Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

What is the point of adding a player who is ready now and then drafting a guy 4 years away. If Michkov is taken with Mtl's ast then they might as well take a player who is years away with the second 1st and tank for Celebrini.

or they can just be stupid and send him in the NHL like they did with Slaf and many others.

 

[General Fanager]

I didn't watch that series. But he put up 4 points in 5 games against a good, playoff tested Vegas team. Was he really the problem? Or is the Jets roster just not good enough?

If we get him, I'd expect him to be our Taylor Hall: not the focal point, but a really good secondary option. He could either complement Cole and Nick, play with Dach, or center one of our 3 scoring top 9 lines, with Suzy and Dach centering the other two.

You dont pay a player 8-9 million to be a secondary option...

 

[sandviper]

I would think it is, I’m pretty sure the Jets will be blowing it all up over the off season, and PLD with his forewarning to Jets management that he was testing UFA, automatically makes him a guy you deal.

From the beginning I’ve said the deal will likely look like:

To Winnipeg:
1st round pick (Florida)
Justin Barron
Christian Dvorak

To Montreal:
Pierre-Luc Dubois who is immediately signed to a 8 by 8 year deal.

Similar to the Bo Horvat deal. Winnipeg reunites the Barron brothers and adds a first to help them rebuild, while taking on a Center to help soften the blow of losing PLD.

Montreal acquires the big, talented, physical, top line center they’ve needed for a long time.

Potential lines next year:

Caufield - Suzuki - Dach
Harvey-Pinard - Dubois - Anderson
Slafkovsky - Fantilli (hey I can dream)- Gallagher
Pezzetta - Evans - Ylönen

Matheson - Harris
Guhle - Savard
Xhekaj - Kovacevic

I’d swap Harris as a Habs GM.

Dvorak, Harris and Florida’s first is a fair package given Winnipeg’s bargaining position. This would be for an extended PLD as well. I’d argue that maybe a later pick should come back to us as well, like a 3rd.

All this talk about prospects and picks is all fine and dandy, but we need to send salary back to Winnipeg. Dvorak or Anderson make the most sense, but Anderson probably has WPG on his no trade list.

 

[Apoplectic Habs Fan]

I have less concern of the cost to acquire PLD then i do of what he feels his contract should be.

I see a 6.5 dollar player maybe 7 buying UFA yrs

 

[MarkovsKnee]

I have less concern of the cost to acquire PLD then i do of what he feels his contract should be.

I see a 6.5 dollar player maybe 7 buying UFA yrs

Yup, he's a really flawed player. A complementary player, and not a leader. People are going to hate how this kid plays the majority of the time.

 

[NORiculous]

I would not trade Barron. No chance in hell.

If the Jets want any of these, we could talk:
Strubble
Dvorak
Anderson
Lesser picks. (They probably want NHL players though)

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

7x7 max , if he just wants to come home to milk the cow he can Frick off!!!

I would not trade Barron. No chance in hell.

If the Jets want any of these, we could talk:
Strubble
Dvorak
Anderson
Lesser picks. (They probably want NHL players though)

I have no issues with absolutely low balling and disrespecting the jets with trash offers , they are from a position of weakness and will get fleeced like idiots or he goes straight to ufa and i love it

 

[NORiculous]

7x7 max , if he just wants to come home to milk the cow he can Frick off!!!


I have no issues with absolutely low balling and disrespecting the jets with trash offers , they are from a position of weakness and will get fleeced like idiots or he goes straight to ufa and i love it

At some point they will want something instead of nothing. That’s when the Habs should step in.

 

[StCaufield]

Save your money kent. Use it on a game breaker and not a good player who’s French. He’d be a non factor if he were English only. Don’t be stupid. He’s good but not 3k thread good

 

[Naslundforever]

What is the point of adding a player who is ready now and then drafting a guy 4 years away. If Michkov is taken with Mtl's ast then they might as well take a player who is years away with the second 1st and tank for Celebrini.

This makes sense on paper on the optimal theoretical path to the cup.

But if I close my eyes right now and concentrate a bit I swear I can hear just faintly… … “Dach through the neutral zone… dishes the puck to Michkov OH! WHAT A MOVE! To-Dooobouah-shoots-he-SCOOOOOOOORES! the Canadiens win the 2029 Stanley cup! What a goaaaaaaal!…”

 

[SwiftyHab]

Rick Bowness went off on his players for not pushing back



Fine. We’ll take PLD off your hands but you’ll have to give us a conditional first to do it

 

[BLONG7]

I would not trade Barron. No chance in hell.

If the Jets want any of these, we could talk:
Strubble
Dvorak
Anderson
Lesser picks. (They probably want NHL players though)

I don't want Barron traded either..................there is some great offensive upside there.
Still needs more experience on the back end, but boy he is a PMD from the right side......he is a keeper.

7x7 max , if he just wants to come home to milk the cow he can Frick off!!!


I have no issues with absolutely low balling and disrespecting the jets with trash offers , they are from a position of weakness and will get fleeced like idiots or he goes straight to ufa and i love it

Leverage....................this, is Kent Hughes favorite flavor of everything.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Rick Bowness went off on his players for not pushing back

He's right. They rolled over.

 

[SwiftyHab]

He's right. They rolled over.

The whole dressing room was toxic last season. So much so that the coach just quit and they hardly changed any of the players. It’s not a good environment to be in and I’m not sure it reflects what individual players can do

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Yop,

or Wiseman ?

Lol, I wouldn't go that low.

 

[MasterD]

Yup, he's a really flawed player. A complementary player, and not a leader. People are going to hate how this kid plays the majority of the time.

I think most people (there are some wild ones, I'll admit) know he's no McDavid. But a 60+pts, 24 years old, 6'4'' winger? Yes please. And I really don't care, but we know Molson and the journalists care that he speaks french.

 

[JHabs]

People on Twitter ragging on Dubois for mailing it in a couple of shifts, but we've seen this Jets core for awhile now do the same thing over and over.

I think it starts with Schiefele and Wheeler. Something tells me those guys aren't exactly the core leadership you want in a team. I wouldn't be shocked if Winnipeg trades PLD (obviously), but also Schiefele

 

[BaseballCoach]

If there wasn't the possibility of getting Dubois for free, I'd consider Barron and 17OA for PLD with an extension. But that's a lot to pay for a guy we may be able to get for free.

Ultimately, our best offer will have to be in the vicinity of what Chevy thinks he can get for PLD at the TDL as a rental. Chevy may take slightly less to get a deal done in advance so he can plan what to do with the other pending 2024 UFA's in advance.

17OA is already a better pick than he can hope to get from a contender looking to add PLD as a rental. Not sure we'd have to add Barron. Maybe a Kidney level prospect would do it, or Mesar.

My offer is: Mesar, Kidney, Harris, and Engstrom.

Mesar is the equivalent of a late first, Harris (or Evans or Ylonen) is the cheap roster player, and I would give a 2nd or 3rd to compensate for the potentially light Mesar upside. Kidney or Engstrom or Kapanen would be alternatives to Mesar, not multiple add-ons.

 

[Shawnathon]

The whole dressing room was toxic last season. So much so that the coach just quit and they hardly changed any of the players. It’s not a good environment to be in and I’m not sure it reflects what individual players can do

Columbus was toxic. Winnipeg was toxic. Maybe Dubois is part of the problem in these situations and it’s not a coincidence.

 

[Naslundforever]

I'd love to see a poll of people who think PLD is worth 17th OA, PLUS, PLUS VS those who do not want to spend 17th OA plus plus on him.

In this thread he is both the big talented center always needed and aint looking good at all. Quantum.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Columbus was toxic. Winnipeg was toxic. Maybe Dubois is part of the problem in these situations and it’s not a coincidence.

Except for the fact that multiple players requested trades from both teams and even the ones that didn't offically request a trade were out fo there the first chance they had. If it was just PLD ir might be something, but it's happened with several players on both teams so I'm inclined to think it's a franchise issue more than anything else.

 

[BLONG7]

The whole dressing room was toxic last season. So much so that the coach just quit and they hardly changed any of the players. It’s not a good environment to be in and I’m not sure it reflects what individual players can do

Could Chevy get fired?? This is his circus....

Columbus was toxic. Winnipeg was toxic. Maybe Dubois is part of the problem in these situations and it’s not a coincidence.

These organizations also lack big leadership...............and it seems no one wants to play in either market once they get estblished.

PLD is carrying some baggage with him, no doubt about it................I think he and his agent have both been in the dumps since the Jackets stepped up and drafted him............they both thought Bergevin and the Habs had him in his draft year.

 

[Shawnathon]

Except for the fact that multiple players requested trades from both teams and even the ones that didn't offically request a trade were out fo there the first chance they had. If it was just PLD ir might be something, but it's happened with several players on both teams so I'm inclined to think it's a franchise issue more than anything else.

He’s quit on a team before so just speculating that if there was stuff going on behind the scenes, he’d be one of the first I’d look at. His numbers sucked the second half of the season too. Tortorella has been in a HC position in 20+ of the seasons since 2000 so even if he is a hard ass, he’s obviously doing something right and shouldn’t have been able to chase a player away like that. He does start to become a common denominator and the last thing we need at the beginning of a full rebuild is an overpaid drama Queen.

 

[26Mats]

Mesar is the equivalent of a late first, Harris (or Evans or Ylonen) is the cheap roster player, and I would give a 2nd or 3rd to compensate for the potentially light Mesar upside. Kidney or Engstrom or Kapanen would be alternatives to Mesar, not multiple add-ons.

I'm ok with giving multiple prospects if they're from a position of strength in the organization. We have a ton of LD prospects and a ton of forward prospects in Kidney's range.

Sometimes, you have to give to get. The problem with a Mesar, Engstrom, Kidney, and Harris package is it doesn't address the Jets' needs and it probably isn't a package they can turn around and flip for a good NHLer.

 

[le_sean]

What is the point of adding a player who is ready now and then drafting a guy 4 years away. If Michkov is taken with Mtl's ast then they might as well take a player who is years away with the second 1st and tank for Celebrini.

We aren’t bad enough to tank next year too. I don’t know how people don’t realize that.