Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[MXD]

He also asked to be traded in junior.

Let's not forget that. 3 times in 7 years.

Most intelligent people would simply not really care, or would at least credit PLD for actually reporting to a team he didn't really care for, something MANY juniors don't do.

 

[ZUKI]

He also asked to be traded in junior.

Let's not forget that. 3 times in 7 years.

I don't really care about the Junior league ; we don't know what was the reasons , who took the decision- parents, agents player , school that doesn't fit - . Anyway the decisions of a 16-17 years old kid aren't in the files for me. Too young.

Now, about Tortorella, ; we all know his methods, the way he likes to expose and humiliate his players publicly. Dubois is just one of a bunch of players that didn't want to play for this foolish. And as a Québécois, no way i would accept the kind of treatments the coach has made. This isn't acceptable in our culture and what most of you see has a bad attitude, a mistake, is to me the right thing he has to do ; he stands up in front of the coach and showed him " you don't act like this with me, there are other coaches, other teams , so eats that . This team was doing good , that season and the next one, this coach has completely destroyed it.

Dubois didn't ask to be traded in Winnipeg. He told them that he wouldn't re-sign with them once free agent. A way to tell them you can keep me or try to get the max out of me.

Just agree to disagree here .

Yeah, zero sympathy from me either regarding Dubois not wanting to stay in Winnipeg. They had to know he wanted Montreal before they traded for him.

LOL , it was know well before

 

[MXD]

I don't really care about the Junior league ; we don't know what was the reasons , who took the decision- parents, agents player , school that doesn't fit - . Anyway the decisions of a 16-17 years old kid aren't in the files for me. Too young.

It's been a while since Cape Breton has been at the top of the desirability scale in the Q (especially for Francophones).

I mean, Nathan McKinnon also asked to be traded in the Juniors. But he got drafted by a team located in one of the most desirable areas in the NHL. PLD wasn't afforded that luxury.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

PLD reiterated today that he wants to test free agency and choose where to play & live.

Since it's 2 consecutive years that he's said that, I'm going to take him at his word that the man wants to be UFA July 1st regardless.

He'll be traded to a team as a one year rental then Montreal will be one of several teams vying for his services July 1, 2024.

 

[SwiftyHab]

Interesting end of season interview with PLD

Winnipeg Jets end of season media availability: Cole Perfetti and Pierre-Luc Dubois – Illegal Curve Hockey

Perfetti and Dubois spoke from Matt Frost Media Centre.

illegalcurve.com

 

[InAG-P]

PLD reiterated today that he wants to test free agency and choose where to play & live.

Since it's 2 consecutive years that he's said that, I'm going to take him at his word that the man wants to be UFA July 1st regardless.

He'll be traded to a team as a one year rental then Montreal will be one of several teams vying for his services July 1, 2024.

My heart says he's coming to Montreal.

But my brain says to accept the pain that comes along with PLD signing with the Rangers. Or one of the Florida teams.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

My heart says he's coming to Montreal.

But my brain says to accept the pain that comes along with PLD signing with the Rangers. Or one of the Florida teams.

Quebecois guys seems to love the Florida teams.

It seems to me that PLD actually wants to be UFA, and it isn't just some ploy to get traded to Montreal.

 

[Paddy17]

PLD at the Suzuki rate but no more than Horvat. Caufield at the Suzuki rate.

Dach when he signs will be a 6.5 million max. Slaf will be a short term deal for less money. If he explodes and he is a Stutzle like deal than that's fine too.

Let's go max here and round up for everyone. Including Dach

Suzuki - 7.875
Caufield - 8.5
PLD - 8.5
Dach - 8.5
Slaf - 8.5

41.875 million for our top 5 forwards.

Leafs big 4 are around the same price.

We are fine.

You forgot Bedard.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Tavares is an anchor contract. Leafs would love to move it.

Well, well, well ! Right now Leafs fans would love to move contract of Tavares !!
.... eeehhh, maybe not at THIS moment !

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Dubois has that Pacioretty vibe in the sense that if you expect him to be your 1st or 2nd best player on offense, you’re in trouble. But he is still a quality top 6 forward

Paccioretty had the badluck of never having a legit center to feed him. PLD is a center and his badluck would be less than Pacioretty. It's easyer for a good center to find good wingers than a winger to find his center. Is it Hedjuk who made Sakic or Sakic who made Hedjuk?

 

[Schooner Guy]

I don't really care about the Junior league ; we don't know what was the reasons , who took the decision- parents, agents player , school that doesn't fit - . Anyway the decisions of a 16-17 years old kid aren't in the files for me. Too young.

Now, about Tortorella, ; we all know his methods, the way he likes to expose and humiliate his players publicly. Dubois is just one of a bunch of players that didn't want to play for this foolish. And as a Québécois, no way i would accept the kind of treatments the coach has made. This isn't acceptable in our culture and what most of you see has a bad attitude, a mistake, is to me the right thing he has to do ; he stands up in front of the coach and showed him " you don't act like this with me, there are other coaches, other teams , so eats that . This team was doing good , that season and the next one, this coach has completely destroyed it.

Dubois didn't ask to be traded in Winnipeg. He told them that he wouldn't re-sign with them once free agent. A way to tell them you can keep me or try to get the max out of me.

Just agree to disagree here .


LOL , it was know well before

At what point do we stop giving him the benefit of the doubt? I mean he was a complete no-show with his season on the line this week just like he was a no-show in the playoffs against the Habs two years ago. Rick Bowness is a hockey-lifer who is normally very composed. He couldn't hold his frustration back after elimination and was clearly referring to PLD as one of the players who hasn't shown any pushback since February.

PLD is a year away from a huge contract that some team will likely regret. In the cap era, you're only as good as your contract.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

PLD has a f***ed up hip ? Probably the one that doesn't recover, so he's coming here for sure.

Recovers fine, probably ends up somewhere else.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

We win the 1st overall pick and trade it for PLD

 

[MadMslm]

I don't really care about the Junior league ; we don't know what was the reasons , who took the decision- parents, agents player , school that doesn't fit - . Anyway the decisions of a 16-17 years old kid aren't in the files for me. Too young.

Now, about Tortorella, ; we all know his methods, the way he likes to expose and humiliate his players publicly. Dubois is just one of a bunch of players that didn't want to play for this foolish. And as a Québécois, no way i would accept the kind of treatments the coach has made. This isn't acceptable in our culture and what most of you see has a bad attitude, a mistake, is to me the right thing he has to do ; he stands up in front of the coach and showed him " you don't act like this with me, there are other coaches, other teams , so eats that . This team was doing good , that season and the next one, this coach has completely destroyed it.

I consider Tortorella to be one of the best in the league. So i don’t agree with anything you said here.

Dubois phoned it in, and Torts exposed him.

It’s as simple as that, you can find whatever excuse for him, he needs to be accountable.

He disrespected his coaching staff and teammates by with his effort level.

You can’t go around giving special treatment, unless you truly are a special player (which he isn’t), heck even Ovechkin got humbled by Trotz.

Other players don’t respect that, they expect their teammates to give the same effort they do as you would like a coworker to work as hard as you do.

But I get it, every one big and mad, poor little Dubois.

 

[Schooner Guy]

I consider Tortorella to be one of the best in the league. So i don’t agree with anything you said here.

Dubois phoned it in, and Torts exposed him.

It’s as simple as that, you can find whatever excuse for him, he needs to be accountable.

He disrespected his coaching staff and teammates by with his effort level.

You can’t go around giving special treatment, unless you truly are a special player (which he isn’t), heck even Ovechkin got humbled by Trotz.

Other players don’t respect that, they expect their teammates to give the same effort they do as you would like a coworker to work as hard as you do.

But I get it, every one big and mad, poor little Dubois.

Torts and Bowness are two long-time coaches who know who is a gamer and who isn't.

The youngsters in Philly loved Torts this year and made huge strides under him (Konecny, Tippett, Cates, Frost, York). Their veterans stunk.

 

[nhlfan9191]

I consider Tortorella to be one of the best in the league. So i don’t agree with anything you said here.

Dubois phoned it in, and Torts exposed him.

It’s as simple as that, you can find whatever excuse for him, he needs to be accountable.

He disrespected his coaching staff and teammates by with his effort level.

You can’t go around giving special treatment, unless you truly are a special player (which he isn’t), heck even Ovechkin got humbled by Trotz.

Other players don’t respect that, they expect their teammates to give the same effort they do as you would like a coworker to work as hard as you do.

But I get it, every one big and mad, poor little Dubois.

There’s one poster in here that went as far to say Dubois was being “mentally tortured” by Tortorella. Lol he had a feud with a coach. He wasn’t happy with his situation. It happens all the time. There’s zero excuse for mailing it in. He wasn’t entitled to a trade out of Columbus. He was under contract. I’ve been blasted by a few for pointing out this entitlement as a red flag like we’re suppose to just forget that happened but that’s not realistic when you’re talking about potentially investing 7-8-9 years to a player and giving him money that would immediately make him an important part of the core. We’re in a rebuild and leadership is important. Bad energy seems to follow and float around this guy like a bad fart.

 

[MadMslm]

Torts and Bowness are two long-time coaches who know who is a gamer and who isn't.

The youngsters in Philly loved Torts this year and made huge strides under him (Konecny, Tippett, Cates, Frost, York). Their veterans stunk.

He keeps everyone honest on the team.

I said multiple times that I think Hughes should trade for him, but people running around trying to find excuses for Dubois poor effort level on the ice is incomprehensible to me.

All those guys who have experience they are all wrong, it’s never his fault.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

He keeps everyone honest on the team.

I said multiple times that I think Hughes should trade for him, but people running around trying to find excuses for Dubois poor effort level on the ice is incomprehensible to me.

All those guys who have experience they are all wrong, it’s never his fault.

Dubois has been playing with an injury the last few months. That's a known fact.

In general, Dubois is a player that competes hard.

 

[MadMslm]

Dubois has been playing with an injury the last few months. That's a known fact.

In general, Dubois is a player that competes hard.

I’ve seen enough of Dubois in the last four years to know he doesn’t always compete. He’ll often be invisible on the ice before getting a goal or ending up with two assist at the end of the night.

Doesn’t mean he isn’t a good player, but he isn’t engaged every night. And that’s okay you can’t expect a player to always be “on”, but him just doing nothing on the ice to a level where he’s phoning it is a recurring theme at moments.

I know what to expect out of Dubois, but many fans seems to only remember the guy from that Tampa/Columbus series and some people will turn on him when he’s here.

Might not be the first year, but when things won’t go his way, people should expect a certain behaviour from him.

When he’s “on”, he’s a great player and at normal level he’s good. We can’t not look at a player that would be one of the best three forwards on the team. Like I said, I know what to expect, I just won’t find him an excuse if this behaviour repeats itself here.

And yes he was injured mid-season, but every body is injured at this time of the year. It’s not an excuse to watch the play happen and be a passenger when your season is on the line.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Dubois has been playing with an injury the last few months. That's a known fact.

In general, Dubois is a player that competes hard.

Players that have the reputation of competing hard receive that honour because they do it on a consistent basis and Dubois has not done that at any point in his career. There’s arguments to be made it’s the complete opposite with him.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Players that have the reputation of competing hard receive that honour because they do it on a consistent basis and Dubois has not done that at any point in his career. There’s arguments to be made it’s the complete opposite with him.

Lol 95% of the reputation Dubois gets for not competing hard is due to 1 shift he had with Columbus.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Lol 95% of the reputation Dubois gets for not competing hard is due to 1 shift he had with Columbus.

Not true. Ask Jets fans how they feel about Dubois’s effort level the past 3 years going down the final stretch and in the playoffs. I feel like a lot of people want this guy to be something he’s not.

 

[MadMslm]

Lol 95% of the reputation Dubois gets for not competing hard is due to 1 shift he had with Columbus.

Have you watched game 5 between the Jets/Knights ? Because I think you should, he did worse than Columbus.

He does the same thing sometimes durant the season. I get that you like him (i’m we all do to a certain degree), but you might have a rude awakening if he ever plays here for an extend period of time.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Not true. Ask Jets fans how they feel about Dubois’s effort level the past 3 years going down the final stretch and in the playoffs. I feel like a lot of people want this guy to be something he’s not.

Literally last summer, I quoted several jets fans saying how Dubois was someone who competed hard.

Post in thread 'Trade Proposal Thread #79' HF Habs: - Trade Proposal Thread #79

I've also read the jets board all of this season, and they've been saying the same thing about Dubois until he came back from his injury and struggled.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Literally last summer, I quoted several jets fans saying how Dubois was someone who competed hard.

Post in thread 'Trade Proposal Thread #79' HF Habs: - Trade Proposal Thread #79

I've also read the jets board all of this season, and they've been saying the same thing about Dubois until he came back from his injury and struggled.

You quoting a handful of posters on HF is irrelevant. You could find just as many deluded Habs fans saying Drouin’s compete level has been good. The narrative didn’t just suddenly shift after an injury like you suggested. Where the hell was he in the series against us 2 years ago?