Value of: John Gibson at the draft

[LuckyDucky]

So if you could make a expansion team through a fantasy draft , do you think Gibson would be the one of the first 5 goalies taken? Three years ago yes but not sure now.
Shesterkin
Vasilevsky
Saros
Markstrom
Hellebuyck
Sorokin
Jarry

Then I’d consider the youngsters like Knight etc.and others like Keumper giving him a run for his money

No, but that is not what @ManofSteel55 is saying.

 

[ManofSteel55]

So if you could make a expansion team through a fantasy draft , do you think Gibson would be the one of the first 5 goalies taken? Three years ago yes but not sure now.
Shesterkin
Vasilevsky
Saros
Markstrom
Hellebuyck
Sorokin
Jarry

Then I’d consider the youngsters like Knight etc.and others like Keumper giving him a run for his money

You might want to read my post over again.

Spring break must have started early.

 

[PatLaFontaineASMR]

Again, reading comprehension and understanding basic elementary school grammar is important. Do I really need to explain how quotation marks work and what they are for?

So you don't think that the team sucks & defense sucks and he's still a top 5 goalie despite that? You can't clearly imply something and then backpedal all the way back.

 

[dracom]

So you don't think that the team sucks & defense sucks and he's still a top 5 goalie despite that? You can't clearly imply something and then backpedal all the way back.

this is so sad lol.

ManofSteel is using quotes because they're saying what some Ducks fans have said about Gibson. they are not saying he is.

 

[PatLaFontaineASMR]

this is so sad lol.

ManofSteel is using quotes because they're saying what some Ducks fans have said about Gibson. they are not saying he is.

Bro reread what he wrote. I'm asking him if that's what he thinks. That's what he clearly implies from his previous comments. Jesus.

 

[TommyDangles]

Gibson has got to be one of the most overrated players in the league

 

[dracom]

Bro reread what he wrote. I'm asking him if that's what he thinks. That's what he clearly implies from his previous comments. Jesus.

Bro take the L.

They never said he was, that's the whole point of the quotation marks lol.

 

[PatLaFontaineASMR]

Bro take the L.

They never said he was, that's the whole point of the quotation marks lol.

What do you think the word imply means?

 

[ManofSteel55]

What do you think the word imply means?

You inferring something incorrectly doesn't mean someone else implied it. You clearly need to work on your reading comprehension.

 

[Lainestache]

Bro reread what he wrote. I'm asking him if that's what he thinks. That's what he clearly implies from his previous comments. Jesus.

I've been lurking here for years and just recently thought about making an account.. And to never reply or talk to anyone. But i just have to. Thick as a

 

[PatLaFontaineASMR]

You inferring something incorrectly doesn't mean someone else implied it. You clearly need to work on your reading comprehension.

Are you going to answer the question or no?

Do you think Gibson is a top 5 goalie despite the team in front of him & the bad defense?

Of course you don't answer lmao. I didn't infer it incorrectly when it's what you actually believe.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

I think Ducks will trade both Gibson and Fowler at the draft
then their rebuild is finally complete.

Time to go with Lukas Dostal

They will put Drysdale to #1 position and
i will strongly believe that they will bring Zellweger straight up
to the line up, he will be 19 when the next season begins,
i have a good feeling that he will ace every camp
and will earn his spot from the team, he is that good.

No Getzy, no Perry, the youth have finally arrived
to every key forward position.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Are you going to answer the question or no?

Do you think Gibson is a top 5 goalie despite the team in front of him & the bad defense?

You truly don't understand how confused you are and it's hilarious.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I think Ducks will trade both Gibson and Fowler at the draft
then their rebuild is finally complete.

Time to go with Lukas Dostal

They will put Drysdale to #1 position and
i will strongly believe that they will bring Zellweger straight up
to the line up, he will be 19 when the next season begins,
i have a good feeling that he will ace every camp
and will earn his spot from the team, he is that good.

No Getzy, no Perry, the youth have finally arrived
to every key forward position.

I think we’ll prob keep fowler… his contract + ntc makes him very hard to move. I’d be shocked if fowler was moved.


Gibson sure, move him for another 1st +, and let dostal stolarz and a potential goalie in a gibson trade take the reigns.


Hopefully we can have another strong draft, and maybe make a play on a guy like burakovky tkachuk or fiala, to add to zegras mctavish terry

 

[Gliff]

I think Ducks will trade both Gibson and Fowler at the draft
then their rebuild is finally complete.

Time to go with Lukas Dostal

They will put Drysdale to #1 position and
i will strongly believe that they will bring Zellweger straight up
to the line up, he will be 19 when the next season begins,
i have a good feeling that he will ace every camp
and will earn his spot from the team, he is that good.

No Getzy, no Perry, the youth have finally arrived
to every key forward position.

Fowler may be the least likely Duck to be traded outside of Zegras, Terry, and Drysdale.

He is the only top 4 defensemen on the team.
He may be overpaid by a little bit for a #2 at his best and 3 at his worst, but he doesnt have a bad contract.
His NTC means the Ducks will basically get no value for him.

 

[Eggtimer]

Sorry for bringing this up again. What would the Devils need to get Gibson and Comtois?
Or if that’s too much going on , just Gibson ?
Can any of these pieces work ? Not as main pieces but as a base ?
Zacha , Ty Smith , Foote , Bahl , Boqvist , Johnson , Tatar . Later part is a bunch of meh
Can’t trade the first this year as it will be too 5 pick .

 

[McVespa99]

What has that contract really cost us/

Kadti? you mean the absolute idiot that has gotten himself suspended in the playoffs 3 of the last 4 years costing his team the series in at least 2 of those?

Hyman? Bunting has been better than Hyman ever was here

Conor Brown? I do miss him but even he isn't that big of a loss

I would suggest to you that the Tavares contract hasn't cost them a thing that they haven't been able to replace and in most cases upgrade on.

Your suggestion would be wrong. Hyman, Brown, and Kadri are exactly what TO needs badly now. What GM wouldnt trade Tavares for those 3?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Your suggestion would be wrong. Hyman, Brown, and Kadri are exactly what TO needs badly now. What GM wouldnt trade Tavares for those 3?

it's not wrong though

Tabares cost us Kadri

so what? he's been suspended in the playoffs 3 of the past 4 years costing his teams at least 2 of those series, he's an idiot.

Tavares cost us Hyman

so what? Bunting has come in and been better here than Hyman ever was at about 15% the cost

Tavares cost us Brown this one is the best argument but even here it hasn't actually cost anything because the Leafs are the #2 offense in the league Brown would be a bottom 6 guy Toronto just like he was when he was here that's not to say I wouldn't like to have him back but him not being here has not hurt the depth.

In fact the Leafs are deeper now than they were when he was here.

so no, the Tavares contract has cost them nothing they haven't either replaced with cheaper more effective players

or simply don't need

 

[McVespa99]

it's not wrong though

Tabares cost us Kadri

so what? he's been suspended in the playoffs 3 of the past 4 years costing his teams at least 2 of those series, he's an idiot.

Tavares cost us Hyman

so what? Bunting has come in and been better here than Hyman ever was at about 15% the cost

Tavares cost us Brown this one is the best argument but even here it hasn't actually cost anything because the Leafs are the #2 offense in the league Brown would be a bottom 6 guy Toronto just like he was when he was here that's not to say I wouldn't like to have him back but him not being here has not hurt the depth.

In fact the Leafs are deeper now than they were when he was here.

so no, the Tavares contract has cost them nothing they haven't either replaced with cheaper more effective players

or simply don't need

You need a guy like Kadri. Too bad your culture couldnt keep him on track

 

[Kurtz]

Your suggestion would be wrong. Hyman, Brown, and Kadri are exactly what TO needs badly now. What GM wouldnt trade Tavares for those 3?

Kadri was not traded due to salary cap issues, but rather because of suspensions. Independent of JT move. Hyman and Brown have been more than adequately replaced, and wing is a strength for the team.

 

[keglu]

Ducks fans: Gibson plays behind a bad team you can't look at his stats

The rest of us: plenty of goaltenders have put up decent numbers behind bad teams over the past twenty years, why is Gibson incapable of doing so if he is so talented?

Ducks fans: do you even watch the games, bro?! Your argument is irrelevant!

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Exactly this
I just checked and Gibson is 20/27 in SV% around goalies with 40+ games
At the same time Stolarz is Top5 among backups while playing behind same defence.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

I have an extremely hard time determining Gibson's value, and wouldn't really trust anyone who isn't basically an expert in goaltending assessment because it's the most difficult thing to do in this sport, as far as that kind of thing goes.

He could be worth a top 10 pick to some, a cap dump to others. Onne season he could be among the best, the next season among the worst. The world of goaltending is so much different than the rest of hockey...

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Exactly this
I just checked and Gibson is 20/27 in SV% around goalies with 40+ games
At the same time Stolarz is Top5 among backups while playing behind same defence.

Wow, you're absolutely right.

Why not pick up Stolarz, then?

Or might there be more to it?

 

[TommyDangles]

Wow, you're absolutely right.

Why not pick up Stolarz, then?

Or might there be more to it?

Stolarz has better stats, but backup goalies usually get more favorable matchups.

48% of Stolarz games have been against playoff teams

65% of Gibson games have been against playoff teams

 

[Eggtimer]

I have an extremely hard time determining Gibson's value, and wouldn't really trust anyone who isn't basically an expert in goaltending assessment because it's the most difficult thing to do in this sport, as far as that kind of thing goes.

He could be worth a top 10 pick to some, a cap dump to others. Onne season he could be among the best, the next season among the worst. The world of goaltending is so much different than the rest of hockey...

Yes , I agree. I am torn on what his value is. Are you getting a below average goalie with a high cap hit for 5 more years that’s in the decline or are you getting someone who with a change in scenery plays his ass off and is a top 5-10 starter in the league ? Huge variance and is very hard to know what you will get and decide if his contract is worth the gamble. If he doesn’t work out , you are kinda screwed with that contract unless another GM thinks he will rebound once again if he’s put in a different situation.
In this case , his reputation as an elite goalie holds a lot of value , almost to a fault . However, if he does play like he has in the past , you are gettig ine of the best goalies in the world ….