Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[salbutera]

Think this LA Kings stuff is a bluff- helped by Bergevin desire to hurt his former team.

If LA had really offered Byfield and Durzi the deal would have been done by now. The closer this gets to draft day, the better I like our chances as it would mean picks are involved. Something like Beck, Harris and 31. Just don’t give up a Grade A piece!

From LeBrun’s Athletic article this morning:

League sources have confirmed to me that agent Pat Brisson of CAA Hockey has a list that includes other teams, not just Montreal and L.A., as he and the Jets fully explore what I believe is a pretty robust market for the RFA center.

The Kings are interesting, though, because they were among the teams that looked at Dubois when he asked out of Columbus. But their cap situation this summer doesn’t marry too well with Dubois’ potential contract demands, although L.A. obviously would be moving players back to Winnipeg in any potential deal. Still, at the moment, it feels like heavy lifting for a Kings team still needing to address its situation in net as well.

 

[HabsEstrie]

Why waste time trying to prove something completely obvious that everyone not enamored with his language knows is true? You're clearly ready to use any excuse to ignore the facts and then demand more.

Still waiting

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

What about literally quitting on your teamates and coach in Colombus?

Tortz will publicly humiliate a player or between 4, 5 persons. He does that to some players and others he's ok with. Tortz picks one player and he's on his back. Very negative, very unpleasant.

 

[MXD]

Why waste time trying to prove something completely obvious that everyone not enamored with his language knows is true? You're clearly ready to use any excuse to ignore the facts and then demand more.

You're the one making this a language issue.

 

[ZUKI]

Ok ok I’ll spill the beans
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yeah, yeah...another crazy guy who think he's Santa Claus . I saw one 2 weeks ago , completely drunk , trying to walk and yelling at the people around him

 

[ZUKI]

Anderson is a keeper to me. Not consistent but the type you need and his size/strength protects the many youth that filter in. He could be available but we are not going to shop him just to unload him.
Lets not build the next contender as the Montreal Smurfs.

Anderson also probably knows of the Dubois trade rumors and has the Jets in his NTC list.

We are talking a lot about consistency , but how it could have ever happened last 2 seasons ? ( him or the other players ) Habs were always having half the players out because of all those injuries ? When you get new line mates all the season long ? Building a group, building lines in those conditions is impossible

 

[Habs Halifax]

You are really over valuing Dubois. He's never been a ppg player and has character issues, not even close to Suzuki or Caufield. We need winners not whinners.

It's the cost of doing business for a player you have to buy 7 UFA years on. You can think it's just me over valuing him but it's what his agent is going to push for and he will get it.

Horvat is not a ppg player either and he got $8.5M. Both players are similar value with similar pts/game over their career

Suzuki and Caufield are not ppg players yet and Dubois is less than one year older than Dubois. Somehow, we think Suzuki and Caufield are going to increase their point totals but Dubois can't as a 24/25 year old.

Also, I have to keep saying it too. Pts/game are important but not the sole parts of evaluating players games. You know this but you got a hate on for Dubois and you're going to attempt to take that out on me.

 

[Richiebottles]

I really wonder if this is WPG trying to create a market for PLD....

Especially with the new LA information.

 

[EveryDay]

I really wonder if this is WPG trying to create a market for PLD....

Especially with the new LA information.

New information?

 

[Habs Halifax]

I really wonder if this is WPG trying to create a market for PLD....

Especially with the new LA information.

Very possible. They know the Dubois/Montreal connection very well and they took the risk of trading Laine/Rost for him thinking he would stay. Didn't happen and now they are left trying to recoup the best they can considering the circumstances. Bidding wars is what they want no doubt.

Personally, I don't see Dubois playing nice on a 8 year extension with other teams. As long as the Habs are willing to pay him in that $8M - $8.5M range, he might just wait it out for one more year and sign as a UFA next off season.... if we can't come to agreement on a trade with the Jets.

Or Dubois does sign with another team. Hard to know how much he wants to come home vs playing in LA (for example). We can only guess.

This might be far from over if Dubois refuses to sign with other teams, unless they give him something he can't refuse. Kind of like Huberdeau with the Flames. Won't be the same AAV but you get the point.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I really wonder if this is WPG trying to create a market for PLD....

Especially with the new LA information.

What is the new information? That they are willing to trade one or both of Byfield and Vilardi? If so, I think that is a rumor the media creates to increase traffic on the internet and get clicks.

Sports reporters have a worse accuracy rate than the weather man bud.

 

[Richiebottles]

What is the new information? That they are willing to trade one or both of Byfield and Vilardi? If so, I think that is a rumor the media creates to increase traffic on the internet and get clicks.

Sports reporters have a worse accuracy rate than the weather man bud.

Should have linked the Article.

It's from LeBrun's piece in the Athletic this morning.

"The Kings are interesting, though, because they were among the teams that looked at Dubois when he asked out of Columbus. But their cap situation this summer doesn’t marry too well with Dubois’ potential contract demands, although L.A. obviously would be moving players back to Winnipeg in any potential deal. Still, at the moment, it feels like heavy lifting for a Kings team still needing to address its situation in net as well."

LeBrun rumblings: What's next for Milan Lucic? Plus the latest on O'Reilly, Hellebuyck, DeBrincat, Dubois, more

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theathletic.com

 

[Rapala]

How am i contradicting myself? I asked why would they trade for Dubois when they had Slafkovsky and Dach locked.

At this point no one can even be sure they were in conversation with the jets at that time.

You aren't making sense at all. It's not about why would they it's about the trade discussions that took place. Are you saying they didn't happen? If they did happen WHEN? Before or after the draft take your pick. Either that or just flat out deny they happened at all and go against every reporter who claimed they did. They were last summer and they were "SERIOUS". Why would we be in the market now for Dubois or is that BS also? The answer is obvious to improve the team.
"Oh Man we got Dach and Slafkovsky fold up the tents we are going home."

 

[WeThreeKings]

 

[sampollock]

PLD is almost a king..... this thread to be closed soon

 

[HabsEstrie]

There is this traditionnal blog "why we hate Winnipeg", or winnipeg rants, enjoyable reading, take it for cash or beleive only 5%, it's there and so easy to find on internet. On a side note, it's a 100% canadian city. Did you ever found anyone who wanted to live in Winnipeg in your life?

I've never been so confused with a rebuttal

 

[Rapala]

Yes, let's hope another team signs a 6'3 Center entering his prime and showing the desire to play in this city because we have so many of those already...

What is with Dubois growing and shrinking an inch every other post?

What I'm saying is the habs aren't in this race for Dubois just as a leverage tool by Brisson. Dubois has a real interest in playing for the habs. The poster I initially quoted was saying the opposite.

The notion that players/agents use the habs specifically to gain leverage, while not actually being interested in the habs, is something that has been mentioned here several times over the years, and its something that doesn't make sense.

And I'm saying any Agent worth his salt is creating a competition for the services of his player. If he isn't he's in the wrong business. And yes that does include stating Montreal would be a preference. The presumption being we'd have a HUGE vested interest in the player. 283 pages in kind of confirms the bolded no? If that is not using our market for leverage I don't know what is.

 

[salbutera]

PLD is almost a king..... this thread to be closed soon

Not according to LeBrun…. even Friedman is only stating LAK are better positioned than Habs to offer NHL ready prospects, not that the are willing - which LeBrun says he doesn’t believe they are

The saga is nowhere close to an end …

 

[Rapala]

LA biggest problem is their lack of cap space. That $7m might look like a lot until you realize they don't have a starter goalie signed and that Vilardi next contract won't be anywhere near min salary...and they have a few more RFAs to extend and only 5 dmen signed.

It is completely hilarious the media is bringing this out now. The instant LA was mentioned as a suitor we talked about how they had to go through gymnastics just to sign Gavrikov. I guess they are falling behind on their reading.

 

[HABitual Fan]

PLD is almost a king..... this thread to be closed soon

To some posters he is a king, or at least The Fresh Prince of Griffintown

 

[blarneylad]

Not according to LeBrun…. even Friedman is only stating LAK are better positioned than Habs to offer NHL ready prospects, not that the are willing - which LeBrun says he doesn’t believe they are

The saga is nowhere close to an end …

Kings need to move money. But I do like Dubois going in there to be next wave core along with

Fiala
Kempe
Vilardi
Byfield

Not sure if Kings would move vilardi with some money tho

 

[Dawnbringer]

Not according to LeBrun…. even Friedman is only stating LAK are better positioned than Habs to offer NHL ready prospects, not that the are willing - which LeBrun says he doesn’t believe they are

The saga is nowhere close to an end …

Yeah, basically just says (on the podcast) LA 'might' be willing to pay a high price. Also, whatever tweet from Friedge they were trying to quote has been deleted.

 

[Draft]

I doubt Byfield is genuinely available, even then he’s not trending in the right direction. Vilardi has significant, career-ending injury concerns - even if he had a good year. Spence is small, Kupari is essentially a bust, Turcotte is injury ridden and a bust, most of the rest of their younger NHL players are pretty middling… That’s if LA actually wants to move any of them for Dubois given all the drama.

Add onto that the cap concerns for LA and I think this looks like a bunch of smoke with no substance. If Habs want Dubois, I don’t think they’re trying to outbid much of an offer.

 

[morhilane]

I love how for LA, the trade proposals suggest Byfield or Vilardi. While for the Habs it requires Dach, Suzuki or Caufield. Those players do not have comparable trade value.

Byfield is struggling big time to make it to the pros. Vilardi was in fire during the first month last year, but then cooled off and got injured again.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Suzuki and Caufield are not ppg players yet and Dubois is less than one year older than Dubois.

He has mystical powers!