Value of: John Gibson at the draft

[McSuper]

He hasn’t been on a good team for 3 years now too. He’s a stud

GAA for a goalie is effected by a bad team . Save percent is 90% on the goalie . There also other stats that show he is below average right now . all in all I do think he rebounds some on a better team but I do not see him putting up his godly numbers like he did 4 years ago . At his cap hit there is some risk for an acquiring team and that needs to be migrated . Either by retaining or by taking a less desirable contract back .

Some of the ask from the Oilers were crazy . Holloway + Broberg + 1st + which I would gladly paid if he was putting up the numbers he did 4 years ago but lets face if he he was putting up those numbers I doubt he would be traded to Edmonton .

I say he is worth a 1st + a bluechip prospect + Cap going back .

 

[Eggtimer]

With Getzlaf retirement, Anaheim will not rebuild they have enough young players to add some key players to make the playoff next year. But if they want to deal Gibson, I really think Colorado will be interested if they can agree to put Kuemper under contract. Edmonton Toronto can be a good place for Gibson. The price will depend when they trade him.

To me , Getzlaf retiring means they are more likely to rebuild than go for it ? Maybe I’m looking at it wrong. I wonder who Getzlaf retiring influenced Gibson’s desire to stay or be moved ?

 

[ManofSteel55]

I actually don't think Edmonton has interest in Gibson. They need a goalie obviously but that cap hit is a killer. U think they would rather go after a guy like Kuemper who will be a bit less expensive if he comes available. Holland has spent most of his career running with average goalies that don't make top doller.I don't think that will change now. Anaheim isn't going to retain, but maybe with Kassian included we could talk.

1st, Lavoie, Kassian and Smith for Gibson. Gives Anaheim a 1st and a good prospect along with 2 depth guys that are overpaid but fill areas of need.

 

[Trojans86]

Gibson's an interesting case. He's mostly just reputation at this point. In a bigger market than Anaheim he might be a cap dump but because it's a smaller market it's not well known how poor he's been the last few seasons.

Ducks will get a decent return for him, but I sure wouldn't want to be the team gambling high end assets on him.

A cap dump? Sorry but you are crazy. Anyone watching understands the obscure amount of crazy high quality shots he faces. Yes he gets frustrated and when he is frustrated he just doesnt appear to give the effort but the idea that he is a cap dump us just crazy. He literally was an all star this year based on when the team was playing well to start the season. No doubt in my mind when the team rebounds again his stats will rebound again.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

I actually don't think Edmonton has interest in Gibson. They need a goalie obviously but that cap hit is a killer. U think they would rather go after a guy like Kuemper who will be a bit less expensive if he comes available. Holland has spent most of his career running with average goalies that don't make top doller.I don't think that will change now. Anaheim isn't going to retain, but maybe with Kassian included we could talk.

1st, Lavoie, Kassian and Smith for Gibson. Gives Anaheim a 1st and a good prospect along with 2 depth guys that are overpaid but fill areas of need.

Wow, how could the Ducks pass that offer up? Sorry, but that’s a pretty terrible offer and your analysis of it is just as terrible. Come on, you should feel bad.

Mike Smith, a depth player? He’s a 40 year old goalie who’s bad, with another year left on his contract. He’s a complete cap dump who has negative value and doesn’t fill any needs whatsoever . You surely can’t be serious trying to pass him off as someone that fills a need for them, can you? Kassian is also a dump, albeit one that actually does fill a need with Des gone.

Those two dumps alone, with 3 years left between them, will cost you that first and Lavoie.

So, with those two pieces covering the cost to dump those contracts, where’s the actual value coming back for Gibson? Lavoie is not enticing, btw, even if you don’t include the two cap dumps.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Would genuinely be curious to get Panthers fans opinions on Gibson after last night.

I don't think there are more than 3-5 other goalies on the planet capable of getting their team a point in that game.

 

[GermanPanther]

I use one comment from a Poster from our Board Side.

Its the best Goalie preformance i seen in a while this Season.
And i would go with him, he really did anything for the Team and with every step and safe he made you saw in his Face how many more did i have to face and save.
On the other Side i would say 50-65% of the Chances was Glove Side and that Gibson has a real good Glove is well known. Also on some scene his refelexes, was insane, he played 200%.
The puck deflected his blade what he did, he jump and let him fall on the Ice so someone can keep the Puck out.
After the 2-2 when he get up his Body reaction said anything, also his look on the Player who turned the Puck over in OT.
But beside that also Ducks Defensive Game was very good, the gave Gibson, for a lot of Shots, clear View.

This Goalie has still the will and hunger to battle for. In my Opinion are the Ducks current the wrong one for him.

 

[Gliff]

Put Gibson on a team like Colorado and he would be getting Vezina consideration ever year, just like he did when the Ducks were good.

 

[banks]

This Leafs fan would give a TON for Gibson. That's a move that could set up the team for long-term success.

He's a player worth discussing a Nylander trade for.

 

[Eggtimer]

It’s insane how much variance there is when evaluating Gibsons value . It’s hard because his pedigree and past performance shows he is or was elite . However, the past three years , his numbers are not encouraging at all . He is getting out played by Stolarz playing behind the exact same team . I get that maybe Gibsons motivation or lack their of may effect his play but still … it’s risky trading for him if he is indeed in decline and is now an average goalie with term and a high cap hit .
Who knows though , maybe he can turn it around on a different team and get back to his former ability . It’s risky to trade for him and see if that can happen .

 

[ManofSteel55]

Wow, how could the Ducks pass that offer up? Sorry, but that’s a pretty terrible offer and your analysis of it is just as terrible. Come on, you should feel bad.

Mike Smith, a depth player? He’s a 40 year old goalie who’s bad, with another year left on his contract. He’s a complete cap dump who has negative value and doesn’t fill any needs whatsoever . You surely can’t be serious trying to pass him off as someone that fills a need for them, can you? Kassian is also a dump, albeit one that actually does fill a need with Des gone.

Those two dumps alone, with 3 years left between them, will cost you that first and Lavoie.

So, with those two pieces covering the cost to dump those contracts, where’s the actual value coming back for Gibson? Lavoie is not enticing, btw, even if you don’t include the two cap dumps.

You seem to miss the entire point of the post, where Holland isn't going to have interest in Gibson because of his contract. The premise of my post was to point out the type of offer it would take for Holland to look at a contract that big instead of going the cheap route again. It was never intended to be a "fair" offer for Gibson, as I don't think Holland will make one. So sit down and stop preaching.

 

[FlyingLeafus]

It’s insane how much variance there is when evaluating Gibsons value . It’s hard because his pedigree and past performance shows he is or was elite . However, the past three years , his numbers are not encouraging at all . He is getting out played by Stolarz playing behind the exact same team . I get that maybe Gibsons motivation or lack their of may effect his play but still … it’s risky trading for him if he is indeed in decline and is now an average goalie with term and a high cap hit .
Who knows though , maybe he can turn it around on a different team and get back to his former ability . It’s risky to trade for him and see if that can happen .

It probably comes down to how much of a bidding war the Ducks manage to drum up for him, which is heavily dependent on which teams are on his NTC.

 

[Gliff]

It’s insane how much variance there is when evaluating Gibsons value . It’s hard because his pedigree and past performance shows he is or was elite . However, the past three years , his numbers are not encouraging at all . He is getting out played by Stolarz playing behind the exact same team . I get that maybe Gibsons motivation or lack their of may effect his play but still … it’s risky trading for him if he is indeed in decline and is now an average goalie with term and a high cap hit .
Who knows though , maybe he can turn it around on a different team and get back to his former ability . It’s risky to trade for him and see if that can happen .

Anyone who says Stolarz has outplayed Gibson the whole season is showing they just watch stats. If this was the case wouldn't Ducks fans, who actually watch the games, be clamoring for Stolarz to be the starter?

 

[Eggtimer]

It probably comes down to how much of a bidding war the Ducks manage to drum up for him, which is heavily dependent on which teams are on his NTC.

I’d have to think my Devils would at the very least inquire. They have the assets . Just a matter of the NTC and if the Devils think he can be the goalie he was and capable of being

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I’d have to think my Devils would at the very least inquire. They have the assets . Just a matter of the NTC and if the Devils think he can be the goalie he was and capable of being

He’s from Pitt, so I assume jersey would be an option…. Prob also likes where devils are as a team… really should be a playoff team next year

 

[lwvs84]

It’s insane how much variance there is when evaluating Gibsons value . It’s hard because his pedigree and past performance shows he is or was elite . However, the past three years , his numbers are not encouraging at all . He is getting out played by Stolarz playing behind the exact same team . I get that maybe Gibsons motivation or lack their of may effect his play but still … it’s risky trading for him if he is indeed in decline and is now an average goalie with term and a high cap hit .
Who knows though , maybe he can turn it around on a different team and get back to his former ability . It’s risky to trade for him and see if that can happen .

If you ignore the work load and the teams they tend to face and only look at the stats without context, yes he's out played by Stolarz. Gibson tends to play against the top teams, Stolarz might get a few games against lower end playoff teams, but mostly non playoff teams. It's also easier to stay focused for a full game when you aren't left out on your own every night. 12 of his 20 starts are against non playoff teams. In those other 8 starts, Stolarz has given up 3 or more goals 6 times against playoff teams.

 

[Eggtimer]

Anyone who says Stolarz has outplayed Gibson the whole season is showing they just watch stats. If this was the case wouldn't Ducks fans, who actually watch the games, be clamoring for Stolarz to be the starter?

I don’t know . Like you said I am just going off of stats as it’s usually a good indicator of what’s going on . I also don’t follow other teams forums . I was just going off of what others have said where all indications point toward Gibson getting outplayed . It still raises some questions though as others GMs I’m sure would use the same information to try to come to conclusions instead of seeing what fans think on how the better goalie is/ was

 

[Black N Gold]

The Ducks are in a full on rebuild, that was made very clear this season when Manson, Rakell and Lindholm were traded at or near the deadline.

You have to wonder how John Gibson feels about that, is he OK going through a rebuild? and if he isn't and he does want to move on what could he get at the draft?

the market for goaltending going into the summer does seem rather limited

it's Edmonton, Toronto, Probably Buffalo /but I doubt he'd go there, maybe Vergas because Vegas is always in on everything.

But realistically it would appear to be Toronto, Edmonton and Buffalo.

A lot of teams will be in on John Gibson at the draft...if he is available !!

 

[Eggtimer]

If it wasn’t another 5 years ( Is that correct?) , I’m sure a lot of teams would inquire. However that’s a long time to invest in a goalie. If he was pplaying like he was 3 years ago . Every team but ones with vezina candidates in net already would inquire

 

[Gliff]

I don’t know . Like you said I am just going off of stats as it’s usually a good indicator of what’s going on . I also don’t follow other teams forums . I was just going off of what others have said where all indications point toward Gibson getting outplayed . It still raises some questions though as others GMs I’m sure would use the same information to try to come to conclusions instead of seeing what fans think on how the better goalie is/ was

No offense, by why in the world would you think just watching the stats is the best indicator of a goalie's abilities? I guess Grubauer just forgot how to play goalie after having some of the best stats in the NHL last year, or maybe a good goalie on a bad team is going to have bad stats.

And do you really think it is appropriate to make statements about who is better when you don't watch the team play? You point at what others are saying but why do you think they are any different then you and just watching stats? Ducks fans are not trying to dumb Gibson and 99% would not say Stolarz is outplaying him. The only think Ducks fans will consistently say about Gibson is his attitude is visibly shitty when the team leaves him out to dry.

If it wasn’t another 5 years ( Is that correct?) , I’m sure a lot of teams would inquire. However that’s a long time to invest in a goalie. If he was pplaying like he was 3 years ago . Every team but ones with vezina candidates in net already would inquire

His contract is not bad at all. It is market value at worst and a complete steal when Gibson is at his best.
5 years until age 33, getting all of his prime.

 

[Eggtimer]

No offense, by why in the world would you think just watching the stats is the best indicator of a goalie's abilities? I guess Grubauer just forgot how to play goalie after having some of the best stats in the NHL last year, or maybe a good goalie on a bad team is going to have bad stats.

And do you really think it is appropriate to make statements about who is better when you don't watch the team play? You point at what others are saying but why do you think they are any different then you and just watching stats? Ducks fans are not trying to dumb Gibson and 99% would not say Stolarz is outplaying him. The only think Ducks fans will consistently say about Gibson is his attitude is visibly shitty when the team leaves him out to dry.


His contract is not bad at all. It is market value at worst and a complete steal when Gibson is at his best.
5 years until age 33, getting all of his prime.

Yes it’s a good deal . IF he plays like he can or has before .
I don’t know what the Ducks think , but if he is available , I don’t see why they would give up a stud #1 on a good contract unless they as well question if his level of play and if it has dropped off .
I’m not shitting on him . I really like him as a goalie . I’m just saying his value is hard to gauge with how his numbers have looked the past two years and I don’t think it’s crazy to have at least a little concern about how hood he is still .

 

[Gliff]

Yes it’s a good deal . IF he plays like he can or has before .
I don’t know what the Ducks think , but if he is available , I don’t see why they would give up a stud #1 on a good contract unless they as well question if his level of play and if it has dropped off .
I’m not shitting on him . I really like him as a goalie . I’m just saying his value is hard to gauge with how his numbers have looked the past two years and I don’t think it’s crazy to have at least a little concern about how hood he is still .

The only reason for the Ducks to trade him is if they feel Dostal is ready to take over (he isnt yet), they get an offer they can't refuse, or Gibson requests a trade.

 

[LuckyDucky]

Yes it’s a good deal . IF he plays like he can or has before .
I don’t know what the Ducks think , but if he is available , I don’t see why they would give up a stud #1 on a good contract unless they as well question if his level of play and if it has dropped off .
I’m not shitting on him . I really like him as a goalie . I’m just saying his value is hard to gauge with how his numbers have looked the past two years and I don’t think it’s crazy to have at least a little concern about how hood he is still .

The only reason this is even partially fathomable is because Gibson is 28. That along with the fact that the Ducks won’t be playoff contenders for at least 2 years and we have your answer.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

I didn’t miss anything. You made a terrible offer and are now spinning it as something different. If it were what you’re now saying it was, you wouldn’t have tried justifying it from an Anaheim perspective. If you didn’t want to be called out on it then maybe you shouldn’t have posted it.

You seem to miss the entire point of the post, where Holland isn't going to have interest in Gibson because of his contract. The premise of my post was to point out the type of offer it would take for Holland to look at a contract that big instead of going the cheap route again. It was never intended to be a "fair" offer for Gibson, as I don't think Holland will make one. So sit down and stop preaching.

 

[PatLaFontaineASMR]

No offense, by why in the world would you think just watching the stats is the best indicator of a goalie's abilities? I guess Grubauer just forgot how to play goalie after having some of the best stats in the NHL last year, or maybe a good goalie on a bad team is going to have bad stats.

And do you really think it is appropriate to make statements about who is better when you don't watch the team play? You point at what others are saying but why do you think they are any different then you and just watching stats? Ducks fans are not trying to dumb Gibson and 99% would not say Stolarz is outplaying him. The only think Ducks fans will consistently say about Gibson is his attitude is visibly shitty when the team leaves him out to dry.


His contract is not bad at all. It is market value at worst and a complete steal when Gibson is at his best.
5 years until age 33, getting all of his prime.

Paying 6.4M to a goalie that has been below average / horrible the last few years is a bad contract. He's got the 5th highest cap hit out of all goalies.