Confirmed with Link: Jake Walman to Edmonton for F Carl Berglund and Conditional 1st

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Who gives a shit about the playoffs? I've seen more than enough Sharks 1st, 2nd and 3rd round exits in years where they never had a realistic chance of winning it all. The last thing Grier should be doing is accelerating the rebuild to atone for DW's mismanagement. The only goal should be opening up a 5-7 year window where the Sharks are a consistent Cup favorite then actually winning the damn thing.

Bedard is miserable because he's being exposed as a souped up Alex DeBrincat and his dreams of a $100M post-ELC payday are slowly fading away. Not to mention he probably realizes he has no help coming - maybe Levshunov can be a #2 but he's not gonna single-handedly change their fortunes, Korchinski is looking like a bust, Nazar/Moore are smurfs, etc. We already have the makings of a much stronger young core than them between Celebrini, Smith, Eklund, Dickinson and Askarov. Add Schaefer and maybe Ethan Belchetz to that group and it will be really easy to assemble a Cup favorite around them.
Are you just not reading my post? I said I want to draft 5th overall next year, not 3rd and not 13th either. Belchetz is probably who goes 5th anyway.

Teams don't go from drafting 1st overall to the playoffs the following year. There's going to be some "mushy middle" years and we should start moving towards that.
 
Are you just not reading my post? I said I want to draft 5th overall next year, not 3rd and not 13th either. Belchetz is probably who goes 5th anyway.
But why? Wouldn't you rather have a 25% chance at McKenna, a 20% chance at Verhoeff and a 55% chance at whoever the next best player is? Isn't that far more likely to increase our expected odds of winning a Cup over the next 10 years than the confidence our young guys will allegedly gain by finishing 28th instead of 32nd?
 
But why? Wouldn't you rather have a 25% chance at McKenna, a 20% chance at Verhoeff and a 55% chance at whoever the next best player is? Isn't that far more likely to increase our expected odds of winning a Cup over the next 10 years than the confidence our young guys will allegedly gain by finishing 28th instead of 32nd?
If finishing last guaranteed drafting 1st overall, sure, I'd see the argument. But I'm not risking demoralizing and upsetting Celebrini with another year of this shit.

How many top-5 picks have the team that won Cups recent had? It's two, three tops. Because teams that sit in the cellar for five straight years don't go on to win Cups. Absolutely no Cup-winning teams drafted top-3 in three consecutive years--Colorado made the playoffs between drafting Mackinnon and Makar, Tampa made the playoffs between drafting Hedman/Stamkos and Drouin (who was traded for Sergachev).
 
BTW, bouvillier just went for a '25 2nd.

This is why i think the walman deal is a C-. a late '26 1st is not that much more valuable than a late '25 2nd.
A late '26 1st is absolutely a lot more valuable than a late '25 second.
1st > 2nd
2026 > 2025
Who gives a shit about the playoffs?
I don't care about the playoffs, but I also don't think we're going to go from "bottom of the barrel with top 3 picks" to "actual contender" without middle years, and no team has consistently been a bottom feeder for 4+ years and also built a winner. Closest is EDM and I know how you feel about that build and management team.

We have to start taking steps forward with a mix of the incredible youth prospects we have, and existing NHL players like Toffoli, Wennberg, and {gaping hole on defense}. Bottom 5 next year is a good step up, still get a high pick. Year after that maybe we sniff the wildcard but don't make it and we're still building. Every top 3 pick we make slides the window another year, because those guys almost universally will take 4-6 years to be ready to make an impact (actual impact, not promise of impact - Celebrini is going to be amazing but today he's not a league wide, cup winning impact player).
The only goal should be opening up a 5-7 year window where the Sharks are a consistent Cup favorite then actually winning the damn thing.
Absolutely, but the window keeps sliding if you keep adding one really amazing prospect who needs 4-6 years to come into his own and you only get 50-75% hit rates on them.

NJ is a good illustrative build. Lots of high picks, and we still have 2 years of that at least, but at some point you need to make progress for the good of the core players.
 
If finishing last guaranteed drafting 1st overall, sure, I'd see the argument. But I'm not risking demoralizing and upsetting Celebrini with another year of this shit.

How many top-5 picks have the team that won Cups recent had? It's two, three tops. Because teams that sit in the cellar for five straight years don't go on to win Cups. Absolutely no Cup-winning teams drafted top-3 in three consecutive years--Colorado made the playoffs between drafting Mackinnon and Makar, Tampa made the playoffs between drafting Hedman/Stamkos and Drouin (who was traded for Sergachev).
We have to account for the possibility that a top 5 pick or two might fail to become an impact player. Like maybe we end up with Martone this year and he never puts it all together. If it's Celebrini, Smith and Askarov leading us to a better spot in the standings that's one thing but otherwise I don't think it's smart to try and rush the process by signing a bunch of old expensive free agents who will demand a premium to play in SJ. We have a limited window as a basement team and need to maximize it by accumulating as many potential core pieces as possible. By all means bring in this year's version of Toffoli/Wennberg/Goodrow type vets and maybe even trade picks for a defenseman or two rather than settling for cap dump deals but any improvement should primarily be driven by the young guys.

I don't want the Sharks to end up like New Jersey who seem like they went all-in too soon bringing in guys like Hamilton, Timo, Siegenthaler, even going back to the Ryan Graves trade just to build a bubble playoff team with no clear path to becoming a top contender. Their only Cup-worthy core players are Hischier and injury-prone Jack Hughes and they're never going to finish low enough in the standings again to have a chance at drafting another one.
 
A late '26 1st is absolutely a lot more valuable than a late '25 second.
1st > 2nd
2026 > 2025

I don't care about the playoffs, but I also don't think we're going to go from "bottom of the barrel with top 3 picks" to "actual contender" without middle years, and no team has consistently been a bottom feeder for 4+ years and also built a winner. Closest is EDM and I know how you feel about that build and management team.

We have to start taking steps forward with a mix of the incredible youth prospects we have, and existing NHL players like Toffoli, Wennberg, and {gaping hole on defense}. Bottom 5 next year is a good step up, still get a high pick. Year after that maybe we sniff the wildcard but don't make it and we're still building. Every top 3 pick we make slides the window another year, because those guys almost universally will take 4-6 years to be ready to make an impact (actual impact, not promise of impact - Celebrini is going to be amazing but today he's not a league wide, cup winning impact player).

Absolutely, but the window keeps sliding if you keep adding one really amazing prospect who needs 4-6 years to come into his own and you only get 50-75% hit rates on them.

NJ is a good illustrative build. Lots of high picks, and we still have 2 years of that at least, but at some point you need to make progress for the good of the core players.
I've lost faith in NJ's build and have started to look at them as more of a cautionary tale. Hischier and Hughes is not enough to build a Cup winner around. Lots of good players on that team, they'll probably make the playoffs regularly during this window but nobody is scared of facing them. They need 1-2 more elite players and it's almost impossible to get those outside of the top of the draft.
 
We have to account for the possibility that a top 5 pick or two might fail to become an impact player. Like maybe we end up with Martone this year and he never puts it all together. If it's Celebrini, Smith and Askarov leading us to a better spot in the standings that's one thing but otherwise I don't think it's smart to try and rush the process by signing a bunch of old expensive free agents who will demand a premium to play in SJ. We have a limited window as a basement team and need to maximize it by accumulating as many potential core pieces as possible. By all means bring in this year's version of Toffoli/Wennberg/Goodrow type vets and maybe even trade picks for a defenseman or two rather than settling for cap dump deals but any improvement should primarily be driven by the young guys.

I don't want the Sharks to end up like New Jersey who seem like they went all-in too soon bringing in guys like Hamilton, Timo, Siegenthaler, even going back to the Ryan Graves trade just to build a bubble playoff team with no clear path to becoming a top contender. Their only Cup-worthy core players are Hischier and injury-prone Jack Hughes and they're never going to finish low enough in the standings again to have a chance at drafting another one.
Yes, we definitely do absolutely have to account for the fact that every rebuild has a Turcotte, Drouin, Jost, etc. So far (fingers crossed) it doesn't look like any of Eklund/Celebrini/Smith are that guy.

I also totally agree that improvement should be driven by the kids. But you need to support the kids in order for them to do that. You need a defenseman who can put up 50 points and be a legit PPQB, you need a defenseman who can handle tough minutes adequately so that the kids aren't chasing the puck all game. I'm not saying we should acquire vets to improve the team, I'm saying we should acquire vets to help the kids improve the team. Getting the defense version of Toffoli and Wennberg would absolutely be enough for me, I just don't think it's going to be easy and moving Walman makes it even more difficult.
 
I've lost faith in NJ's build and have started to look at them as more of a cautionary tale. Hischier and Hughes is not enough to build a Cup winner around. Lots of good players on that team, they'll probably make the playoffs regularly during this window but nobody is scared of facing them. They need 1-2 more elite players and it's almost impossible to get those outside of the top of the draft.
I'm in Denver and I think they've done it right, so I always look to the Avs. They hit on Byram too (good enough during the cup run anyway), they got incredibly lucky with Makar, but that's what it takes - before that, they were trying to build around their young core of MacKinnon, Landeskog, Rantanen. Freak of a year to draft 4OA. Lots of players brought in to try to build the necessary depth, and some high picks shipped out (Duchene). picked up Toews, lost Jost to mediocrity, got a great hit with Nichushkin (until the coke problem), had to add a 2C with Kadri and are still trying to solve that problem with the Nelson trade because Middelstadt didn't work out.

Long story short, they weren't relishing being at the bottom of the barrel for 6 years, which is what we would be doing if we're still in the DuPont lottery (going back to Eklund).

They have MacKinnon and Makar and (now Necas), even lost Landy, and that core is good enough that they can contend every year so long as they have goaltending and 2-3 more impact F's and D's, and not dog shit on depth.
 
I'm in Denver and I think they've done it right, so I always look to the Avs. They hit on Byram too (good enough during the cup run anyway), they got incredibly lucky with Makar, but that's what it takes - before that, they were trying to build around their young core of MacKinnon, Landeskog, Rantanen. Freak of a year to draft 4OA. Lots of players brought in to try to build the necessary depth, and some high picks shipped out (Duchene). picked up Toews, lost Jost to mediocrity, got a great hit with Nichushkin (until the coke problem), had to add a 2C with Kadri and are still trying to solve that problem with the Nelson trade because Middelstadt didn't work out.

Long story short, they weren't relishing being at the bottom of the barrel for 6 years, which is what we would be doing if we're still in the DuPont lottery (going back to Eklund).

They have MacKinnon and Makar and (now Necas), even lost Landy, and that core is good enough that they can contend every year so long as they have goaltending and 2-3 more impact F's and D's, and not dog shit on depth.
Colorado got lucky with Makar, frankly. It doesn't matter how "well" you do it if you don't get lucky. Rebuilds need luck, full stop.
 
There is no "obsessive rush to contend". There is "desire not to be the laughing stock of the NHL and that means having more than zero (0) top-4 defenseman, as we do now that we have traded Walman".
I dedicate this song to the number of top 4 defensemen we had before we traded Walman

 
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I don't think Grier is going to build a passable defense next season. I don't think that's the plan.

Our future passable defense is going to be primarily built internally. We've got a couple of years before we see it.
I would tweak this slightly.

Grier is going to try to have a passable defense next season. If he can't do better than the guys we got this year (all of which were defensemen that their previous team were DUMPING) then we'll get some vets that other teams are dumping, have a bad defense again, and fill in with youngsters when they're ready for their shot.

Our future above average defense is going to be primarily built internally and we've got probably two years before we see Dickinson in the lineup. Cagnoni possibly earlier than that if he gets an end of the year tryout here and does okay.
 
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I see the Sharks bundling these accumulated picks up for a Post Playoff/Draft Day Wheel and Deal to land some real players......someone have a tally on how many picks they have now?
just looking at the next 2 seasons. 16 total, 9 this summer.

2025
1st round (SJ, DAL)
2nd round (SJ, OTT)
3rd round (COL from Askarov trade)
4th round (WPG from Granlund trade - could be a 3rd, STL from Kunin trade)
5th round (COL)
6th round (none)
7th round (NJ)

2026
1st round (SJ, EDM)
2nd round (SJ, COL)
3rd round (none)
4th round (SJ, FLA)
5th round (none)
6th round (none)
7th round (SJ)
 
just looking at the next 2 seasons. 16 total, 9 this summer.

2025
1st round (SJ, DAL)
2nd round (SJ, OTT)
3rd round (COL from Askarov trade)
4th round (WPG from Granlund trade - could be a 3rd, STL from Kunin trade)
5th round (COL)
6th round (none)
7th round (NJ)

2026
1st round (SJ, EDM)
2nd round (SJ, COL)
3rd round (none)
4th round (SJ, FLA)
5th round (none)
6th round (none)
7th round (SJ)
Having four top-50 picks this year and four top-60 picks next year creates a TON of opportunities for Grier.

My hope is that he doesn't use all those on picks and instead starts this summer by using one or two of them to bring in a young-ish d-man who's either top-four now or in the near future. That would be a strong use of assets, especially because defensemen take longer to develop.
 
Having four top-50 picks this year and four top-60 picks next year creates a TON of opportunities for Grier.

My hope is that he doesn't use all those on picks and instead starts this summer by using one or two of them to bring in a young-ish d-man who's either top-four now or in the near future. That would be a strong use of assets, especially because defensemen take longer to develop.

He sort of suggested he’d be doing as much in his interview.
 
Hard to pass up on trading a bottom 4 defenceman having an anomaly of a year for a 1st. Robbery by Grier
I think both teams did well here.

Especially when you consider theres teams giving up 2nd round picks for #7 D like Luke Schenn.

Grier hosed Yzerman here.


His first 2 periods as an Oiler have been unreal, great passing, and IQ to make open ice hits by laying out Rantenen.
 
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I think both teams did well here.

Especially when you consider theres teams giving up 2nd round picks for #7 D like Luke Schenn.

Grier hosed Yzerman here.


His first 2 periods as an Oiler have been unreal, great passing, and IQ to make open ice hits by laying out Rantenen.
Well, you're getting Good Walman. We got a version of Walman that performed like a legit #1D for about 20 games at the beginning of this season before he regressed into what he is. Don't expect too much and Jake will be just fine.
 

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