Proposal: J.T. Miller to TOR

[Canucks LB]

Vancouver missed the most recent playoffs wdym?
Are you trying to compare nearly 30 year old JT miller with one year of term to jack Eichel locked in for 4 years? Now I know why these threads never go anywhere.
A first a top prospect a roster player and maybe an additional asset like a mid pick or another non top prospect would be a good haul for Vancouver.
Also the offer has 3 significant pieces. A first, a top 30 prospect and a middle 6 roster player who fills the hole created by the trade. Kerfoot is on pace for over 55pts while getting no pp time and is a real asset on the PK. But again, he’s a leaf so he sucks.

Eichel was a massive injury concern, He was getting Major Surgery, That was not done before in hockey players.
Nobody knows the effect of it, That's why his value was what he got.
So yes, I think JT Miller is worth just as much

 

[Nylanderthal]

https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/

You’re right I mixed up Knies and Niemela’s rankings. It’s hard to keep up with so many quality top prospects sometimes, especially when the nhl team is doing so well.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Eichel was a massive injury concern, He was getting Major Surgery, That was not done before in hockey players.
Nobody knows the effect of it, That's why his value was what he got.
So yes, I think JT Miller is worth just as much

A mid thirties nfl qb had the surgery and went on to two super bowl appearances afterwards. Jack was always going to be fine, and the surgery is nowhere near as controversial as made out to be.

 

[wetcoast]

This is horrible for the Canucks.

I guess that you aren't a fan of Matthew Knies then?

I get Canuck fans not liking it but I wonder what kind of return they are expecting for 1.5ish years of JT Miller?

 

[Canucks LB]

Miller is becoming so overrated

How in the world is he getting overrated? The guy has been getting literally better every month since these proposals started, And has been ridiculous recently.
He has been literally been everything and more for Vancouver.

 

[Canucks LB]

A mid thirties nfl qb had the surgery and went on to two super bowl appearances afterwards. Jack was always going to be fine, and the surgery is nowhere near as controversial as made out to be.

Again, That's your opinion.
His trade value reflects that people were concerned, He should have got more, no?

 

[Canuck Luck]

THW mid season rankings had Krebs at 18, Robertson at 20, Amirov 21 and Knies 40? I’m sure krebs would be higher valued but it’s not a great chasm, especially after the Olympic showing.

So lets equate those rankings as draft picks. Are you saying picking 20th overall doesnt have far more value than picking 40th overall? a 3rd or 4th rounder doesnt make up the value at all. Krebs is a A prospect, Knies is a B+ prospect. You wouldnt be able to get a Krebs level prospect for Knies without a major add

 

[habsfan44]

Well as someone who lives in Vancouver I can attest there’s a definite jealousy factor at play between the two cities, but it’s a one way street of little brother being jelly of big brother.

Saying it twice just makes it twice as ridiculous .

 

[Cogburn]

Knies currently ranks within the top 30 of nhl prospects, that by definition is a “top prospect” if you’re not a fan of Knies, Robertson ranked top 20…. But let me guess they’re leafs so they’re overrated

According to whom? Leafs fans?

 

[Nylanderthal]

Again, That's your opinion.
His trade value reflects that people were concerned, He should have got more, no?

No, NHL teams are reluctant to give up prime assets these days. Building through the draft and having built in depth to back fill roles is the only way to stay competitive long term. Sacrificing major assets for a good (he’s good, not great) player doesn’t make a lot of sense. I promise that you Canuck fans will be overwhelming disappointed with the return of you’re expecting more than these ranger and leaf offers

 

[Nylanderthal]

So lets equate those rankings as draft picks. re you saying picking 20th overall doesnt have far more value than picking 40th overall? a 3rd or 4th rounder doesnt make up the value at all. Krebs is a A prospect, Knies is a B+ prospect. You wouldnt be able to get a Krebs level prospect for Knies without a major add

Considering these are players drafted over a few seasons applying typical draft values to them isn’t relevant, but nice try.

 

[ole ole]

According to whom? Leafs fans?

Knies currently sits 54th in the rankings. He did acknowledge his mistake so go easy.
https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/

 

[Hodge]

I guess that you aren't a fan of Matthew Knies then?

I get Canuck fans not liking it but I wonder what kind of return they are expecting for 1.5ish years of JT Miller?

Not Kerfoot and Dermott that's for sure. If teams want Miller now they should have to pay through the nose. 1st plus two top prospects with no salary going back to Vancouver. If the asking price isn't met they can just keep him and try again at the draft or even sign him to an extension.

 

[Nylanderthal]

According to whom? Leafs fans?

THW mid season rankings.
I mixed up Knies and Niemela ranking wise, but the fact krebs gets his knob blown here endlessly and came in at 18 meanwhile the leafs have robertson and Amirov at 20&21 but are considered trash is pretty telling in bias around here.
Niemela is 29th, Knies was 54. A few teams didn’t have half that amount of players in the top half of the rankings.
Either way if the OP has replaced Knies with Amirov or Robertson the same conversation would be going on about how it’s not enough and blah blah blah

 

[shortfuze]

lmao Toffoli went for a 1st, 5th, Heineman and Pitlick
with my offer you get more picks, a better prospect, and ready NHLers that you can flip for picks.

No arguing the value of the trade but why should Vancouver flip the players for picks? Why doesn’t Toronto do it?

 

[Canuck Luck]

Considering these are players drafted over a few seasons applying typical draft values to them isn’t relevant, but nice try.

Then how do teams trade picks for players well after they have been traded? They assign draft values to the player. Fact still remains the majority of fans and executives in the NHL would not trade Krebs for Knies without a major add to the point its an overpayment.

Why trade the better asset for lesser quantity assets unless it exceeds the value of the quality.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Not Kerfoot and Dermott that's for sure. If teams want Miller now they should have to pay through the nose. 1st plus two top prospects with no salary going back to Vancouver. If the asking price isn't met they can just keep him and try again at the draft or even sign him to an extension.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

No, NHL teams are reluctant to give up prime assets these days. Building through the draft and having built in depth to back fill roles is the only way to stay competitive long term. Sacrificing major assets for a good (he’s good, not great) player doesn’t make a lot of sense. I promise that you Canuck fans will be overwhelming disappointed with the return of you’re expecting more than these ranger and leaf offers

I'm sorry, are you actually saying that Eichel's injury status played no role is what his trade value was?

 

[Nylanderthal]

No arguing the value of the trade but why should Vancouver flip the players for picks? Why doesn’t Toronto do it?

Because as of now Kerfoot fills an important role on the team, one that would be minimized with the addition of Miller and the possible infusion of Dzingel into the forward group.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Then how do teams trade picks for players well after they have been traded? They assign draft values to the player. Fact still remains the majority of fans and executives in the NHL would not trade Krebs for Knies without a major add to the point its an overpayment.

Why trade the better asset for lesser quantity assets unless it exceeds the value of the quality.

So the better prospect (krebs) got moved for the better player with better term, shocking.

 

[Cogburn]

Knies currently sits 54th in the rankings. He did acknowledge his mistake so go easy.
https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/

That's written by the Hockey Writers' Leafs guy, so I'm not wrong.

That's also removed anyone that's played 25 games or more.

 

[Nylanderthal]

I'm sorry, are you actually saying that Eichel's injury status played no role is what his trade value was?

It certainly did, but not to some ridiculous point where you think he’d of fetched tons more value

 

[Hodge]

What you and many others fail to realize is that Miller is not a pending UFA so there is no incentive for Vancouver to move him before this year's deadline unless the return is extraordinary. I'm not a Canucks fan but JTM is a star first line winger with a game built for the playoffs at a very reasonable cap hit that carries into next season - there is no better piece currently available on the trade market.

 

[Nylanderthal]

That's written by the Hockey Writers' Leafs guy, so I'm not wrong.

That's also removed anyone that's played 25 games or more.

So guys like Bunting (a rookie) Sandin and Liljegren who are playing roles on a top 5 team don’t count? Word.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

It certainly did, but not to some ridiculous point where you think he’d of fetched tons more value

So if he was perfectly healthy his return would have been relatively the same? A small add?