Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Yes, let's hope another team signs a 6'3 Center entering his prime and showing the desire to play in this city because we have so many of those already...

Don't worry about that man , we have Slaf and Leonard coming up , Both will be 10x better than Dubois at 900k a year.

Source : this board

 

[Habs Halifax]

I think the simple matter is, I'd rather have Caufield, Suzuki, Bratt, and Hintz at their salaries than Dubois at an equal salary to each player. You can 'compare' all you want, all four players are better than him and giving him more money is a joke.

Agree to disagree. Dubois is just as valuable as them. Lets see how it plays out and then revisit it later. Bet you he does get $8M - $8.5M range. I'm hoping if it's the Habs, it's Suzuki contract or something close to $8M. Like I said many times, Habs can offer more than 50% of the contract as signing bonus. That's substantial extra investment time. Not many teams can do it. Kings can though.

No doubt we are interested in Dubois. Just not desperate.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Chevaldayoff will not net more than Trouba deal - equivalence of young NHL asset + 20s pick.

Additionally he’s been hemmed into a corner by needing a deal that can help in the now - I.e limiting a solid futures based return if he was allowed to rebuild.

Dvorak + Barron / Harris is my guess at end game.

I like to think it will be around the Horvat and Trouba trades but at this point, I got no idea. If the Kings or someone else gets aggressive and Dubois is willing to sign, cost might increase.

I'm fine with it. Totally in if the cost is around Trouba or Horvat and he is willing to sign in the $8M - $8.5M range. If not, let him go somewhere else. Opportunity that didn't develop as we thought it might.

I do wonder how the Jets feel about the Habs though. Chevy may be disgruntled with us with all the talk over the last year. That can wear on you.

Don't worry about that man , we have Slaf and Leonard coming up , Both will be 10x better than Dubois at 900k a year.

Source : this board

Something tells me Hughes is going to trade up to 6-10 range. They may have a few targets where Leonard is one of them and maybe Mickhov slips too. Also Reinbacher and some others.

What would we get in a trade if we move from 5 to 6-10? Not sure but could be a good move.

I'm still in on Dubois regardless. We will see shortly where he goes, if he signs, and what is the cost.

 

[BLONG7]

Don't recall...................pretty sure it was poster here though.

I heard a little about that. Was it ever comfirmed if the offer the equivalent or more then what we payed for Dach then?

 

[Habs Halifax]

As it should be, about the hockey part of it.

Unfortunately, this is only really getting as much coverage as it is due to other non-hockey-related factors.

I believe it's being focused on because he is a legit top 2C and just as good as Suzuki and he's interested in coming home. So yeah, we are interested to add him but we are not desperate.

 

[CHwest]

Agree to disagree. Dubois is just as valuable as them. Lets see how it plays out and then revisit it later. Bet you he does get $8M - $8.5M range. I'm hoping if it's the Habs, it's Suzuki contract or something close to $8M. Like I said many times, Habs can offer more than 50% of the contract as signing bonus. That's substantial extra investment time. Not many teams can do it. Kings can though.

No doubt we are interested in Dubois. Just not desperate.

You are really over valuing Dubois. He's never been a ppg player and has character issues, not even close to Suzuki or Caufield. We need winners not whinners.

 

[Gustave]

f***


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Bad news; it could last until training camp, although not likely. But a possibility.

It will ruin draft day, the week between draft and UFA day, all of July, August, and September.

Prepare to die inside friend.

 

[HabsEstrie]

You are really over valuing Dubois. He's never been a ppg player and has character issues, not even close to Suzuki or Caufield. We need winners not whinners.

Please give us an example of your so called character issue???
Not wanting to play for the idiot that was coaching in Columbus or wanting out of Winterpeg? A team that has proven room troubles

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

We have Mike Matheson, a vraie gars de chez nous, Dubois is not even from Montreal !!!! A fake hometown kid

Poor Mike, he will be recognized as "un bon ti-gars de chez nous" just as much as Torrey Mitchell was recognized as one by the French media, which was almost never, because his name isn't French enough.

FFS the French media and even the Prime minister didn't even mention Norm Macdonald's passing and he was born and raised in QCcity. They'll probably ignore Michael Mando when it'll be his turn in a few decades.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Poor Mike, he will be recognized as "un bon ti-gars de chez nous" just as much as Torrey Mitchell was recognized as one by the French media, which was almost never, because his name isn't French enough.

FFS the French media and even the Prime minister didn't even mention Norm Macdonald's passing and he was born and raised in QCcity. They'll probably ignore Micheal Mando when it'll be his turn in a few decades.

Pld grew up in Rimouski, that's Nordiques/bruins land if you ask me

 

[SergeConstantin74]

Yeah...keep.the.good.Anglos.....Justin the soft awful defensively..Barron...

Look I’m really interested to have more local players but there are so much red flags surrounding Dubois.

 

[CHwest]

give us an example of your so called character issue???
Not wanting to play for the idiot that was coaching in Columbus or wanting out of Winterpeg? A team that has proven room troubles

Well you have provided two examples of him not be being a team guy.

 

[Help]

if you're a high-profile QC player getting traded into Montreal, you need to have /the stuff/

i haven't seen enough from PLD to suggest he has /the stuff/

for that reason, i am out.

expectations, pressure, stress, scrutiny can all be reduced by taking the UFA route, if that's what he wants to do. far more favourable conditions for player and team

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

if you're a high-profile QC player getting traded into Montreal, you need to have /the stuff/

i haven't seen enough from PLD to suggest he has /the stuff/

for that reason, i am out.

expectations, pressure, stress, scrutiny can all be reduced by taking the UFA route, if that's what he wants to do. far more favourable conditions for player and team

I totally agree with you , so far he has shown character flaws that don't seem to mesh well with what it takes to play here At the same time we don't know if he has the *stuff* , because apparently the poor soul has never played in a place that he liked (bless his poor poor soul , so hard for him).


Look at a guy like JT Miller , an absolute mess out there going through the motions when unhappy but when he gets what he wants and is in a good headspace he is a total beast.

 

[sampollock]

Getting Dubois by trading Anderson does not make sense at all. Dvorak maybe. I doubt this happens. If they trade for Dubois it is to play with Anderson.

yes
habs need anderson... size can't be moved

Yes, let's hope another team signs a 6'3 Center entering his prime and showing the desire to play in this city because we have so many of those already...

is that not the truth

 

[HabsEstrie]

Well you have provided two examples of him not be being a team guy.

The emojis add to your point and augment the maturity in the response

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Think this LA Kings stuff is a bluff- helped by Bergevin desire to hurt his former team.

If LA had really offered Byfield and Durzi the deal would have been done by now. The closer this gets to draft day, the better I like our chances as it would mean picks are involved. Something like Beck, Harris and 31. Just don’t give up a Grade A piece!

 

[Heffyhoof]

Please give us an example of your so called character issue???
Not wanting to play for the idiot that was coaching in Columbus or wanting out of Winterpeg? A team that has proven room troubles

Why waste time trying to prove something completely obvious that everyone not enamored with his language knows is true? You're clearly ready to use any excuse to ignore the facts and then demand more.

 

[The Great Weal]

Think this LA Kings stuff is a bluff- helped by Bergevin desire to hurt his former team.

If LA had really offered Byfield and Durzi the deal would have been done by now. The closer this gets to draft day, the better I like our chances as it would mean picks are involved. Something like Beck, Harris and 31. Just don’t give up a Grade A piece!

Ya I’m not buying the LA rumours. Would suck to lose Beck (id much rather give up Mesar) but I feel like that’s just being greedy at that point. Way more likely that PLD is a better NHLer than Beck.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Please give us an example of your so called character issue???
Not wanting to play for the idiot that was coaching in Columbus or wanting out of Winterpeg? A team that has proven room troubles

You are really over valuing Dubois. He's never been a ppg player and has character issues, not even close to Suzuki or Caufield. We need winners not whinners.

There is this traditionnal blog "why we hate Winnipeg", or winnipeg rants, enjoyable reading, take it for cash or beleive only 5%, it's there and so easy to find on internet. On a side note, it's a 100% canadian city. Did you ever found anyone who wanted to live in Winnipeg in your life?

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

There is this traditionnal blog "why we hate Winnipeg", or winnipeg rants, enjoyable reading, take it for cash or beleive only 5%, it's there and so easy to find on internet. On a side note, it's a 100% canadian city. Did you ever found anyone who wanted to live in Winnipeg in your life?

What about literally quitting on your teamates and coach in Colombus?

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

What are you going on about? If you don't think Dubois and his agent are trying to create a competition for his services I don't know what else to say.
Where do you think reports come from in terms of what he wants? 8 years, asking for 9m, a list of 6 teams, and then only the Habs and Kings in the running.
Someone is feeding the press and it isn't us. Hughes made an offer last year for Dubois do you think he moved far off that initial offer this year when the only thing that changed is Dubois got one year older? Montreal seem to have zero interest at this point. So why are we still mentioned as a possibilty? Maybe because there is no real huge demand for Dubois at the cost of ready assets and then a long term deal with a high AAV.

What I'm saying is the habs aren't in this race for Dubois just as a leverage tool by Brisson. Dubois has a real interest in playing for the habs. The poster I initially quoted was saying the opposite.

The notion that players/agents use the habs specifically to gain leverage, while not actually being interested in the habs, is something that has been mentioned here several times over the years, and its something that doesn't make sense.

 

[morhilane]

Think this LA Kings stuff is a bluff- helped by Bergevin desire to hurt his former team.

If LA had really offered Byfield and Durzi the deal would have been done by now. The closer this gets to draft day, the better I like our chances as it would mean picks are involved. Something like Beck, Harris and 31. Just don’t give up a Grade A piece!

LA biggest problem is their lack of cap space. That $7m might look like a lot until you realize they don't have a starter goalie signed and that Vilardi next contract won't be anywhere near min salary...and they have a few more RFAs to extend and only 5 dmen signed.

 

[Barriwhite]

What about literally quitting on your teamates and coach in Colombus?

You make it seem as if he went on a bender on the eve of a SCF game 7. It was 1 shift. We have no idea what Tortorella said to him before.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

LA biggest problem is their lack of cap space. That $7m might look like a lot until you realize they don't have a starter goalie signed and that Vilardi next contract won't be anywhere near min salary...and they have a few more RFAs to extend and only 5 dmen signed.

Further evidence this is a smokescreen.