Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[Vachon23]

Marek - PLD has interest in playing for other teams than Montreal, but we all say/heard what transpired at the draft.

Friedman - I heard a team was willing to trade for PLD last year and take him on for 2 years, even if he wants to go to Montreal. - Also said teams are still looking at him as a 1 year rental

Friedman - If the Jets ask for Dach, if the deal was thar simple it would be done already.

Winnipeg is going to do the best deal they can for PLD.

Of course they will ! They won't give us PLD for fun

 

[SpeedyPotato]

This is what I'm afraid of.

I think people do tend to overrate PLD for sure, but I don't see it, guy has 3 60+ point seasons at 24, Drouin has 0 at 28. PLD also plays a more useful type of game and is a C. Yeah he might not always play the PF type game but he's still a big physical type forward, while Drouin is all skills and nothing else. I really don't see this thing going the same way and I also think this current management, coaching staff and leadership group is better equipped for this type of risk. We've seen players come in the right places and start performing, showing the character and consistency they hadn't previously shown, just look at Dach this year. If they bring PLD aboard, I'll trust that HuGo know what they're doing.

 

[Skip Bayless]

Dubois Dach Roy

"The habs have spent the last 2:38 minutes cycling in the leafs' end"

 

[Canadienna]

Friedman - If the Jets ask for Dach, if the deal was thar simple it would be done already.

This quote confused me. Is he saying Montreal wouldn't give up Dach or that WPG wants more than Dach?

 

[26Mats]

We aren’t bad enough to tank next year too. I don’t know how people don’t realize that.

Dach's emergence was huge. Once Monahan went down, we really suffered. But then when Dach emerged as a 2nd C, we were a lot better.

If we're healthy, I think we'll be in the Detroit, Buffalo, Ottawa range - especially if we were to re-sign Monahan and he could be healthy, and then we'd have 3 good C's. Having Matheson, Guhle, and Savard healthy would also make a difference. We could also have pretty decent goaltending with Montembault playing 45-50 games and Allen 30-35.

 

[McGees]

I think giving up younger cheaper Dach is already not the best move but if they wanted more…nah

 

[Sorinth]

Going Suzuki - Dubois - Dach would be so good for our young wingers like Caufield, Slaf, RHP, Heineman, Roy, Mesar, Farrell, etc... over the next few years.

If we re-sign Monahan, we could load up the top 2 lines with Dubois on the wing when Monahan is healthy. When he's not, we go back to Suzuki - Dach - Dubois down the middle.

Yeah there would be a lot of flexibility because pretty much all of them can go from center to wing as needed. Being able to load up at key times in the game such as after icings or near the end of periods can bring an outsized influence on the game. Even just as a way to break the opponents matchup game it can quite useful.

I think giving up younger cheaper Dach is already not the best move but if they wanted more…nah

Yeah there;s no chance we give up Dach even though Winnipeg would clearly want that type of trade. The big question is can they get something similar from another team. For example could the NYR find a way to make a Chytil for Dubois trade work? It's possible and NYR is probably one of the teams that Dubois would consider signing with.

 

[SpeedyPotato]

I think giving up younger cheaper Dach is already not the best move but if they wanted more…nah

I wouldn't give Dach, no way, I think chances are he becomes the better player and I've loved the edge he's shown with us along with the elite skill. There should be other ways to get PLD here, which I'm totally on board for, but not for Kirby.

 

[dinodebino]

Yup, he's a really flawed player. A complementary player, and not a leader. People are going to hate how this kid plays the majority of the time.

I wonder if it’s because he’s not a centre. I think he’s flawed inside his own blue line. He’s be a might fine power winger.

Do you want to want to risk spending $8 million over the next 8 years to find out the cancer that’s seems to follow him everywhere was in fact him all along? Nope. No thank you. Don’t need him. Next!

although you might be right, I think you’ll be disappointed.

 

[Skip Bayless]

I think giving up younger cheaper Dach is already not the best move but if they wanted more…nah

There's no point in trading Dach for Dubois. Dach is younger, cheaper and will probably become just as good of a player in the next couple of seasons.

 

[le_sean]

This quote confused me. Is he saying Montreal wouldn't give up Dach or that WPG wants more than Dach?

The context here is that Montreal won’t give Dach up. That the price is lower than expected because of the situation.

Friedman and Marek also heavily implying that if another team acquired PLD, they know it’s for one-year. The writing seems to be on the wall that at the very least he’s going to test free agency.

 

[MarkJ]

I prefer Dach to Dubois plus how would that improve us substantially since you give 1 player and get only 1 back?

 

[26Mats]

If Dubois really wanted to come here without making his new team (us) give up too many assets, he could sign a 1 year offer sheet at 4.5M. That way, if the Jets match, they can't trade him and he can sign with us next year. If the Jets want some compensation before losing him in summer 2024, they can not match, and get a 2nd rounder.

The context here is that Montreal won’t give Dach up. That the price is lower than expected because of the situation.

Friedman and Marek also heavily implying that if another team acquired PLD, they know it’s for one-year. The writing seems to be on the wall that at the very least he’s going to test free agency.

They were even saying those teams that might be interested in Dubois for 1 year, knowing he'll go to Montreal in free agency in 1 year.

 

[morhilane]

This quote confused me. Is he saying Montreal wouldn't give up Dach or that WPG wants more than Dach?

The rumors at least year draft is that the Jets wanted Suzuki+ for Dubois. I doubt they consider Dach enough.

What I take from Marek's latest is that the Jets are going to trade Dubois as a rental to another team than Montréal and Dubois will sign elsewhere as a UFA chasing the money and using Montréal as leverage like all the others before him...

 

[Vachon23]

Trading Dach for Dubois would be a useless trade. The goal is to add PLD to our offensive core of Suzuki/Caufield/Dach/Slaf (we hope so). We would be in the same situation by trading Dach vs Dubois.

 

[Sorinth]

If Dubois really wanted to come here without making his new team (us) give up too many assets, he could sign a 1 year offer sheet at 4.5M. That way, if the Jets match, they can't trade him and he can sign with us next year. If the Jets want some compensation before losing him in summer 2024, they can not match, and get a 2nd rounder.


They were even saying those teams that might be interested in Dubois for 1 year, knowing he'll go to Montreal in free agency in 1 year.

If Winnipeg can't trade him at the draft they'll assuredly take him to arbitration which prevents any offer sheets and allows them to trade him.

 

[dinodebino]

Timmah Chevy is playing the comms game. This isn’t coming from Dubois’ camp.

The fact remains that Habs are going to make an offer once the dust is settled. That’s a given. And that the Jets have no leverage. None. In ANY trade possibility with any team. There is not a scribe in this league, let alone a GM, that doesn’t know by now that Dubois wants out.

 

[salbutera]

You dont pay a player 8-9 million to be a secondary option...

yes … in todays cap world but that’ll become norm in a $100M+ cap ceiling world, which will become reality within 2-seasons

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

This quote confused me. Is he saying Montreal wouldn't give up Dach or that WPG wants more than Dach?

He didn't go on further than that. My guess is the Habs don't want to do that as they want to add to Dach

 

[26Mats]

Timmah Chevy is playing the comms game. This isn’t coming from Dubois’ camp.

The fact remains that Habs are going to make an offer once the dust is settled. That’s a given. And that the Jets have no leverage. None. In ANY trade possibility with any team. There is not a scribe in this league, let alone a GM, that doesn’t know by now that Dubois wants out.

Some teams may be interested in Dubois as a 1 year rental. Whatever price they're willing to pay for 1 year of Dubois, say at 50% retained, is Chevy's leverage.

If Winnipeg can't trade him at the draft they'll assuredly take him to arbitration which prevents any offer sheets and allows them to trade him.

Do you know what the date is that Dubois's current contract expires? That's the date his agent can come out and publicly talk about interest in other teams like Montreal, as he did last year. Because technically he'll be a free agent, even if a restricted free agent.

 

[dinodebino]

Some teams may be interested in Dubois as a 1 year rental. Whatever price they're willing to pay for 1 year of Dubois, say at 50% retained, is Chevy's leverage.


Do you know what the date is that Dubois's current contract expires? That's the date his agent can come out and publicly talk about interest in other teams like Montreal, as he did last year. Because technically he'll be a free agent, even if a restricted free agent.

That’s no leverage. It’s nothing. Leverage, in real life, is when you control the cards. That is leverage. He has none. He’s got possibilities, alternatives, yes. But zero leverage.

 

[CaptainKirk]

That’s no leverage. It’s nothing. Leverage, in real life, is when you control the cards. That is leverage. He has none. He’s got possibilities, alternatives, yes. But zero leverage.

Chevy has to pretend he has leverage, because they couldn’t give Wheeler away last year and Sheif is a head case. If they want to rebuild, PLD is their most valuable asset, as little as it is at the moment. Trading PLD for Dvorak and scraps won’t be a good look for him.

 

[Hannibal]

Good old leak from Winnipeg’s side lol.

If we include Florida’s pick, they won’t have a better pick/deal from a team that see PLD as a one year rental.

If we want to include Florida’s pick, it’s as done as it gets.

FLO’s pick + Prospect is a better deal than all other team that want PLD as rental.

 

[JoelWarlord]

I dunno, all this speculation to me really just comes down to if a discounted deal is there we'll do it and otherwise we won't. I don't see the FO going out of their way to acquire this player if it's not at a discount. If it turns out it's true there's a bunch of other teams he's willing to sign for then yeah, we aren't going to outbid a contender that's desperate for a 2C in UFA. If it turns out the earlier reports and speculation about him only wanting to sign here are true we'll get him whether it's in trade or UFA. I don't think we need to be scared that they're going to target this player at any cost, the only reason we're interested is because it's an opportunity to get a player at a discount price. I think the narrative in here has been approaching the thing backwards as if this is our FO being absolutely infatuated with the player and I just don't think that's the case.

I'd read that quote of "if it was that simple it would already be done" to mean that if Montreal put Dach on the table it already would have happened. I would be extremely surprised if they included him unless we're also getting Ehlers back and dumping salary or something. I really just can't see it happening, I would be genuinely shocked and extremely disappointed if we include Dach in a trade for Dubois.

We aren’t bad enough to tank next year too. I don’t know how people don’t realize that.

Yeah, this is something I don't really get. We had league-worst injuries, Allen was terrible all year, and we barely scraped into a bottom 5 tank. It's not impossible that we could have even worse injuries and a goaltending collapse to finish in the bottom 3-5 range next year but that's a huge stretch and not something I would base my team building decisions on.

The more likely outcome by far is that we're in the 7-10 range next year, or potentially the 10-12 range if we get Bedard, with an outside chance at a few places higher if the stars align and we have multiple prospects all show up to camp having taken massive strides.

 

[SwiftyHab]

Good old leak from Winnipeg’s side lol.

If we include Florida’s pick, they won’t have a better pick/deal from a team that see PLD as a one year rental.

If we want to include Florida’s pick, it’s as done as it gets.

FLO’s pick + Prospect is a better deal than all other team that want PLD as rental.

Leaked from Winnipeg board?