Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[Jack Skellington]

PLD playing shit on purpose to lower his value for the boiiiiz

 

[Goldthorpe]

I think it's a done deal for Montreal, unless Timmah does his best Draft 2022 imitation and asks for some extra poutine sauce on his fries after all is negociated. (I know, some of you don't buy the rumours, but I can tell you from someone close to the media action that it was more than a rumour).

Not a bad tactic for the Jets when you think about it. With the draft in Montreal and the big spotlight on the team, Hughes could have fold as a rookie GM. Instead he went and traded for Dach (which I assume wouldn't have happened otherwise), which proved to be a great trade.

 

[HABitual Fan]

No they wouldn't. Let's put up a poll and I guarantee it wouldn't get more than 3 troll votes. If anything, just wait a year and pay an extra 1-2 mil in ufa

Unless he hits PPG wherever he plays this year, no way I see him getting more than 8, and certainly not 9 or 10 as a UFA.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

Unless he hits PPG wherever he plays this year, no way I see him getting more than 8, and certainly not 9 or 10 as a UFA.

True what I meant is instead of possibly getting 8x7AAV in a sign and trade, he might get 8-9 AAV proposals in FA

 

[Team_Spirit]

PLD playing shit on purpose to lower his value for the boiiiiz

 

[OpenIceHit]

Could the Habs trade for PLD, sign him for one year before June 30th and then sign a 8-year contract the same summer? If not, how long would they have to wait to sign that second contract?

 

[OnTheRun]

Could the Habs trade for PLD, sign him for one year before June 30th and then sign a 8-year contract the same summer? If not, how long would they have to wait to sign that second contract?

January 2024.

 

[NORiculous]

So it didn’t end well in Clb and it doesn’t seem like it will end well in Wpg…

The dilemma is:

3rd time a charm
Vs.
jamais deux sans trois

?

In any event, Habs can’t pay a premium price AND take that risk.

So anything that starts with the letter D and is not named Dvorak is out of the question. lol

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

So it didn’t end well in Clb and it doesn’t seem like it will end well in Wpg…

The dilemma is:

3rd time a charm
Vs.
jamais deux sans trois

?

In any event, Habs can’t pay a premium price AND take that risk.

So anything that starts with the letter D and is not named Dvorak is out of the question. lol

Do we want Dvorak for the next 4 years or PLD for the next 8 years?

 

[TomKosto]

Do we want Dvorak for the next 4 years or PLD for the next 8 years?

You think we can get Dubois for Christian f***ing Dvorak?! Get off EAsports.

 

[Redux91]

Lol Dach is going to make less than half of what PLD makes and may even be a better player. I don't blame the Jets for asking for him and leaking rumors to insiders on how other teams are interested, but that isn't happening. In addition to PLD's contract, we need to consider that we are giving up assets for him and that prospects like Roy and Mesar won't have the chance to play in the top 6 since we would have PLD/Suzuki/CC/Dach/Slaf/2023 1st occupying the top 6.

Lol yeah
Hughes is not trading Dach for PLD, that's NEVER going to happen
Let's not be ridiculous here guys
(Adding to your post, not trashing it)

 

[WeThreeKings]

Well, I'm out on PLD if we aren't the only option and other teams are willing to pay for a 1 year rental.

You get him cheap or you wait. That's how it has always been for me.

 

[Rapala]

I think it's a done deal for Montreal, unless Timmah does his best Draft 2022 imitation and asks for some extra poutine sauce on his fries after all is negociated. (I know, some of you don't buy the rumours, but I can tell you from someone close to the media action that it was more than a rumour)

So this fell apart pre draft. Plan A Dubois Plan B Dach? They weren't coveting both were they?

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Well, I'm out on PLD if we aren't the only option and other teams are willing to pay for a 1 year rental.

You get him cheap or you wait. That's how it has always been for me.

I mean we were never the only options. The plan has alway been to pay more than what other teams are willing to give up for Dubois as a rental.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Well, I'm out on PLD if we aren't the only option and other teams are willing to pay for a 1 year rental.

You get him cheap or you wait. That's how it has always been for me.

To be fair, we don't know what other teams will be offering. If they know he has zero interest signing with them, the most Winnipeg gets is a second and even that may be generous.

I maintain that any offer that includes a roster player (Dach) or any highly rated prospect is an instant no go from me. PLD may be a better player than Dach but he isn't better than Dach plus a first and a prospect. Not to mention Dach is still only 22 with lots of potential. I'm also very cautious on PLD's contract demands. He isn't better than Suzuki yet may demand a Horvat-esque contract.

All in all, we either get him cheap or see what his demands when he goes UFA.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Do we want Dvorak for the next 4 years or PLD for the next 8 years?

Dvorak has an 8 team NTC kicking in July 1st so unless they’re in a rush to get Dubois which I doubt they are, Dvorak isn’t even an option to balance out cap in a trade for him. He wasn’t thrilled about leaving Arizona to come to Montreal, you think he’s jumping at the idea of Winnipeg?

 

[Habricot]

I don't see any point in bringing Dubois in unless we first trade Josh Anderson or Gallagher and I can't see anyone making a play on the latter.

If you are bringing a guy like Dubois in the last thing you want is getting gid of Anderson. These are two guys that worked well together and could still work very well. You bring a guy like Dubois is to progress towards making the playoff or at least be in that discussion and play meaningful hockey close to the end of the season like Ottawa did this year.

Gallagher helps you culture. He is expensive yes, but not a nuisance yet. Guys you would get rid of are the Armia, Hoffman, Drouin, Gurianov, Edmonston (to a lesser degree).

 

[Habricot]

To be fair, we don't know what other teams will be offering. If they know he has zero interest signing with them, the most Winnipeg gets is a second and even that may be generous.

I maintain that any offer that includes a roster player (Dach) or any highly rated prospect is an instant no go from me. PLD may be a better player than Dach but he isn't better than Dach plus a first and a prospect. Not to mention Dach is still only 22 with lots of potential. I'm also very cautious on PLD's contract demands. He isn't better than Suzuki yet may demand a Horvat-esque contract.

All in all, we either get him cheap or see what his demands when he goes UFA.

Well hopefully no one talked about Dach to be traded. To be honest Dach might very well become better then PLD in 2-3 years. To me it will cost a high pick, similar to what Ottawa did with Debrinqet last year. We do not know where we would pick yet but at 7 I might would not be shocked if happened but if we get a top 5 pick I hope they dont do that.

 

[dinodebino]

So this fell apart pre draft. Plan A Dubois Plan B Dach? They weren't coveting both were they?

ALL I was told about is the first part. Sorry.

There is truth about what was told by the Dubois camp too: he was invited to attend by a sponsor. But his camp WAS expecting the move…and so was HuGo.

 

[Shawnathon]

ALL I was told about is the first part. Sorry.

There is truth about what was told by the Dubois camp too: he was invited to attend by a sponsor. But his camp WAS expecting the move…and so was HuGo.

You make bold claims. Whose giving you information like that?

 

[waitin425]

So like I said, no team has three 8+ million forwards that aren't top 10 in their position. This will be especially hard when you factor in that Slaf and Dach will need big contracts too.

PLD at the Suzuki rate but no more than Horvat. Caufield at the Suzuki rate.

Dach when he signs will be a 6.5 million max. Slaf will be a short term deal for less money. If he explodes and he is a Stutzle like deal than that's fine too.

Let's go max here and round up for everyone. Including Dach

Suzuki - 7.875
Caufield - 8.5
PLD - 8.5
Dach - 8.5
Slaf - 8.5

41.875 million for our top 5 forwards.

Leafs big 4 are around the same price.

We are fine.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

PLD at the Suzuki rate but no more than Horvat. Caufield at the Suzuki rate.

Dach when he signs will be a 6.5 million max. Slaf will be a short term deal for less money. If he explodes and he is a Stutzle like deal than that's fine too.

Let's go max here and round up for everyone. Including Dach

Suzuki - 7.875
Caufield - 8.5
PLD - 8.5
Dach - 8.5
Slaf - 8.5

41.875 million for our top 5 forwards.

Leafs big 4 are around the same price.

We are fine.

Man i know it's just hypothetically but if those 4 were paid more than Suzuki id puke lmao

 

[waitin425]

Man i know it's just hypothetically but if those 4 were paid more than Suzuki id puke lmao

Me too. But I was going absolute max just to show that it's doable

 

[SwiftyHab]

Dvorak has an 8 team NTC kicking in July 1st so unless they’re in a rush to get Dubois which I doubt they are, Dvorak isn’t even an option to balance out cap in a trade for him. He wasn’t thrilled about leaving Arizona to come to Montreal, you think he’s jumping at the idea of Winnipeg?

Guess we’re trading for PLD in June then

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I have come to the conclusion that I only want PLD if he comes at a significant hometown discount and we wait for him as a UFA. He has a history of being a problem and I don't think his acquisition justifies losing major assets or creating serious cap problems down the road. I would rather continue to build slowly and explore the allure of playing for MSL in an organization run by Gorton and Hughes who are committed to making the player experience second to none. We may not need a PLD if other top UFAs are drawn to the unique situation that is now in Montreal.