Proposal: J.T. Miller to TOR

[turkulad]

I'd want a little bit of really good instead a whole lotta pretty good. That's why this one doesn't fly.

 

[Gstank]

So what im getting from this thread is JT Miller is worth more than Eichel

Somehow in your mind Kerfoot > Tuch and Knives > Krebs? yikes

 

[CatchyTune]

From Toronto its going to cost you at least 2 1st, Knives, and another grade A prospect. and I doubt we take that offer because it doesnt fit any of our needs

1st + kerfoot + knies is okay but there better be another really good + here (1st or good prospect).

Somehow in your mind Kerfoot > Tuch and Knives > Krebs? yikes

These guys are asking for 2 1sts on top of that

 

[Mandalorian]

You're nothing

I think he was actually on your side lol, isn't nothing mean he is something, and so is Knies.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

OK wtf, am I in a world where miller is worth 3 1sts?
cmon Van fans. pull your head out of where ever you guys have it.

 

[habsfan44]

It’s a pretty easy question.. point to a comparable deal for a player like Miller then see the above return.

Here's a suggestion , make an offer that works for both teams not just the Leafs . A third liner , a bottom pairing defender and a bunch of maybe isn't it and I think you know that .

 

[Canuck Luck]

I'd love to see what the real deal will look like (if Vancouver actually trades him) as opposed to what fans think the deal will look like. I think this proposal is much closer to what Vancouver will get for JT Miller if they decide to trade him. GMs ain't going to give up top prospects for 2 playoff runs with this guy and the 2022 first round pick will be late anyway. You're not trading him to a lottery team. Be realistic. But, we shall see.

History says otherwise. Any player of Miller's caliber has netted a 1st + a top prospect or a 1st + a Knies level prospect +

More than what you'll actually get for Miller

You're right in the sense that if thats the best offer, Miller stays a Canuck. Kerfoot and Dermott hold 0 value to the Canucks. This trade to Canucks fans is essentially a 1st + Knies + 4th for Miller.

Idk why most Toronto fans get their panties in a bunch and cant wrap their heads around the fact that we dont care about Kerfoot or Dermott. You could take them out of the offer completely and we'd actually prefer it! That 5M in cap space has more value to us than the value of the 2 players bring on the ice to the Canucks. Now y'all claim they could be moved for a 2nd + 3rd, great then you go ahead and trade them and just give us those picks instead.

So what im getting from this thread is JT Miller is worth more than Eichel

So what you're saying is:
Kerfoot + Dermott Knies + 2022 1st + 2023 4th > Tuch + Krebs + 2023 1st + upgrading 2024 3rd to 2024 2nd

Well lets break this down:

Kerfoot is much MUCH worse of a player than Tuch.
Knies is a much worse prospect compared to Krebs.
A late 2022 1st is worse than a late 2023 1st
A 2023 4th round pick is worse than upgrading from a 2024 3rd to a 2024 2nd
Dermott beats nothing BUT does not come close to making up for the value lost in all the other pieces.

So what offer has been made thats more than what was paid for Eichel? What ask have Canucks fans had thats above what Eichel returned?

Majority of Canucks fans are looking for 2 1sts + 2nd + small add. Krebs + 2023 1st are worth more than 2 1sts. Tuch is worth more than a 2nd + small add. swapping a 3rd for a 2nd is worth more than nothing.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

History says otherwise. Any play of Miller's caliber has netted a 1st + a top prospect or a 1st + a Knies level prospect +


You're right in the sense that if thats the best offer, Miller stays a Canuck. Kerfoot and Dermott hold 0 value to the Canucks. This trade to Canucks fans is essentially a 1st + Knies + 4th for Miller.

Idk why most Toronto fans get their panties in a bunch and cant wrap their heads around the fact that we dont care about Kerfoot or Dermott. You could take them out of the offer completely and we'd actually prefer it! That 5M in cap space has more value to us than the value of the 2 players bring on the ice to the Canucks. Now y'all claim they could be moved for a 2nd + 3rd, great then you go ahead and trade them and just give us those picks instead.



So what you're saying is:
Kerfoot + Dermott Knies + 2022 1st + 2023 4th > Tuch + Krebs + 2023 1st + upgrading 2024 3rd to 2024 2nd

Well lets break this down:

Kerfoot is much MUCH worse of a player than Tuch.
Knies is a much worse prospect compared to Krebs.
A late 2022 1st is worse than a late 2023 1st
A 2023 4th round pick is worse than upgrading from a 2024 3rd to a 2024 2nd
Dermott beats nothing BUT does not come close to making up for the value lost in all the other pieces.

So what offer has been made thats more than what was paid for Eichel? What ask have Canucks fans had thats above what Eichel returned?

Majority of Canucks fans are looking for 2 1sts + 2nd + small add. Krebs + 2023 1st are worth more than 2 1sts. Tuch is worth more than a 2nd + small add. swapping a 3rd for a 2nd is worth more than nothing.

wait a min, you think Tuch+Kerbs and a 1st is a real offer??? HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

 

[CupcakeSprinkles]

Here's a suggestion , make an offer that works for both teams not just the Leafs . A third liner , a bottom pairing defender and a bunch of maybe isn't it and I think you know that .

Going by history.. forwards never get traded for the speculated price. There’s been a couple occurrences like Duchene where it’s turned out.

St Louis traded Tage Thompson, Berglund (on his way out), Sobotka (on his way out), 1st and a 2nd for Selke center.

So like we can go back and forth all day on “value” reality is HF value does not match real value lol

 

[Canuck Luck]

wait a min, you think Tuch+Kerbs and a 1st is a real offer??? HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

I’d be laughing at your reading comprehension tbh.
1. I’m quoting a poster that said canuck fans want more than what eichel returned.

2. Where on earth did you get the idea that I said Buffalo would offer their return for Jack eichel to us?

 

[habsfan44]

Going by history.. forwards never get traded for the speculated price. There’s been a couple occurrences like Duchene where it’s turned out.

St Louis traded Tage Thompson, Berglund (on his way out), Sobotka (on his way out), 1st and a 2nd for Selke center.

So like we can go back and forth all day on “value” reality is HF value does not match real value lol

Because other teams made mistakes doesn't mean the Canucks are obligated to do the same .

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

To Vancouver:
1st round pick 2022
4th round pick 2023
Alex Kerfoot
Travis Dermott
Matthew Knies

To Toronto: J.T. Miller

We've been down this road, the thread was closed for a reason.

Leafs fans please, please, please, for f***s sakes, how can we make this more clear, WE DON'T WANT KERFOOT OR DERMOTT!

Please, I don't care how valuable they are to your team, I don't care that they are worth mid round draft picks, I don't care how many points Kerfoot has, we don't want either of them.

Stop including them in proposals.

Even with the players mentioned not included this offer would be beat, a low first, a mid round pick, and a winger which we have a gluttony of.

This does nothing really for our needs other than the low first. Which is the biggest reason most of us have an issue with it.

 

[Apotheosis]

The Leafs forwards would be insane with Miller. But this trade doesn’t really make a lot of sense to me for two reasons :

1. Its very likely that a different team would offer something more appealing to the Canucks.

2. If Toronto were to throw a big package like this at a player, wouldn’t they want that player to be a defenceman? Or even a goaltender? Could be wrong here Leafs fans but to me Toronto’s forwards look pretty good.

Came in here to say this. Miller would be a huge add and probably make the Leaf's the deepest top 9 in the league but I feel like the resources used here would be better used on a guy like Chychrun who we know is going to get traded for sure.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Came in here to say this. Miller would be a huge add and probably make the Leaf's the deepest top 9 in the league but I feel like the resources used here would be better used on a guy like Chychrun who we know is going to get traded for sure.

If leafs fans think this is accurate to what Miller would get I can't wait to see what they think Chychrun is worth.......

 

[Apotheosis]

If leafs fans think this is accurate to what Miller would get I can't wait to see what they think Chychrun is worth.......

Where in my post did I say that the proposal in the OP was accurate?

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Where in my post did I say that the proposal in the OP was accurate?

I wasn't being specific to you, should have made that more clear.

 

[CupcakeSprinkles]

Because other teams made mistakes doesn't mean the Canucks are obligated to do the same .

It definitely doesn’t and if someone wants to offer a massive overpay good on them. The reality is quoted HF prices never match reality..

see Eichel trade as the most current example

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

It definitely doesn’t and if someone wants to offer a massive overpay good on them. The reality is quoted HF prices never match reality..

see Eichel trade as the most current example

The reported offer from the Rangers, which is not a "quoted HF price", is Lundkvist, Krav and a 1st, that beats the leafs offer every day of the week and we don't have to take players we don't want back.

It also isn't "massive overpay"

 

[Ita]

These guys are asking for 2 1sts on top of that

You seem to have issues with comprehension. None of the comments you quoted asked for 2 1sts on top of the original offer.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Late first and a bunch of meh. Nucks better off holding him until the draft in this case.

 

[Bettman Returnz]

wait a min, you think Tuch+Kerbs and a 1st is a real offer??? HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

No Canucks fan thinks we will get that eichel type package… also no Canucks fan want the proposed leaf offer either.

Quality over quantity

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

More than what you'll actually get for Miller

LOL delusional

 

[CatchyTune]

You seem to have issues with comprehension. None of the comments you quoted asked for 2 1sts on top of the original offer.

I quoted 2

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Kerfoot and Dermott is the new Ryder, Halak and a 2nd.

 

[habsfan44]

It definitely doesn’t and if someone wants to offer a massive overpay good on them. The reality is quoted HF prices never match reality..

see Eichel trade as the most current example

Another way to say that would be , if another team wants to pay what Miller is worth then good on them . The reality is we won't know the reality until he's actually traded and previous trades by other teams will have little to no bearing on what the Canucks receive as compensation when he is moved .