Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[nhlfan9191]

Could Chevy get fired?? This is his circus....


These organizations also lack big leadership...............and it seems no one wants to play in either market once they get estblished.

PLD is carrying some baggage with him, no doubt about it................I think he and his agent have both been in the dumps since the Jackets stepped up and drafted him............they both thought Bergevin and the Habs had him in his draft year.

We saw the ugly selfish side of Schieffle when he hit Evans in the series against us. Add just a few more attitudes like that and you’re bound to run into problems.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

I think most people (there are some wild ones, I'll admit) know he's no McDavid. But a 60+pts, 24 years old, 6'4'' winger? Yes please. And I really don't care, but we know Molson and the journalists care that he speaks french.

He doesn't really use his size to any real advantage. He only got 15 pts in his final 30 games, and has too many games where he's just invisible or doesn't seem to give a crap. He's a complete non-factor in so many games.

This has another Drouin trade written all over it. The expectations of this board & fans in general of PLD versus who he actually is as a player, well, there's a cavernous gap between those 2 things.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

That core aint winning anything they should just blow it up this summer they have alot of good pieces

 

[loudi94]

I’d swap Harris as a Habs GM.

Dvorak, Harris and Florida’s first is a fair package given Winnipeg’s bargaining position. This would be for an extended PLD as well. I’d argue that maybe a later pick should come back to us as well, like a 3rd.

All this talk about prospects and picks is all fine and dandy, but we need to send salary back to Winnipeg. Dvorak or Anderson make the most sense, but Anderson probably has WPG on his no trade list.

If we want to pick up a Dubois, with his obvious reputation for not giving it 100 all the time, we need a guy like Andy around to keep him honest and even drag him into the fray on occasion. This team is starting to look pretty good on paper, Anderson is part of that to me.

 

[_habsfan9]

you have to think that this crash and burn for the jets is going to cheapen their ask, +1 for kent and the boys

 

[MasterD]

We aren’t bad enough to tank next year too. I don’t know how people don’t realize that.

If Montambeault goes back to playing like he did before this year, yes we will be.

If he keeps being a #1, then you're right.

 

[le_sean]

If we want to pick up a Dubois, with his obvious reputation for not giving it 100 all the time, we need a guy like Andy around to keep him honest and even drag him into the fray on occasion. This team is starting to look pretty good on paper, Anderson is part of that to me.

You want Josh Anderson to hold players accountable for not giving an effort? Why? Because he’s even more experienced at doing the same thing?

 

[Monsieur Miz]

Can't wait for Drouin 2.0 to join our team.

 

[nhlfan9191]

We aren’t bad enough to tank next year too. I don’t know how people don’t realize that.

We had a winning record going into mid December. If it wasn’t for Suzuki/Caufield/Monahan/Montembault and Allen (at times) being so hot, we’d be talking about Bedard right now. Not saying a few of those players can’t substain a nice pace, but it’s going to be really hard with the supporting cast not to still be in the bottom 5-10 unless they go against what they said they’re doing and start trying to patch holes all over the roster.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Columbus was toxic. Winnipeg was toxic. Maybe Dubois is part of the problem in these situations and it’s not a coincidence.

Its obviously not a coincidence and anybody thinking so is just lying to themselves. I like the player and would take him if we can get him without giving anything of significance up and have him on a reasonable contract but yeah the dudes a diva who pouts around. Would get impaled by fans in Montreal if he ever did that here.

 

[Shawnathon]

Its obviously not a coincidence and anybody thinking so is just lying to themselves. I like the player and would take him if we can get him without giving anything of significance up and have him on a reasonable contract but yeah the dudes a diva who pouts around. Would get impaled by fans in Montreal if he ever did that here.

People treat me like a troll because I can see the car accident just a block ahead but I guess they’re just to in love with him to see it.

 

[Skip Bayless]

Its obviously not a coincidence and anybody thinking so is just lying to themselves. I like the player and would take him if we can get him without giving anything of significance up and have him on a reasonable contract but yeah the dudes a diva who pouts around. Would get impaled by fans in Montreal if he ever did that here.

Dubois : " I-"


Fans: "There's no I in team."

 

[le_sean]

If Montambeault goes back to playing like he did before this year, yes we will be.

If he keeps being a #1, then you're right.

I highly doubt we will have three years in a row of record man games lost to injury. We have a young core only getting better. If Monty flops, we have Allen.

I’m not saying the team will be good, but they won’t be bottom 5.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

We saw the ugly selfish side of Schieffle when he hit Evans in the series against us. Add just a few more attitudes like that and you’re bound to run into problems.

There were apparently cliques on the Jets during Maurice' tenure. Wheeler is probably the biggest problem. Who konws if that has had any affect on Dubois' performance.

 

[le_sean]

We had a winning record going into mid December. If it wasn’t for Suzuki/Caufield/Monahan/Montembault and Allen (at times) being so hot, we’d be talking about Bedard right now. Not saying a few of those players can’t substain a nice pace, but it’s going to be really hard with the supporting cast not to still be in the bottom 5-10 unless they go against what they said they’re doing and start trying to patch holes all over the roster.

Why is your first thought that they were hot and not that great players like Caufield and Monahan getting hurt as being the reason they foundered? Caufield was on pace for over 40 goals. Monahan 55 points.

 

[Benstheman]

Lol.

 

[No More Subban]

Can't wait for Drouin 2.0 to join our team.

This is what I'm afraid of.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Why is your first thought that they were hot and not that great players like Caufield and Monahan getting hurt as being the reason they foundered? Caufield was on pace for over 40 goals. Monahan 55 points.

I say they were hot because they were but I also said that doesn’t mean they couldn’t keep a nice pace. The NHL always starts out super loose at the beginning of the season so we could get away with playing pond hockey, but once things tightened up we were one of the worst teams in the league. I just don’t see enough happening this offseason for much of that to change.

 

[sampollock]

Kent on the phone with Chevy. PLD at draft . book it

 

[Sterling Archer]

He’s quit on a team before so just speculating that if there was stuff going on behind the scenes, he’d be one of the first I’d look at. His numbers sucked the second half of the season too. Tortorella has been in a HC position in 20+ of the seasons since 2000 so even if he is a hard ass, he’s obviously doing something right and shouldn’t have been able to chase a player away like that. He does start to become a common denominator and the last thing we need at the beginning of a full rebuild is an overpaid drama Queen.

Just to be clear, are you saying that players don't ever tune out their coaches? It's huge mystery to many as to how Torts keeps getting hired. The only success he had was a Cup win with a truly stacked Tampa team. Otherwise, it's been years of mediocrity and firings. The only GMs who hire him are the ones who think a hard ass coach is what the team needs and ends in spectacular failure every tiime. Some/most players in this generation do not respond well to being berated and yelled at all the time. We literally see this all the time and has caused a shift to a new era of coaching techniques and the old school bully coaches to be pushed out.

Sorry but just too much wrong in this post to accuratly commment. He "quit" on his team doesn't take into consideration what was going on in the background. He requested and was told he'd be traded. When he wasn't, dogging it was the only way he could send a message that he didn't want to be there and was miserable. Hardly the first time a player has done this.

Moving from one toxic team where the player he was traded for, Laine, also asked for a trade out of his team didn't help matters and led to much of the same. Laine hated Jets because of the abuse he endured from Wheeler and Scheifele. Trouba couldn't wait to get out, Chiarot was offered more money to stay in Winnipeg and rejected their offer outright, Stanley has asked to be traded, Scheifele said he doesn't know if he sees himself there long term and Evander Kane before them. When you have that many players asking to be moved publically, isn't that a bigger sign of a bad environment than on the players? I think so.

You can call him names all you want, but you don't know what is going on or how many times he's been dicked around. By several accounts he had expected to be moved on several occasions and non ever materialized yet he's still never publically asked for a trade and was 4th in scoring while playing injured. I don't see how you get to him being a drama queen but hey, everyones got an opion.

 

[Wats]

Can't wait for Drouin 2.0 to join our team.

Drouin was never really good at the NHL level. Yzerman pump and dumped him during a lost season. At 24, PLD already has 3 25+g/60+pt seasons. Only red flag year/similarity was the way he pouted his way out of Columbus.

 

[Shawnathon]

Just to be clear, are you saying that players don't ever tune out their coaches? It's huge mystery to many as to how Torts keeps getting hired. The only success he had was a Cup win with a truly stacked Tampa team. Otherwise, it's been years of mediocrity and firings. The only GMs who hire him are the ones who think a hard ass coach is what the team needs and ends in spectacular failure every tiime. Some/most players in this generation do not respond well to being berated and yelled at all the time. We literally see this all the time and has caused a shift to a new era of coaching techniques and the old school bully coaches to be pushed out.

Sorry but just too much wrong in this post to accuratly commment. He "quit" on his team doesn't take into consideration what was going on in the background. He requested and was told he'd be traded. When he wasn't, dogging it was the only way he could send a message that he didn't want to be there and was miserable. Hardly the first time a player has done this.

Moving from one toxic team where the player he was traded for, Laine, also asked for a trade out of his team didn't help matters and led to much of the same. Laine hated Jets because of the abuse he endured from Wheeler and Scheifele. Trouba couldn't wait to get out, Chiarot was offered more money to stay in Winnipeg and rejected their offer outright, Stanley has asked to be traded, Scheifele said he doesn't know if he sees himself there long term and Evander Kane before them. When you have that many players asking to be moved publically, isn't that a bigger sign of a bad environment than on the players? I think so.

You can call him names all you want, but you don't know what is going on or how many times he's been dicked around. By several accounts he had expected to be moved on several occasions and non ever materialized yet he's still never publically asked for a trade and was 4th in scoring while playing injured. I don't see how you get to him being a drama queen but hey, everyones got an opion.

Do you want to want to risk spending $8 million over the next 8 years to find out the cancer that’s seems to follow him everywhere was in fact him all along? Nope. No thank you. Don’t need him. Next!

 

[Hannibal]

Gimme PLD any day of the week.

Hope we get him this offseason.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I say they were hot because they were but I also said that doesn’t mean they couldn’t keep a nice pace. The NHL always starts out super loose at the beginning of the season so we could get away with playing pond hockey, but once things tightened up we were one of the worst teams in the league. I just don’t see enough happening this offseason for much of that to change.

Agreed. And we don't know how Montembault will perform if the games actually mean something. If they take 2 players in the draft that are years away they won't be much better. If they add a player or 2 ready for the NHL then they won't be near the bottom.

 

[MasterD]

Why is your first thought that they were hot and not that great players like Caufield and Monahan getting hurt as being the reason they foundered? Caufield was on pace for over 40 goals. Monahan 55 points.

You couldn't possibly have expected Monahan to last the whole season.
We had no other regulars producing offense besides Caufield, Suzuki and Dach.
3 rookie dmen + Barron a bit later.
Allen is tire fire.
Montambeault was very good this year, but it's a first in his career. Can't expect this to last at this point, we'll see if he can keep this up next year and the next.

Do you want to want to risk spending $8 million over the next 8 years to find out the cancer that’s seems to follow him everywhere was in fact him all along? Nope. No thank you. Don’t need him. Next!

He has great trade value now, he'll have great trade value next year, and in 2 years, and in 3 years. If it doesn't work out, trade him. He actually has a track record of producing in a top 6 role in the NHL, which Drouin didn't have when we got him.

Drouin was never really good at the NHL level. Yzerman pump and dumped him during a lost season. At 24, PLD already has 3 25+g/60+pt seasons. Only red flag year/similarity was the way he pouted his way out of Columbus.

One pouted about Yzerman/Cooper, the other pouted about Tortorella.

Pouting is never great, but these two situations are nothing alike.