Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[Kudo Shinichi]

You quoting a handful of posters on HF is irrelevant. You could find just as many deluded Habs fans saying Drouin compete level has been good. The narrative didn’t just suddenly shift after an injury like you suggested. Where the hell was he in the series against us 2 years ago?

You told me to get jets fans opinion on Dubois' effort level, but now that I showed it to you and it contradicts your narrative, that opinion doesn't matter lol. That was a majority opinion.

Where was the whole jets team in that series 2 years ago? What about the Dubois who looked incredible with the jackets?!

Anyways, this whole effort talk is meaningless since Hughes isn't dumb. He's not going to reject a young 6'4 60+ pts center because the player didn't play his best hockey for a few playoff games.

 

[nhlfan9191]

You told me to get jets fans opinion on Dubois' effort level, but now that I showed it to you and it contradicts your narrative, that opinion doesn't matter lol. That was a majority opinion.

Where was the whole jets team in that series 2 years ago? What about the Dubois who looked incredible with the jackets?!

Anyways, this whole effort talk is meaningless since Hughes isn't dumb. He's not going to reject a young 6'4 60+ pts center because the player didn't play his best hockey for a few playoff games.

When I said go look at Jets fans opinions, I didn’t mean quote a few randoms. It’s impossible to actually capture the narrative properly that way. I meant read the room and we’re seeing completely different things when it comes to that. And we’re talking about Dubois the player, not the Winnipeg Jets as a team. I would hope if we’re overpaying for a player, which is likely what it will take to get this guy, that he’s part of the solution as opposed to part of the problem when things aren’t going well for whatever team he’s playing for. That’s a horrible excuse. And I keep hearing the “he’s a 6’4 powerforward” narrative. He isn’t overly physical for a guy his size so constantly bringing up his height measurements doesn’t move the needle either way. I’ll take a guy who works and produces the way Gallagher did in his prime over somebody who’s simply just big.

 

[ReHabs]

I’ll take a guy who works and produces the way Gallagher did in his prime over somebody who’s simply just big.

He’s much better than Gallagher.

Think of him as a very good second line player.

Flawed but less flaws than our current second line players. And much more productive.

 

[NORiculous]

He’s much better than Gallagher.

Think of him as a very good second line player.

Flawed but less flaws than our current second line players. And much more productive.

Suzuki and Dach are both 2nd line centres. I do believe Dach could still become a #1 if he continues to get better.

Having a guy like PLD would give the Habs some flexibility in case of injury (and we know that has Hughes attention) but he would need to become Suzuki’s winger.

So I am not against getting PLD but the price to pay should be minor. AKA Dvorak, Stubble and a 2nd.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Interesting end of season interview with PLD

Winnipeg Jets end of season media availability: Cole Perfetti and Pierre-Luc Dubois – Illegal Curve Hockey

Perfetti and Dubois spoke from Matt Frost Media Centre.

illegalcurve.com

He’s so outta there this off season.

 

[BLONG7]

Jets have no leverage, and it gets less the longer they keep him..............he will be traded this offseason s0mewhere.................stay tuned.
The media in Montreal will be on fire at the draft....

 

[26Mats]

He’s so outta there this off season.

My sense is that for sure he doesn't want to be there long term, and that potentially he and the Jets will work together on a sign and trade to a team he wants to go to.

I think two things matter to him: the city and the money. So, it will be interesting to see if he and his agent think they can maximize the dollar value of his contract this summer in a sign and trade, or will wait until unrestricted free agency.

 

[Sterling Archer]

My sense is that for sure he doesn't want to be there long term, and that potentially he and the Jets will work together on a sign and trade to a team he wants to go to.

I think two things matter to him: the city and the money. So, it will be interesting to see if he and his agent think they can maximize the dollar value of his contract this summer, or will wait until unrestricted free agency.

That interview makes it very clear he has zero appetite to stay on Winnipeg and after all the turmoil of this past playoffs, it’s pretty apparent the Jets will go through some things this summer to make changes and need to stay competitive to keep their other stats around after next season. I think they’ll want more of a trade to get bodies in the lineup whether it be players on contract and/or young players they have control over. But no doubt, PLD is gone.

 

[26Mats]

That interview makes it very clear he has zero appetite to stay on Winnipeg and after all the turmoil of this past playoffs, it’s pretty apparent the Jets will go through some things this summer to make changes and need to stay competitive to keep their other stats around after next season. I think they’ll want more of a trade to get bodies in the lineup whether it be players on contract and/or young players they have control over. But no doubt, PLD is gone.

They could do a three way trade - get futures from one team and then flip those futures for an established NHL player.

They'll have to see what established NHLers there can get. Because if the ones they can get aren't good enough and the team isn't good now, they will lose Hellybuck and other vets they want to keep. Then they'll have to do a rebuild.

 

[Sterling Archer]

They could do a three way trade - get futures from one team and then flip those futures for an established NHL player.

They'll have to see what established NHLers there can get. Because if the ones they can get aren't good enough and the team isn't good now, they will lose Hellybuck and other vets they want to keep. Then they'll have to do a rebuild.

Agreed and they can’t afford a rebuild and I don’t think they need to either. They have a ton of skilled players and depth now. They just need a body to replace PLD and some solid prospects they can inject into the lineup.

 

[26Mats]

Agreed and they can’t afford a rebuild and I don’t think they need to either. They have a ton of skilled players and depth now. They just need a body to replace PLD and some solid prospects they can inject into the lineup.

It sounds like Dubois isn't the only problem. They will have to move out other players.

Calgary was only able to get so much for Tkachuk - much older players.

 

[BaseballCoach]

When I said go look at Jets fans opinions, I didn’t mean quote a few randoms. It’s impossible to actually capture the narrative properly that way. I meant read the room and we’re seeing completely different things when it comes to that. And we’re talking about Dubois the player, not the Winnipeg Jets as a team. I would hope if we’re overpaying for a player, which is likely what it will take to get this guy, that he’s part of the solution as opposed to part of the problem when things aren’t going well for whatever team he’s playing for. That’s a horrible excuse. And I keep hearing the “he’s a 6’4 powerforward” narrative. He isn’t overly physical for a guy his size so constantly bringing up his height measurements doesn’t move the needle either way. I’ll take a guy who works and produces the way Gallagher did in his prime over somebody who’s simply just big.

Why start with a chip on your shoulder?

Does a guy who just accepts his qualifying offer without pouting, negotiating, holding out, taking the club to arbitration etc. sound like a guy who thinks he is entitled to being overpaid?

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

It sounds like Dubois isn't the only problem. They will have to move out other players.

Calgary was only able to get so much for Tkachuk - much older players.

Wheeler has been the biggest problem for a while now. He is a toxic presence has corrupted other key players as well.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Wheeler has been the biggest problem for a while now. He is a toxic presence has corrupted other key players as well.

100%. He and Scheifele. They ran Kane and Laine out of town. Surprised they lasted as long as they did with the toxicity they bring.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Suzuki and Dach are both 2nd line centres. I do believe Dach could still become a #1 if he continues to get better.

Having a guy like PLD would give the Habs some flexibility in case of injury (and we know that has Hughes attention) but he would need to become Suzuki’s winger.

So I am not against getting PLD but the price to pay should be minor. AKA Dvorak, Stubble and a 2nd.

Why should a player whp is young with top-6 produciton and good skating and size only warrant "minor" assets in acquisition?

The Dvorak contract is a value-wash at best - so your offer is Struble and a 2nd, and maybe less than that.

The Jets got a late first and a roster player for Trouba.

The Florida first is likely too high to give easily, but maybe you replace the first with Mesar plus a 2nd, and offer Harris or Evans as a cheap roster player. If you insist on dumping Dvorak there, we better have Monahan or a good 3C lined up.

If the Jets truly want the Florida first, then either Armia or Gallagher goes with it, and then one cheap roster player not as good as RHP.

If instead they want to compete now, and don't want too much in futures, then Dvorak, Edmundson and Hoffman 50% retained, and a second.

 

[NORiculous]

Why should a player whp is young with top-6 produciton and good skating and size only warrant "minor" assets in acquisition?

Because he has had two exits with don’t look favorable (CLS and WIN). Because he doesn’t lift his team. Because when the going gets tough, he hasn’t done much. Because Win will want something for the rental but I don’t think the Habs should pay for the rental, they should give something for négociation rights.

All this said, if a team beats out the offer then I have zero problem with that because he might end up a Habs anyway…

 

[BaseballCoach]

Because he has had two exits with don’t look favorable (CLS and WIN). Because he doesn’t lift his team. Because when the going gets tough, he hasn’t done much. Because Win will want something for the rental but I don’t think the Habs should pay for the rental, they should give something for négociation rights.

All this said, if a team beats out the offer then I have zero problem with that because he might end up a Habs anyway…

What's not favourable about his last two years in Winnipeg? Good top 6 production, no drama whatsoever.

We have just one player who scores more goals than PLD, and remember Dubois is just turning 25, just one year older than Inconsistent Nick.

I'm not sure why we need to make sure we only give minor assets for him. I'm not saying overpay either, but make a fair offer that might work.

 

[Jack Skellington]

You told me to get jets fans opinion on Dubois' effort level, but now that I showed it to you and it contradicts your narrative, that opinion doesn't matter lol. That was a majority opinion.

Where was the whole jets team in that series 2 years ago? What about the Dubois who looked incredible with the jackets?!

Anyways, this whole effort talk is meaningless since Hughes isn't dumb. He's not going to reject a young 6'4 60+ pts center because the player didn't play his best hockey for a few playoff games.

He keeps getting taller!!

 

[NORiculous]

What's not favourable about his last two years in Winnipeg? Good top 6 production, no drama whatsoever.

We have just one player who scores more goals than PLD, and remember Dubois is just turning 25, just one year older than Inconsistent Nick.

I'm not sure why we need to make sure we only give minor assets for him. I'm not saying overpay either, but make a fair offer that might work.

Since Jan he is something like 22 pts in 35 games. (Including a 4 pts game.) Pace of 50 ish pts which is exactly what the Habs don’t need. (Another 50 pts guy)

Sure he has better potential then that but it is still disappointing, especially in the circumstances.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Since Jan he is something like 22 pts in 35 games. (Including a 4 pts game.) Pace of 50 ish pts which is exactly what the Habs don’t need. (Another 50 pts guy)

Sure he has better potential then that but it is still disappointing, especially in the circumstances.

It should be noted that he played the last half of the season with a hip injury

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

What a gutless playoff performance.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Since Jan he is something like 22 pts in 35 games. (Including a 4 pts game.) Pace of 50 ish pts which is exactly what the Habs don’t need. (Another 50 pts guy)

Sure he has better potential then that but it is still disappointing, especially in the circumstances.

Suzuki had similar production for 35-40 games. Neither is a superstar, but the team will be better with both, plus Dach and Caufield up front.

As for what the Habs need big picture, one need is more younger guys who can score 25+ goals frequently. We have none actually, but we'll say Caufield makes one. That is not enough.

 

[CHwest]

Interesting end of season interview with PLD

Winnipeg Jets end of season media availability: Cole Perfetti and Pierre-Luc Dubois – Illegal Curve Hockey

Perfetti and Dubois spoke from Matt Frost Media Centre.

illegalcurve.com

He seems a little slow if you know what I mean.

Wheeler has been the biggest problem for a while now. He is a toxic presence has corrupted other key players as well.

Seems there are definitely problems.

 

[FerrisRox]

Lol 95% of the reputation Dubois gets for not competing hard is due to 1 shift he had with Columbus.

This is absolutely false.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

This is absolutely false.

Exactly, that moment was a culmination of many shifts/games where he chose not to engage.