Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[Corky]

I’m pretty chilled about it personally. I’m happy if the Habs pick another prospect at 17th because that draft is just stacked. I’ve been reading Scott Wheeler’s profile on prospects in the Athletic and that is certainly getting me excited.

On the other hand, I’m absolutely fine if we trade the pick to get Dubois, even more so if we end up with a guy like Mitchkov with our pick which we will not see for another 3 years.

Essentially, I think we’re in a pretty good situation here and we can all just relax.

 

[Sorinth]

This is bizarre.

I have *repeatedly* said that I am definitely interested in Dubois joining the Canadiens.

I have said it at least ten times in various posts in this thread.

I also, I never said that Dubois isn't "worth" Justin Barron. So it's kind of odd that you are attributing that to me.

I responded to a post suggesting that packaging the Florida Panthers first round pick and Justin Barron for Dubois would be a good trade for the team. I think it would be grossly incompetent during a rebuild to surrender a first round pick and a prospect like Barron. A 6'2 defensemen with excellent skating, great potential as a puck mover and a right hand shot is something we should *absolutely keep.* It's nonsensical to trade that away for a player who reportedly is very interested in playing here and is a year away from free agency.

Keep Barron and the pick and focus on Dubois if and when he becomes a free agent. And if he doesn't then keep rebuilding the team as originally planned.

You said you would be furious if we traded Barron for Dubois, you also said it would be gross incompetence and that you would officially lose faith in the management group if we did. Here's your posts for reference

If they trade Barron to get Dubois a year early, I will officially lose faith in this management group.

I can't imagine they would be stupid enough to do this.

I'm only interested if we wait til UFA and I would be furious if we surrendered a 6'2 right shot defensemen that skates as well Barron to acquire a forward who allegedly wants to come here anyway.

That would be gross incompetence on the management level.

 

[FerrisRox]

You said you would be furious if we traded Barron for Dubois, you also said it would be gross incompetence and that you would officially lose faith in the management group if we did. Here's your posts for reference

Yes, and what am I responding to? A post about trading the Florida pick and Barron. Two valuable assets for a rebuild dealt away a year and a half into a rebuild to acquire a player who is reportedly interested in coming here and is a year away from free agency.

Upon further review, I may have mis-read the post. It might have been saying the Florida pick *or* Barron as opposed to the Florida pick *and* Barron.

 

[Rapala]

Yes, and what am I responding to? A post about trading the Florida pick and Barron. Two valuable assets for a rebuild dealt away a year and a half into a rebuild to acquire a player who is reportedly interested in coming here and is a year away from free agency.

Upon further review, I may have mis-read the post. It might have been saying the Florida pick *or* Barron as opposed to the Florida pick *and* Barron.

Regardless Barron should not and will not be on the table until our right side matures some. It makes no sense to move him until we have a viable replacement.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I’m pretty chilled about it personally. I’m happy if the Habs pick another prospect at 17th because that draft is just stacked. I’ve been reading Scott Wheeler’s profile on prospects in the Athletic and that is certainly getting me excited.

On the other hand, I’m absolutely fine if we trade the pick to get Dubois, even more so if we end up with a guy like Mitchkov with our pick which we will not see for another 3 years.

Essentially, I think we’re in a pretty good situation here and we can all just relax.

What is the point of adding a player who is ready now and then drafting a guy 4 years away. If Michkov is taken with Mtl's ast then they might as well take a player who is years away with the second 1st and tank for Celebrini.

 

[sampollock]

Until pld is in red, we keep

 

[ZUKI]

Yes, and what am I responding to? A post about trading the Florida pick and Barron. Two valuable assets for a rebuild dealt away a year and a half into a rebuild to acquire a player who is reportedly interested in coming here and is a year away from free agency.

Upon further review, I may have mis-read the post. It might have been saying the Florida pick *or* Barron as opposed to the Florida pick *and* Barron.

First of all, the chance that a 17 Th draft pick turns into a player as good as Dubois, is probably less than 8-10%.
Then never Hughes would trade Barron and a 1st round for Dubois, without having a deal in place. Never .
Barron is an interesting prospect, he's flying on the ice. But yet, he hasn't prove anything on a season long period. Also, the Habs have been drafted a lot of dmen prospect last 3-4 years. It would be sad to loose Barron, but for a player as good if not better than Suzuki, you do it.

Wait until he's a free agent ? before he was injured, Dubois was a PPG player. He has missed +- 10 games and took time to find back his rythme .Then what if next season he puts a 80-90 points season ? Suddenly you will need to pay him more in the free agents market...

To end, would you give Barron and a first round 17th selection for Suzuki ? Me without hesitation

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

First of all, the chance that a 17 Th draft pick turns into a player as good as Dubois, is probably less than 8-10%.
Then never Hughes would trade Barron and a 1st round for Dubois, without having a deal in place. Never .
Barron is an interesting prospect, he's flying on the ice. But yet, he hasn't prove anything on a season long period. Also, the Habs have been drafted a lot of dmen prospect last 3-4 years. It would be sad to loose Barron, but for a player as good if not better than Suzuki, you do it.

Wait until he's a free agent ? before he was injured, Dubois was a PPG player. He has missed +- 10 games and took time to find back his rythme .Then what if next season he puts a 80-90 points season ? Suddenly you will need to pay him more in the free agents market...

To end, would you give Barron and a first round 17th selection for Suzuki ? Me without hesitation

All that talk about Barron but maybe it can be Harris.

 

[ZUKI]

All that talk about Barron but maybe it can be Harris.

Yop,

or Wiseman ?

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

That’s not how this works though. If his only choice is to play for the Habs, some other team acquiring him for a season doesn’t change that.

I mean it’s a 95% certainty he’s a hab haha, but we have to cough up 1st round picks and prospects just in case. Story, doesn’t checkout.

Yeah honestly the Jets have zero leverage. They're in one of the worst positions imaginable because other teams that could possibly trade for PLD know it wouldn't be long term and is just a year rental at best and the Jets know that everyone think that besides the Habs. So while they can get the most out of the Habs (sign and trade for example), they cant push their luck or the Habs could simply call their bluff and risk a mil or 2 more for Dubois in Ufa instead of pàying to get him via trade. I would trade a package like Dvorak, a 2nd, and a top 6-10 prospect. If anything Habs would also give up another non 1st Rd pick as a sweetener

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Last game for Dubois in a jets jersey?

 

[le_sean]

If this score holds up and the Jets lose in 5, they will want to make big changes in the offseason.

 

[The Great Weal]

PLD ain't looking good at all although nobody on the Jets looks good.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

I would think it is, I’m pretty sure the Jets will be blowing it all up over the off season, and PLD with his forewarning to Jets management that he was testing UFA, automatically makes him a guy you deal.

From the beginning I’ve said the deal will likely look like:

To Winnipeg:
1st round pick (Florida)
Justin Barron
Christian Dvorak

To Montreal:
Pierre-Luc Dubois who is immediately signed to a 8 by 8 year deal.

Similar to the Bo Horvat deal. Winnipeg reunites the Barron brothers and adds a first to help them rebuild, while taking on a Center to help soften the blow of losing PLD.

Montreal acquires the big, talented, physical, top line center they’ve needed for a long time.

Potential lines next year:

Caufield - Suzuki - Dach
Harvey-Pinard - Dubois - Anderson
Slafkovsky - Fantilli (hey I can dream)- Gallagher
Pezzetta - Evans - Ylönen

Matheson - Harris
Guhle - Savard
Xhekaj - Kovacevic

 

[Canadienna]

I would think it is, I’m pretty sure the Jets will be blowing it all up over the off season, and PLD with his forewarning to Jets management that he was testing UFA, automatically makes him a guy you deal.

From the beginning I’ve said the deal will likely look like:

To Winnipeg:
1st round pick (Florida)
Justin Barron
Christian Dvorak

To Montreal:
Pierre-Luc Dubois who is immediately signed to a 8 by 8 year deal.

Similar to the Bo Horvat deal. Winnipeg reunites the Barron brothers and adds a first to help them rebuild, while taking on a Center to help soften the blow of losing PLD.

Montreal acquires the big, talented, physical, top line center they’ve needed for a long time.

Potential lines next year:

Caufield - Suzuki - Dach
Harvey-Pinard - Dubois - Anderson
Slafkovsky - Fantilli (hey I can dream)- Gallagher
Pezzetta - Evans - Ylönen

Matheson - Harris
Guhle - Savard
Xhekaj - Kovacevic

Barron works for the Jets but not really for the Habs. We can't have 5 LD in the lineup.

Both teams need young capable RD.

 

[26Mats]

If this score holds up and the Jets lose in 5, they will want to make big changes in the offseason.

So far Dubois is the only one who has asked out, it seems.

So, the Jets may try to trade him to us for a package of futures that they can then use to flip for a good young NHL player that they can sign long term.

If they can't do that, they may have to blow it up and trade all their good players for futures. Because their good players may not want to re-sign if Dubois is traded for futures. They may not want to take a step back. Hellybuk has already stated he won't re-sign for a rebuild.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Not a fan of having Barron included in any PLD trade. Actually hard pass totally

 

[nhlfan9191]

I would think it is, I’m pretty sure the Jets will be blowing it all up over the off season, and PLD with his forewarning to Jets management that he was testing UFA, automatically makes him a guy you deal.

From the beginning I’ve said the deal will likely look like:

To Winnipeg:
1st round pick (Florida)
Justin Barron
Christian Dvorak

To Montreal:
Pierre-Luc Dubois who is immediately signed to a 8 by 8 year deal.

Similar to the Bo Horvat deal. Winnipeg reunites the Barron brothers and adds a first to help them rebuild, while taking on a Center to help soften the blow of losing PLD.

Montreal acquires the big, talented, physical, top line center they’ve needed for a long time.

Potential lines next year:

Caufield - Suzuki - Dach
Harvey-Pinard - Dubois - Anderson
Slafkovsky - Fantilli (hey I can dream)- Gallagher
Pezzetta - Evans - Ylönen

Matheson - Harris
Guhle - Savard
Xhekaj - Kovacevic

Whether we’re overvaluing Barron or not, we simply aren’t in a position to be trading good RHD prospects right now. Adding him on top of a draft pick that is very likely 17th in a good draft is serious over payment to a team with only 1 year of control left on a player.

 

[26Mats]

Whether we’re overvaluing Barron or not, we simply aren’t in a position to be trading good RHD prospects right now. Adding him on top of a draft pick that is very likely 17th in a good draft is serious over payment to a team with only 1 year of control left on a player.

If there wasn't the possibility of getting Dubois for free, I'd consider Barron and 17OA for PLD with an extension. But that's a lot to pay for a guy we may be able to get for free.

Ultimately, our best offer will have to be in the vicinity of what Chevy thinks he can get for PLD at the TDL as a rental. Chevy may take slightly less to get a deal done in advance so he can plan what to do with the other pending 2024 UFA's in advance.

17OA is already a better pick than he can hope to get from a contender looking to add PLD as a rental. Not sure we'd have to add Barron. Maybe a Kidney level prospect would do it, or Mesar.

My offer is: Mesar, Kidney, Harris, and Engstrom.

 

[nhlfan9191]

If there wasn't the possibility of getting Dubois for free, I'd consider Barron and 17OA for PLD with an extension. But that's a lot to pay for a guy we may be able to get for free.

Ultimately, our best offer will have to be in the vicinity of what Chevy thinks he can get for PLD at the TDL as a rental. Chevy may take slightly less to get a deal done in advance so he can plan what to do with the other pending 2024 UFA's in advance.

17OA is already a better pick than he can hope to get from a contender looking to add PLD as a rental. Not sure we'd have to add Barron. Maybe a Kidney level prospect would do it, or Mesar.

My offer is: Mesar, Kidney, Harris, and Engstrom.

We’re in a position to wait Winnipeg out. I don’t understand the rush to get this done immediately unless their ask is reasonable and we know his contract demands are also fair. Seeing offers like Barron+17th++ is just not realistic. We’re giving Winnipeg a big get out of jail free card at that kind of price.

 

[26Mats]

We’re in a position to wait Winnipeg out. I don’t understand the rush to get this done immediately unless their ask is reasonable and we know his contract demands are also fair. Seeing offers like Barron+17th++ is just not realistic. We’re giving Winnipeg a big get out of jail free card at that kind of price.

You pay that price if you think it's possible another team trades for him and throws big money at him to extend him. Hard for me to have a definitive read on whether that's a possibility.

But I'd rather include Mesar than Barron or the 17th pick. Hard for me to say whether I'd rather give up the 17th pick or Barron. I'd rather give up a good LD prospect like Engstrom. But I've heard the Jets as also need RD prospects and are full at LD. Maybe if the Jets are going to flip the futures for an established NHLer, LD prospects work.

 

[The Great Weal]

PLD is such a good guy that he half-assed his playoff performance so we can get him with just Mesar and Dvorak. What a guy.

 

[26Mats]

PLD is such a good guy that he half-assed his playoff performance so we can get him with just Mesar and Dvorak. What a guy.

I didn't watch that series. But he put up 4 points in 5 games against a good, playoff tested Vegas team. Was he really the problem? Or is the Jets roster just not good enough?

If we get him, I'd expect him to be our Taylor Hall: not the focal point, but a really good secondary option. He could either complement Cole and Nick, play with Dach, or center one of our 3 scoring top 9 lines, with Suzy and Dach centering the other two.

 

[River Meadow]

I'd love to see a poll of people who think PLD is worth 17th OA, PLUS, PLUS VS those who do not want to spend 17th OA plus plus on him.

 

[River Meadow]

What is the point of adding a player who is ready now and then drafting a guy 4 years away. If Michkov is taken with Mtl's ast then they might as well take a player who is years away with the second 1st and tank for Celebrini.

DING DING DING.

This is why we need to keep 17th OA and look forward to 4-5 yrs from now.