Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[OnTheRun]

Things went full circle in la la land, two years ago it was Suzuki and now it's Dach. Once again, Jets can ask for whatever they want, but the Habs aren't building a trade around those pieces.

 

[BergevinBurner]

If Hughes is considering a deal around Florida's pick for PLD, I wonder if there's any "backup deals" he's exploring incase they can't reach a deal with the Jets. I just have a strong feeling we won't end up using that pick at the draft.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Am I the only one who doesn't think the Florida pick is in play for PLD?

Given the circumstances, I think Jets won't get as much as they'd like and Habs will keep the pick or trade for another, younger player like they did with Kirby. Maybe a RD or other player we don't even know is available.

But Jets don't need draft picks right now, they need bodies and NHL ready or close to ready prospects IMO and Habs can certainly help them out with that as well.

Time will see. The draft should be lit AF!!

 

[BergevinBurner]

But Jets don't need draft picks right now, they need bodies and NHL ready or close to ready prospects IMO and Habs can certainly help them out with that as well.

Time will see. The draft should be lit AF!!

I'd say that Florida's pick is probably the highest value asset the Jets could get from Montreal in a trade.

If they want to do a retool instead of a rebuild then I could see a situation where they trade for Florida's pick and instantly flip it for a roster player like we did last year at the draft.

 

[Egresch]

He wanted out of Columbis and got his wish. Winnipeg was infected long before he got there. Whether he joined with the cancerous players we don't know. I would think HuGo will know if he has a bad attitude.

Absolutely, I do not understand the panic around his attitude. Habs management definitely know what was behind his CBJ and WPG issues. Hughes has a lot of connections and people in the business know all those stories. They would not be interested in him, if he was just another Celine Dion.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I'd say that Florida's pick is probably the highest value asset the Jets could get from Montreal in a trade.

If they want to do a retool instead of a rebuild then I could see a situation where they trade for Florida's pick and instantly flip it for a roster player like we did last year at the draft.

Jets can’t afford a tear down/rebuild. Small market team that needs to be competitive not only to keep bums in seats but to retain talent they already have. Helle, Wheeler, Ehlers, Scheifele, Morrisey, Connor, etc. won’t want to stay for a rebuild and things can go downhill real quick from there.

 

[neopreneur]

If the Jets want Dach for PLD, they need to add.

 

[SlafySZN]

If the Jets want Dach for PLD, they need to add.

It was an example from Friendman. Never said Dach was ever on the table.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Am I the only one who doesn't think the Florida pick is in play for PLD?

Given the circumstances, I think Jets won't get as much as they'd like and Habs will keep the pick or trade for another, younger player like they did with Kirby. Maybe a RD or other player we don't even know is available.

But Jets don't need draft picks right now, they need bodies and NHL ready or close to ready prospects IMO and Habs can certainly help them out with that as well.

Time will see. The draft should be lit AF!!

Hughes already said they are willing to trade the 17th overall pick. I don't think he will offer it at the beginning, but if its draft day and still no deal has been made, I see him offering it.

 

[Mudz]

It was an example from Friendman. Never said Dach was ever on the table.

It's funny how English isn't my first language and even I understood this.

But the next 6 pages are going to be about Dach vs Dubois

 

[HuGort]

He will ask/get 9~10% of the cap

If he was a star he would ask for 11~13% and 14ish% if was a super star.

How much money that % represent in actual money depends on when he sign his deal.

Dubois might do slight cut sign in Montreal. Suzuki deal. 7.85 million for 7 years

 

[SlafySZN]

It's funny how English isn't my first language and even I understood this.

But the next 6 pages are going to be about Dach vs Dubois

 

[neopreneur]

It was an example from Friendman. Never said Dach was ever on the table.

Ah, didn't realize this lol

 

[SwiftyHab]

Am I the only one who doesn't think the Florida pick is in play for PLD?

Given the circumstances, I think Jets won't get as much as they'd like and Habs will keep the pick or trade for another, younger player like they did with Kirby. Maybe a RD or other player we don't even know is available.

But Jets don't need draft picks right now, they need bodies and NHL ready or close to ready prospects IMO and Habs can certainly help them out with that as well.

Time will see. The draft should be lit AF!!

After that performce, you might be right

 

[OnTheRun]

Dubois might do slight cut sign in Montreal. Suzuki deal. 7.85 million for 7 years

He will get something similar to Suzuki, that was 9.5% IIRC at the time he signed that deal.

 

[26Mats]

Nah that was different, Gomez was already declining and was way overpaid, it was a well known fact that the Rangers desperately wanted to get rid of him to sign Gaborik. I remember being floored that we gave up Higgins for him, that was before hearing McDonagh's name and at that point I just couldn't believe it. Dubois is not the same type of asset at all, and our GM is not that stupid.

Gainey wasn't the king of asset management.

When he saw something he wanted, he went after it. But in the process if building the team he wanted, he didn't always think of maximizing his assets. Ex: letting Streit get to free agency, letting all those other players get to free agency.

Whereas Hughes sees himself as someone looking to buy low and sell high. He will try to exploit the value of every last asset, as part of building a team. I'm curious to see how he plays the part of his hand that is exploding with an abundance if LD's.

 

[BLONG7]

It was an example from Friendman. Never said Dach was ever on the table.

Dach is a better piece than Dubois, no way he is in the deal.......he will become a much better player, in the next few years, while making 3.8M
He will be a 60 pt player, while going from 21-22 to his next deal at 25-26

Dubois will get picks and prospects, and one roster player, but it wont be Dach.

 

[sampollock]

Dach is a better piece than Dubois, no way he is in the deal.......he will become a much better player, in the next few years, while making 3.8M
He will be a 60 pt player, while going from 21-22 to his next deal at 25-26

Dubois will get picks and prospects, and one roster player, but it wont be Dach.

agreed
no way Dach is in the deal no way

 

[SpeedyPotato]

Gainey wasn't the king of asset management.

When he saw something he wanted, he went after it. But in the process if building the team he wanted, he didn't always think of maximizing his assets. Ex: letting Streit get to free agency, letting all those other players get to free agency.

Whereas Hughes sees himself as someone looking to buy low and sell high. He will try to exploit the value of every last asset, as part of building a team. I'm curious to see how he plays the part of his hand that is exploding with an abundance if LD's.

100% agreed, I really trust this management team, they're smart and calculated, they'll make mistakes for sure, everyone does, but I doubt it'll be of this magnitude.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Hughes already said they are willing to trade the 17th overall pick. I don't think he will offer it at the beginning, but if its draft day and still no deal has been made, I see him offering it.

I agree and if you read my post, I say I think it’s in play just not for PLD.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Do you know who else is a French Diva?

Still wouldn't compare PLD to Drouin

Love this response

 

[FerrisRox]

Chevy has to pretend he has leverage, because they couldn’t give Wheeler away last year and Sheif is a head case. If they want to rebuild, PLD is their most valuable asset, as little as it is at the moment. Trading PLD for Dvorak and scraps won’t be a good look for him.

I think Scheifele would be a very valuable trade chip if they wanted to move him.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Bring the kid home
I'd gladly throw the 2023 1st Floride Pick in Winnipeg's direction + to get him this year

 

[Schooner Guy]

Bowness’s comments about his core are alarming. No pushback when facing elimination.

 

[JT3]

True, but also don't think it's wise to have a minimum of 3 8+ million forwards when none of them are top 10 players in the league. You're gonna need a depth piece as that 6th forward who won't cost a fortune.

Patrik Laine - 8.7m
Dylan Larkin - 8.7m
Filip Forsberg - 8.5m
Mikhail Sergachev - 8.5m
Bo Horvat - 8.5m
Roope Hintz - 8.45m
Miro Heiskanen - 8.45m
Tim Stutzle - 8.35m
Brady Tkachuk - 8.2m
Tomas Hertl - 8.1m
Jordan Kyrou - 8.1m
Robert Thomas - 8.1m
Jack Hughes - 8m
JT Miller - 8m

That's a list of players in the 8-9m range that signed deals within the last couple years. How many of them are top 10 players? The going rate for a top 10 player isn't 8-9m anymore, it's 11+. Ideally Dubois would come in around 8m just above Suzuki. Hopefully no more than 8.5, beyond that it starts to get pretty dicey imo and probably not worth it