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Hodge said:
Thank you for admitting you made it up.
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What I've learned, if anything, about the Jake Walman trade

Two days after the deal we are still trying to figure out exactly what happened.
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"Never called around the league": NHL insider Frank Seravalli offers new insight into Red Wings' trade to Sharks involving $10.2M defenseman

San Jose Sharks defenseman Jake Walman was traded this offseason from the Detroit Red Wings along with a 2024 second-round draft pick.
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jarr92 said:
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What I've learned, if anything, about the Jake Walman trade

Two days after the deal we are still trying to figure out exactly what happened.
www.shapshotshockey.com www.shapshotshockey.com
www.sportskeeda.com

"Never called around the league": NHL insider Frank Seravalli offers new insight into Red Wings' trade to Sharks involving $10.2M defenseman

San Jose Sharks defenseman Jake Walman was traded this offseason from the Detroit Red Wings along with a 2024 second-round draft pick.
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From the second article: "There were teams that would’ve paid less or some would’ve even considered taking on Walman for free, I’m told, had Steve Yzerman put in the work and made the phone calls. You’re paying for someone to take him, not giving him away"

So at best he may have had zero value. Going from that to getting a 1st+ for him 60 games later is insane and Grier should be laughing all the way to the bank.
 
Hodge said:
From the second article: "There were teams that would’ve paid less or some would’ve even considered taking on Walman for free, I’m told, had Steve Yzerman put in the work and made the phone calls. You’re paying for someone to take him, not giving him away"

So at best he may have had zero value. Going from that to getting a 1st+ for him 60 games later is insane and Grier should be laughing all the way to the bank.
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And from the first they say that the talk among people around the league was that if yzerman actually put walman on the market teams would of traded assets for him and not taken the sweetner that yzerman attached.

You talk about ilers being bad at assesing talent, but yet some how think yzerman did the only good thing with offloading walman by attaching a 2nd round pick to the deal. When it would of been much better just to waive him.
 
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Hodge said:
"Widely reported" yet you can't provide a single link. All Seravalli said is that other teams would have taken his contract for a smaller sweetener than a 2nd, not that anyone was willing to trade positive value assets for him.
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"The other puzzling thing is that Yzerman apparently didn’t shop Walman around a ton. Based off some of my conversations and reading reports from others, there were multiple teams that would have been interested in actually trading something for Walman."

- What I've learned, if anything, about the Jake Walman trade

""Basically, this is a good young defenceman who they had to send a sweetener with and got nothing back in return. That says to me that Steve Yzerman felt he had to make this deal," Friedman said. "It's like one of those logic puzzle games. ... If A equals B and B equals C, then A equals C, and I'm still trying to figure out what that middle step is. To me, it says that Yzerman's got something cooking, he's got something he wants to do and it's on all of us to figure out what that is."

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Anomie2029 said:
"The other puzzling thing is that Yzerman apparently didn’t shop Walman around a ton. Based off some of my conversations and reading reports from others, there were multiple teams that would have been interested in actually trading something for Walman."

- What I've learned, if anything, about the Jake Walman trade

""Basically, this is a good young defenceman who they had to send a sweetener with and got nothing back in return. That says to me that Steve Yzerman felt he had to make this deal," Friedman said. "It's like one of those logic puzzle games. ... If A equals B and B equals C, then A equals C, and I'm still trying to figure out what that middle step is. To me, it says that Yzerman's got something cooking, he's got something he wants to do and it's on all of us to figure out what that is."

- NHL Rumour Roundup: Could Lightning's Stamkos test free agent waters?
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Did you even read that Friedman quote? He says nothing about Walman having positive value.

So we're going off some substack rando's "conversations" to establish that other teams would have traded anything for him.
 
Hodge said:
Did you even read that Friedman quote? He says nothing about Walman having positive value.
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Oh yeah, I forgot when being described as a "Good young defenceman" it actually means "a bum".

The point of the quote is that the trade only made sense if there was a need to get rid of the contract for a bigger move. There was no bigger move - thus making no sense.
 
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Anomie2029 said:
Oh yeah, I forgot when being described as a "Good young defenceman" it actually means "a bum".

The point of the quote is that the trade only made sense if there was a need to get rid of the contract for a bigger move. There was no bigger move - thus making no sense.
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Based on Friedman's opinion, not any actual reporting. Believe it or not Friedman is not the arbiter of player value - the market is.
 
Anomie2029 said:
The market that Yzerman didn't go to?

Or the market now?
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We have no idea whether or not Yzerman talked to other teams about Walman. The only concrete reporting we have from a reliable source is Seravalli saying some teams may have accepted a lesser sweetener or potentially taken Walman for free. Teams talk to each other about each other's players all year long. You seriously think Yzerman didn't have a reasonable idea of Walman's value when he made that trade?
 
Hodge said:
We have no idea whether or not Yzerman talked to other teams about Walman. The only concrete reporting we have from a reliable source is Seravalli saying some teams may have accepted a lesser sweetener or potentially taken Walman for free. Teams talk to each other about each other's players all year long. You seriously think Yzerman didn't have a reasonable idea of Walman's value when he made that trade?
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I think you could have Yzerman himself coming out and saying it and you would cast doubt.

But if we rely on that the market is the value, then guess what - Walman has extremely positive value now, far more than any other Sharks Dman.
 
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I think you could have Yzerman himself coming out and saying it and you would cast doubt.

But if we rely on that the market is the value, then guess what - Walman has extremely positive value now, far more than any other Sharks Dman.
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Or the Oilers are run by extremely stupid people who are on a catastrophic run of bad decisions unlike anything we've seen in years.
 
Pinkfloyd said:
You'll think that but not think it's possible that Yzerman is at least capable of making a stupid decision?
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There's far less evidence of Yzerman being incompetent. At worst the stupid decision Yzerman made was trading the 53rd overall pick when he may have been able to dump Walman on waivers. Pretty much irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
 
Hodge said:
There's far less evidence of Yzerman being incompetent. At worst the stupid decision Yzerman made was trading the 53rd overall pick when he may have been able to dump Walman on waivers. Pretty much irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
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By what metric? Even with that, any GM is capable of being an idiot from time to time just because they may not like a player.
 
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By what metric? Even with that, any GM is capable of being an idiot from time to time just because they may not like a player.
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The pick is extremely unlikely to turn into a NHLer. So even if he could have dumped Walman for a 4th or for nothing it's just not that big of a deal.

Meanwhile, the Oilers pissing away their cap space on Skinner, Arvidsson and Henrique then losing Broberg and Holloway is a disaster that will hurt them for the next decade if not longer.
 
Hodge said:
The pick is extremely unlikely to turn into a NHLer. So even if he could have dumped Walman for a 4th or for nothing it's just not that big of a deal.

Meanwhile, the Oilers pissing away their cap space on Skinner, Arvidsson and Henrique then losing Broberg and Holloway is a disaster that will hurt them for the next decade if not longer.
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But it still pretty well indicates that Yzerman mis-valued Walman even if it won't have a lasting impact. I don't think 32 points in 50 games as our #1 is really the difference between needing to be paid a 2nd to take him and getting a 1st for moving him. And given the market for recent top four-ish defensemen, Walman's is pretty well in line with comparable players and the original dump was poorly valuing him.
 
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Even though i write for a living, I can't find the words to describe why I am happy Walman is gone w/r/t his on-ice play. He has the Bouchard-esque style to his skating where it looks like he isnt trying, maybe that's it. So then when he makes a mistake it appears twice as furstrating because i think he isn't giving full effort (even though he could be).

Then we see flashes of greatness, but never sustained periods, so that raises expectations to a level he never reaches.

I really can't put words to it, but so much about his play style is just not what we need long term, and i hate being nebulous with that description!
 
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