Confirmed with Link: Ivan Provorov traded to CBJ (via LA) - 1st, 2 2nds, Petersen, Walker, Grans to Philly

[Chicken N Raffls]

He did already lose his PP role here.

True, but will he get to munch as many minutes? What does a minute muncher do if not munch the minutes? Maybe he will, because he can and hockey guy stuff. But I doubt he's a shoe-in for best Dman team awards year after year.

 

[Rebels57]

Pretty good piece of business for LA though. They clear $5.6M in cap this year for 2024 second rounder & Grans. Even next year they’ll still save over $2M.

They probably took advantage of the Flyers situation given they likely didn’t want to use contract retention spots on both Hayes & Provorov for these next two years.

Rob Blake is sort of quietly doing a fine job there.

 

[ViD]

Oh good. You’re back. I was looking for something else and came across this absolute beauty:



That’s in reference to McAvoy.

I stand by my words. He’d thrive in a sound system just like Orlov

 

[Amorgus]

True, but will he get to munch as many minutes? What does a minute muncher do if not munch the minutes? Maybe he will, because he can and hockey guy stuff. But I doubt he's a shoe-in for best Dman team awards year after year.

Man does Minute Muncher sound like a sexual insult.

 

[Striiker]

Welp, always a rough day when the player you have eight game worn jerseys of gets traded.

Swing and a miss there.

At least i'm not a Ghost fan like @Striiker

 

[Magua]

I'd be quite alright trading Hart for a 2nd this year and a lightly protected 1st next year from a bubble team that's smelling its own flatulence. This draft sort of worries me if they put all their eggs in that basket. I don't want to be like Columbus 2 years ago and come away with 3 1sts that includes Cole Sillinger and Corson Ceulemans. It's the same crew running the Flyers draft, with the same worrisome processes and beliefs, and I simply don't know if Briere is good at evaluating prospects. He can prove me wrong. I also won't even begin to speculate if Tortorella and Jones have amateur input.

 

[Striiker]

Oh good. You’re back. I was looking for something else and came across this absolute beauty:

Is this the bestiality guy?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I stand by my words. He’d thrive in a sound system just like Orlov

The thing is, Orlov was almost always good to great in Washington. Provorov’s previous NHL value hangs on two things. Two half seasons where he wasn’t the best player on his own Pair and an all-time weird season where he turned into prime Shea Weber from the point. The latter remains one of the most absurd aberrations I’ve seen in a Flyers uniform. The former may happen again, but your expectations are so far beyond the scope of reasonability that there’s nothing to latch onto for a discussion.

Now you can tell me he’ll play better when he’s not being hilariously overused and fair enough, but you’re comping him to one of the very best Skaters on the planet in McAvoy and saying developmental environment is the difference. I have wasted several hundred thousand words on just this forum expressing the shortcomings of the Flyers org as a developmental entity and even I think that notion is so insane that it should be openly mocked.

 

[prototypical4thliner]

I'm gloomy about the chances of Tortorella putting him ahead of any of the Phantoms, but I'll wait and see how that goes.

If Fletcher were here, that's 150% what would happen. But now I think we can wait and see what Briere will give Tortorella.

There is a faint inkling of hope there. Yay???

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Is this the bestiality guy?

Nah, that was an Islanders fan. I only remember this one because Beef kept yelling his name.

 

[litflyersfan]

Did Fletcher ever attempt a trade this complicated? I think I already know the answer.

Yes, he did, and he botched it by waiting to ****ing long. The JvR deadline deal three team swap that never happened.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

Man does Minute Muncher sound like a sexual insult.

How many minutes can a minute muncher munch, if a minute muncher does munch minutes? (It's a lot)

 

[Rich Nixon]

Is this the bestiality guy?

Not the guy, but we can't assume he isn't, you know, a guy.

 

[ViD]

The thing is, Orlov was almost always good to great in Washington. Provorov’s previous NHL value hangs on two things. Two half seasons where he wasn’t the best player on his own Pair and an all-time weird season where he turned into prime Shea Weber from the point. The latter remains one of the most absurd aberrations I’ve seen in a Flyers uniform. The former may happen again, but your expectations are so far beyond the scope of reasonability that there’s nothing to latch onto for a discussion.

Now you can tell me he’ll play better when he’s not being hilariously overused and fair enough, but you’re comping him to one of the very best Skaters on the planet in McAvoy and saying developmental environment is the difference. I have wasted several hundred thousand words on just this forum expressing the shortcomings of the Flyers org as a developmental entity and even I think that notion is so insane that it should be openly mocked.

The guy that can score goals like this can’t be mocked - he got the skating, he got the stickhandling, he got the shot.

He needs to get back his confidence and change of scenery might just do it

 

[Chinatown88]

Can I call this mid? It feels very mid. Unless they somehow flip Petersen and get more draft picks or something.

 

[tymed]

Having to watch Provy be forcefed offensive minutes and pp time over some of our other guys, namely Sanheim, has been one of the lowlights for me personally as a flyer fan in the past several years. Happy to move on from him and that stupid f***in stick. I'll take the assets and commitment to taking cap dumps for value. Hopefully this is just the start. Knowing the organization it would just be a reset to ruin it again but atleast itd be that. Pretty excited to see this type of move right now.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Can we make provorov appreciation thread?
Coburn brought in 1st->Konecny 3rd and Gudas.
Provorov brought in end of an era Provorov era, so I guess it's a wash.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

The guy that can score goals like this can’t be mocked - he got the skating, he got the stickhandling, he got the shot.

He needs to get back his confidence and change of scenery might just do it

Yeah, look.

This org has bent over backward to kowtow to his whims from day one. He had to earn nothing. Everyone else had to flip sides of the ice because he didn’t want to do it. They kept him on PP1 for multiple years despite the org knowing it was a disaster because they didn’t think he could handle the demotion.

And on the other side of the discussion, here’s a highlight clip of one Goal and a total misunderstanding of both Provorov as a player and what he has and hasn’t done so far. It’s a career defined by self-sabotage and doing so many of the little things that often lead to NHL success while aimlessly flailing in most of the major categories. Then compounding this by falling apart in regard to the little things he previously did well.

But yes, he scored that Goal that one time. I wish I could laugh at the idea of anyone finding that instructive, but I still have Jody Shelley/Paul Holmgren PTSD.

 

[phil162888]

Having to watch Provy be forcefed offensive minutes and pp time over some of our other guys, namely Sanheim, has been one of the lowlights for me personally as a flyer fan in the past several years. Happy to move on from him and that stupid f***in stick. I'll take the assets and commitment to taking cap dumps for value. Hopefully this is just the start. Knowing the organization it would just be a reset to ruin it again but atleast itd be that. Pretty excited to see this type of move right now.

Sanheim ? PP?? really your going there lol.....did you watch games this season or you stuck in 2021/22 season

 

[FLYguy3911]

I don't want to be like Columbus 2 years ago and come away with 3 1sts that includes Cole Sillinger and Corson Ceulemans. It's the same crew running the Flyers draft, with the same worrisome processes and beliefs...

I mean the guy did tell you that was a weak draft. Give the man his credit.

The guy that can score goals like this can’t be mocked - he got the skating, he got the stickhandling, he got the shot.

He needs to get back his confidence and change of scenery might just do it

He scored one like this just a few months ago too. The thing you'll notice is that he can pull these moves off 3v3 when he has ice to work with and can build up speed and take advantage of forwards trying to play defense, but he doesn't have the small area skill to make it work 5v4 (he was the least productive PP player in the league over a 3 year stretch), much less 5v5. This isn't a new development though. He's had these issues going back to Brandon and no one wanted to acknowledge it.

 

[Striiker]

Nah, that was an Islanders fan. I only remember this one because Beef kept yelling his name.

Fun fact: I spelled it “beastiality” at first and since autocorrect said it was spelled wrong and I didn’t know why - because why the hell would I - I reflexively googled it to double check the spelling.

I’m actually that stupid.

 

[Magua]

I mean the guy did tell you that was a weak draft. Give the man his credit.

The fact it wasn't is what worries me. Combined with him potentially being bullish on this one.

Best case scenario is Brent Flahstanza coming to this conclusion:

 

[BringBackHakstol]

Fletcher really thought Hodgson was his Marchessault.

So did deady

 

[trostol]

good he is gone...would feel better if one or both 2nds were this year

 

[Laveuglette]

What are we expecting for the return in the impending Hart trade? Dump + 2023 2nd?

From what I heard, Hart could have a bigger return than Provorov