Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[Catanddogguitarrr]

You think we can get Dubois for Christian f***ing Dvorak?! Get off EAsports.

Not exactly this deal but the result will be Dvo or PLD at centerline #2.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Dvorak has an 8 team NTC kicking in July 1st so unless they’re in a rush to get Dubois which I doubt they are, Dvorak isn’t even an option to balance out cap in a trade for him. He wasn’t thrilled about leaving Arizona to come to Montreal, you think he’s jumping at the idea of Winnipeg?

Dvorak have that privilege of 8 teams? And Bergevin gave a1rst to get him? OMG we'll be stucked with him for the rest of his contract?

 

[waitin425]

If we are making a play for PLD, Dvorak will be gone by July 1st. Probably part of the PLD deal or potentially somewhere else to just make room.

 

[Gustave]

If Hughes is considering a deal around Florida's pick for PLD, I wonder if there's any "backup deals" he's exploring incase they can't reach a deal with the Jets. I just have a strong feeling we won't end up using that pick at the draft.

Probably, I mean, who saw Dach for Romy coming??

 

[JHabs]

Probably, I mean, who saw Dach for Romy coming??

There were rumors at some point that Newhook might be available.

I think those "Backup" deals are goalie centric.

If we have the chance of getting a Wolf, Askarov (doubt it but his name keeps coming up), Wallstadt, etc... I'd imagine that is more of a priority than Dubois...

I think they want to make both deals, but if they had to choose, I'm not sure they give their biggest and best bargaining chips for a position we're particularly strong in already.

 

[Gustave]

There were rumors at some point that Newhook might be available.

I think those "Backup" deals are goalie centric.

If we have the chance of getting a Wolf, Askarov (doubt it but his name keeps coming up), Wallstadt, etc... I'd imagine that is more of a priority than Dubois...

I think they want to make both deals, but if they had to choose, I'm not sure they give their biggest and best bargaining chips for a position we're particularly strong in already.

I' m all in for a goalie acquisition. We have NO ONE coming up, barring an incredible progression curve.

On PLD, Jets are in a bind. The coach just tanked the value of all his core players. PLD Scheif and Wheeler are on the outs and the fans are venting on them. It's been 5 years, prior to PLD being there, that they fail as a core. Everyone coming from that team as a scarlet letter stitched. Connor is getting it as well.

There's more to it than "PLD mailed it in", which he didn't btw. He actually was decent, no more no less. Rarely does a player shine in a turd sandwich like the last game vs the Knights... No #1D will do that to a team.

I would go for it if the price makes sense (17th/28th, 2025 1st or combo of prospects) or just wait for UFA. Jets don't have leverage lol, they just flushed it down the toilet in frustration at their whole failure. It's just back channeling shit to media members, IMO of course.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

There were rumors at some point that Newhook might be available.

I think those "Backup" deals are goalie centric.

If we have the chance of getting a Wolf, Askarov (doubt it but his name keeps coming up), Wallstadt, etc... I'd imagine that is more of a priority than Dubois...

I think they want to make both deals, but if they had to choose, I'm not sure they give their biggest and best bargaining chips for a position we're particularly strong in already.

The goalie is important but he's important once we have a better team ready for play-offs. Let's not built from the G and after put a new center without time to get chemistry with his wingers. The center first to built chemistry with wingers, then you get the goalie in 3 years because the G can get his game more quickly. It's sure the first year of PLD will not change the team completely. There are so many holes and not enough experience with all our young new core. The change will be seen in 2 or 3 years and the team might be great to watch.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Disappointed how? The risk on Dubois is nuts. It feels like fans want this to be our Tavares moment but Dubois isn’t I Tavares and even then that situation messed up the Leafs cap and his production to match the contract has been disappointing for them. And this guy has head issues. We’ll be making a mistake.

Tavares is an anchor contract. Leafs would love to move it.

 

[BaseballCoach]

I would not trade Barron. No chance in hell.

If the Jets want any of these, we could talk:
Strubble
Dvorak
Anderson
Lesser picks. (They probably want NHL players though)

I would be ready to part with an NHL roster player who is not top half of team potential, nor a special role player:

1. Harris
2. Evans
3. Ylonen
4. Dvorak
5. Allen
6. Kovacevic

Among the prospects, same criteria:

1. Mesar (but only if no first is traded)
2. Struble
3. Norlinder
4. Primeau
5. Tuch
6. Kapanen
7. Rohrer
8. Guindon

 

[BaseballCoach]

He’s quit on a team before so just speculating that if there was stuff going on behind the scenes, he’d be one of the first I’d look at. His numbers sucked the second half of the season too. Tortorella has been in a HC position in 20+ of the seasons since 2000 so even if he is a hard ass, he’s obviously doing something right and shouldn’t have been able to chase a player away like that. He does start to become a common denominator and the last thing we need at the beginning of a full rebuild is an overpaid drama Queen.

Who is suggesting to overpay him?

And what drama was there in Winnipeg? That his team lost to the top Western seed? Hardly dramatic.

PLD potted 2 goals and 4 points in 5 games, that is normal for a top-6 player.

PLD is turning 25 and has scored 27-28 goals and 60+ points three times already, and had 20+ goals per 82 games in two other seasons. Only one off-year out of six.

This past year, Dubois simply accepted his qualifying offer of $6M. No pouting, no holding out, no arbitration, no drama.

Is Dubois a bit streaky? Yes, most 60-65 point players are 80 point players at times, and 40-45 at other times. See Suzuki, Nick for example.

As long as we do not pay Dubois as an 85+ point player, I don't see the problem in adding him to our group. Trading for former first round talent is often a promising strategy - not always, but the odds are not bad if the player has been a top-9 forward or top-4 D before prime years. See Dach, Kirby and Matheson, Mike.

 

[NORiculous]

I would be ready to part with an NHL roster player who is not top half of team potential, nor a special role player:

1. Harris
2. Evans
3. Ylonen
4. Dvorak
5. Allen
6. Kovacevic

Among the prospects, same criteria:

1. Mesar (but only if no first is traded)
2. Struble
3. Norlinder
4. Primeau
5. Tuch
6. Kapanen
7. Rohrer
8. Guindon

I am not sure I would put Mesar and Harris but am fine with the rest.

I am almost ready to pay to get ride of Dvorak. Not yet, but it is coming.

 

[BaseballCoach]

I am not sure I would put Mesar and Harris but am fine with the rest.

I am almost ready to pay to get ride of Dvorak. Not yet, but it is coming.

Is Harris ever going to be a top-3 D?

Will Mesar ever be a top-6 F in the NHL? Will he even get here?

These are the questions I ask myself when deciding what to offer for a top-6 forward in his prime.

 

[NORiculous]

Is Harris ever going to be a top-3 D?

Will Mesar ever be a top-6 F in the NHL? Will he even get here?

These are the questions I ask myself when deciding what to offer for a top-6 forward in his prime.

I get it. But he is a rental that we hope will sign long term. He has a history (CLB and WIM). He has not lifted any teams so far (see last 40 games, etc).

I like Mesar and Harris. So I am not sure I would trade them for a guy that might be signed for free.

 

[FerrisRox]

The Winnipeg Sun have posted their "grades" for each players playoff performance.

Dubois did not fare well.

PIERRE LUC DUBOIS / D

Dubois was one of the poster boys for the Jets’ struggles at even strength. He was on the ice for four Winnipeg goals at 5-on-5 and nine against. He was absolutely invisible in Game 5, when the Jets needed him most, appearing to be more interested in where he’ll be playing next year than what he needed to do on that night. He did play well in Games 1 and 3, had two goals and two assists in the series, and generated 23 shot attempts, fourth most on the team. He also took four minor penalties, including two in overtime in Game 3. When Rick Bowness talked about the Golden Knights’ best players being better than the Jets best players in this series, Dubois would be front and centre in his mind.

 

[Habby4Life]

The habs should avoid PLD like the plague. The guy quit on the jackets and has been brutal now two POs with the Jets. Game five performance was similar to his shift with the jackets.

He’s a cancer, a quitter, and the last thing this team needs in the room.

The Winnipeg Sun have posted their "grades" for each players playoff performance.

Dubois did not fare well.

PIERRE LUC DUBOIS / D

Dubois was one of the poster boys for the Jets’ struggles at even strength. He was on the ice for four Winnipeg goals at 5-on-5 and nine against. He was absolutely invisible in Game 5, when the Jets needed him most, appearing to be more interested in where he’ll be playing next year than what he needed to do on that night. He did play well in Games 1 and 3, had two goals and two assists in the series, and generated 23 shot attempts, fourth most on the team. He also took four minor penalties, including two in overtime in Game 3. When Rick Bowness talked about the Golden Knights’ best players being better than the Jets best players in this series, Dubois would be front and centre in his mind.

Yeah, the habs need a quitter with a bad attitude to build around. They need to avoid this guy.

 

[Sterling Archer]

The Winnipeg Sun have posted their "grades" for each players playoff performance.

Dubois did not fare well.

PIERRE LUC DUBOIS / D

Dubois was one of the poster boys for the Jets’ struggles at even strength. He was on the ice for four Winnipeg goals at 5-on-5 and nine against. He was absolutely invisible in Game 5, when the Jets needed him most, appearing to be more interested in where he’ll be playing next year than what he needed to do on that night. He did play well in Games 1 and 3, had two goals and two assists in the series, and generated 23 shot attempts, fourth most on the team. He also took four minor penalties, including two in overtime in Game 3. When Rick Bowness talked about the Golden Knights’ best players being better than the Jets best players in this series, Dubois would be front and centre in his mind.

Guess this seals that he won’t be coming back.

Wheeler had some choice words for Bowness as well. That team is a hot mess.

 

[Zilo44]

Winnipeg sinking his value with those comments

 

[Seb]

The habs should avoid PLD like the plague. The guy quit on the jackets and has been brutal now two POs with the Jets. Game five performance was similar to his shift with the jackets.

He’s a cancer, a quitter, and the last thing this team needs in the room.


Yeah, the habs need a quitter with a bad attitude to build around. They need to avoid this guy.

It really depends on what Hughes might offer for him. Dubois is still a very good player as long as the price is right.

 

[Zilo44]

It really depends on what Hughes might offer for him. Dubois is still a very good player as long as the price is right.

Dubois has that Pacioretty vibe in the sense that if you expect him to be your 1st or 2nd best player on offense, you’re in trouble. But he is still a quality top 6 forward

 

[Canadienna]

I would be surprised if the Jets got a home run offer for him this summer.

I'm still open to moving Dvorak, FLA 1st, and Beck at the draft.

Who's beating that?

 

[ReHabs]

Local media skewering the players after the organization tipped their hand and set the tone for it — not a rare sight. Take it with a single grain of salt.

I think the PLD discussion has gotten a bit too over-constructed — he’s nothing more than a powerful young forward who can get 60-65 pts (with some upside for more). He isn’t elite or anything, he isn’t the singular saviour.

That said, and pay attention, he doesn’t need to be character assassinated by the inmates here who cannot argue their way out of a phonebooth without resorting to slander.

If there is another player with his profile available the Habs should go after that player as well. Right this moment he would be the second or third best player on the Habs. We are a beggar team when it comes to talent. This nose in the air approach is pathetic — oh he’s not amazing in the playoffs on a dysfunctional team? And Danault’s 4pts in 22gp in our Finals run was what? Gallagher’s 6pts in 22gp was what? No amount of tears will end after Danault bolted (incapable of surpassing 55pts/season). So if it helps untwist some panties, consider PLD an upgrade on Danault and Gallagher, not a messiah.

A late first round pick for a 60pt player in his prime, with size is a tremendous deal… but I doubt the Jets will settle for that. Two late first round picks for a 60pt+ player is a good deal. Maybe Mešar and the FLA 1st get it done.

The Habs need more punch up front and even if Dubois is a flawed player he has fewer flaws and more strengths than all our players bar one or two. And he has upside for more. No need to character assassinate the guy ffs.

If we don’t get him, 31 other teams (including his previous teams) would jump at the opportunity. He has size and speed and is productive enough to entice literally every team. He would be a top6 player on every team.

 

[JoelWarlord]

If there is another player with his profile available the Habs should go after that player as well. Right this moment he would be the second or third best player on the Habs. We are a beggar team when it comes to talent. This nose in the air approach is pathetic — oh he’s not amazing in the playoffs on a dysfunctional team? And Danault’s 4pts in 22gp in our Finals run was what? Gallagher’s 6pts in 22gp was what? No amount of tears will end after Danault bolted (incapable of surpassing 55pts/season). So if it helps untwist some panties, consider PLD an upgrade on Danault and Gallagher, not a messiah.

It's so funny that we have to go over Dubois' game with a fine-toothed comb and agonize over every single weakness while our top 6 for opening night next year currently has Josh Anderson, 19 y/o Slafkovsky, and one of Harvey-Pinard or Hoffman pencilled into 3/6 spots.

 

[sampollock]

you would have to think, that PLD knows IF he comes to MTL, the pressure will be great.
so IF he comes, I think he will step up... or be eaten alive by the press

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I would be surprised if the Jets got a home run offer for him this summer.

I'm still open to moving Dvorak, FLA 1st, and Beck at the draft.

Who's beating that?

As someone who wants PLD I'm not doing that.

Dvo and Florida's 1st. Maybe a prospect like Rohrer.

Rangers gave up a 1st and Pionk for Trouba.

Habs give up a 1st and Dvo for PLD. With Dubois, Dvorak isn't needed anymore.

Habs potential 3rd line centre, a prospect showing great promise isn't being dealt.

That 1st alone will make it hard to beat

 

[salbutera]

I would be surprised if the Jets got a home run offer for him this summer.

I'm still open to moving Dvorak, FLA 1st, and Beck at the draft.

Who's beating that?

Dvorak + Barron that’s the max…