-Cap Era