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Confirmed with Link: Jake Walman to Edmonton for F Carl Berglund and Conditional 1st

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BaileyMacTavish said:
Berglund is a nothing prospect. Mike burnt the house down while cooking. At least the 1st is nice but I feel so whelmed. It is just so easy to be cynical about this team 24/7
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It’s actually hard to be cynical 24/7 about getting a 1st, 2nd, and 50 games of top pairing D play for free.
 
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OrrNumber4 said:
When the stats agree with me, look at the stats! When the stats don't agree with me, the stats are not accurate.

This is playing tennis without the net.
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Walman couldn't get a permanent spot in the NHL until he was the age that Ferraro is now. He was one of the worst defensemen in the league by any measure just last season. Is that the real Walman, or is the real Walman the guy we saw for a few weeks in October and November?
 
Hodge said:
Walman gives the puck away in higher-leverage situations than someone like Ferraro or Ceci. When Ferraro and Ceci give the puck away it's usually because they went glass-and-out or flipped the puck into the neutral zone or worst case rimmed it around the boards to an opposing defenseman. In all these situations the Sharks are typically in good defensive position so the resulting scoring chances are unlikely to be grade-A.

Walman's giveaways are far more often the result of him trying to skate through the opposing team or taking a stupid risk at the offensive blueline or just inexplicably turning it over in the dzone against minimal pressure. I fundamentally disagree that Walman's occasional good breakout passes or power play production outweighs his liabilities unless you can carve out a specialized offensive role for him on a blueline with 5 other guys who can actually defend. He has also been flat out horrible since returning from his injury, just like he was all of last season in Detroit, so it's hard not to come to the conclusion that the first 20 games this year were a fluke.
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Again, you have literally no evidence of what you're claiming other than your memory, which is heavily-influenced by your frankly irrational hatred of Walman. If Walman were "flat-out horrible", then why are his metrics so good?

Yes, Walman's first 20 games this season, where he literally played like a legitimate #1D, were a fluke, and he has regressed to what he is: a solid #4D, which is all anyone is claiming he is.

In the end, getting just a late 1st for Walman feels pretty underwhelming considering the prices worse players have gone for at this deadline. Our D is back to being bottom-pairing guys, journeymen, and AHLers, and we have to now go shopping for four (4) new top-4 defensemen this offseason. Tall task if you ask me.
 
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Hodge said:
Walman couldn't get a permanent spot in the NHL until he was the age that Ferraro is now. He was one of the worst defensemen in the league by any measure just last season. Is that the real Walman, or is the real Walman the guy we saw for a few weeks in October and November?
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I know there's more context than this, but it's strange people are papering over this very real reality because Walman was better than Thrun or whatever.

I dont think anyone is unhappy with this trade, but we should all be f***ing ecstatic right now. I think EDM fans are going to hate him come playoff time.
 
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Hodge said:
Walman couldn't get a permanent spot in the NHL until he was the age that Ferraro is now. He was one of the worst defensemen in the league by any measure just last season. Is that the real Walman, or is the real Walman the guy we saw for a few weeks in October and November?
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I think he's likely a mid-pairing defenseman on a very solid contract. He was the best defenseman on the Sharks.

I agree he made mistakes and bad reads, but he was the only blueliner pushing pace offensively. I'm sympathetic to his struggles since he had to carry the load for the team.
 
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Juxtaposer said:
Again, you have literally no evidence of what you're claiming other than your memory, which is heavily-influenced by your frankly irrational hatred of Walman. If Walman were "flat-out horrible", then why are his metrics so good?

Yes, Walman's first 20 games this season, where he literally played like a legitimate #1D, were a fluke, and he has regressed to what he is: a solid #4D, which is all anyone is claiming he is.

In the end, getting just a late 1st for Walman feels pretty underwhelming considering the prices worse players have gone for at this deadline. Our D is back to being bottom-pairing guys, journeymen, and AHLers, and we have to now go shopping for four (4) new top-4 defensemen this offseason. Tall task if you ask me.
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Was he a solid #4D in 2023-24? Was he a solid #4D for the first 5 years of his professional career when he couldn't crack a NHL lineup?

You expect me to believe this guy is a solid #4D based on a 50 game sample size that he put together at 29 years old?
 
OrrNumber4 said:
I think he's likely a mid-pairing defenseman on a very solid contract. He was the best defenseman on the Sharks.

I agree he made mistakes and bad reads, but he was the only blueliner pushing pace offensively. I'm sympathetic to his struggles since he had to carry the load for the team.
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Why? he rose to the occasion for long enough to gain interest from a contender. Months earlier a team paid to get rid of him. Sounds like he did his part in rehabbing his image; nothing to offer sympathy for
 
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Was he a solid #4D in 2023-24? Was he a solid #4D for the first 5 years of his professional career when he couldn't crack a NHL lineup?

You expect me to believe this guy is a solid #4D based on a 50 game sample size that he put together at 29 years old?
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He was at worst a solid 4D in 2022-2023.
 
OrrNumber4 said:
I think he's likely a mid-pairing defenseman on a very solid contract. He was the best defenseman on the Sharks.

I agree he made mistakes and bad reads, but he was the only blueliner pushing pace offensively. I'm sympathetic to his struggles since he had to carry the load for the team.
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There's two sides to carrying the load for a team like this in that he received offensive opportunities and leeway that no other team in the league would have given him.

To a large extent I don't care what his stats look like this year. He's 29 years old, was drafted 12 years ago and just hit 200 career NHL games this season. Can we stop ignoring his long history of failure before coming to the Sharks?
 
OrrNumber4 said:
My guess is that Grier "chose" between Ferraro and Walman. Right now, Ferraro, Desharnais, Mukhamadullin, Liljegren, Thrun, Vlasic, and Thompson are your 7 presumptive defensemen, at least pre-draft.

Then come the hypotheticals. Will they draft Schaefer (the broadcast hinted that the Sharks are targeting him)? Can they put together the assets for a premium young defenseman via trade? Or, can they take some cap dumps for the third season in a row? Who will they sign in free agency? How do the prospects (Cagnoni, Dickinson, etc.) look during TC and preseason?
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While this would not be my choice (I'd still dump both - neither is a good player), I think this is correct. He knew he had a logjam of LHD down the road and traded one. Whether he traded Walman because he liked Ferraro more or because Walman would bring more in return we don't know.
 
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JoeThorntonsRooster said:
He was at worst a solid 4D in 2022-2023.
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Before regressing the next season to the point that he was healthy scratched when the Red Wings made their playoff push and then cap dumped.

This is a 29 year old player who has - being generous here - maybe 100 games of resembling a NHLer across his entire career to date. Nobody has any idea what he'll look like next season.
 
Hobocop said:
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Carl Berglund - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Carl Berglund, 2000-01-16 Hammarö, SWE Sweden. Most recently in the AHL with Bakersfield Condors. Complete player biography and stats.
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Carl Berglund is 25, played for the Bakersfield Condors as a fourth liner mostly (12 points in 45 GP).

So not really a "prospect." But hey, first rounder is nice.
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Four years UMass-Lowell. Not surprised.

TheBeard said:
Why people were expecting Lavoie or O’Reilly in addition to a first is beyond me.
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