Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[TomKosto]

What a gutless playoff performance.

Scheifele 1 point in 4 games.
Conor 3 points in 5 games
Ehlers no point in 1 game.
Hellebuyck with a huge 0,886 save percentage.

Kinda odd to put Dubois on the spot, all the team sucked.

 

[Rapala]

This dossier is becoming a very hot potato. I wonder if Winnipeg are kicking themselves for not taking the offer that was supposedly on the board last season pre draft. I have sneaking suspicion the market crashed. I can't stand his mercenary agent either. Where is the Caufield deal that was reported by more than one source to be coming just before or at season's end. I'll tell you where it is in Pat f***ing Brisson's hands. I always got the impression Caufield was amenable to a Suzuki like deal then at the final hour we hear stuff like he's betting on himself blah blah blah. Agent Speak. What kind of deal do you think he'd push for with Dubois.

 

[Captain97]

Scheifele 1 point in 4 games.
Conor 3 points in 5 games
Ehlers no point in 1 game.
Hellebuyck with a huge 0,886 save percentage.

Kinda odd to put Dubois on the spot, all the team sucked.

Dubois otproduced most of Winnipeg's core. Tied for 4th at 4 points in 5 games.

Like that's a respectablr total when especially when most of your team does nothing.

 

[NORiculous]

Suzuki had similar production for 35-40 games. Neither is a superstar, but the team will be better with both, plus Dach and Caufield up front.

As for what the Habs need big picture, one need is more younger guys who can score 25+ goals frequently. We have none actually, but we'll say Caufield makes one. That is not enough.

No doupt the Habs need more 25+ goal scorers. I think we agree on most points for this segment, except the price to get PLD.

Still think Dach and Suzuki can become a 25-30 goal guys regularly. Add Caufield (40+) and then a guy like PLD (25-30), and there is an interesting base. Hopefully the guy they draft this year can add another 35+.

 

[Sorinth]

I want PLD, mostly because I think a lot of the diva stuff is pretty much solely related to him wanting to play here, but him getting pissed because Columbus ensured that they could match an offer sheet from Montreal is pretty f***ed-up on his end. Like, how are you going to be pissed that the team who drafted you 3rd overall don't want to lose you to an offersheet and try to ensure it not happening?

I'm pretty sure half the diva stuff is actually fans PTSD from Drouin.

 

[FerrisRox]

Exactly, that moment was a culmination of many shifts/games where he chose not to engage.

Not to mention pretending that questions about his compete level went away after he left Columbus is just categorically false.

This is a truly bizarre thread and it seems to get weirder as it goes on.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to add Dubois to this team. I would like to add him, if he can be done via free agency and the number is below $8.5 million.

But there seems to be a small, vocal contingent in this thread that somehow seem *offended* by people that don't want to trade assets to acquire him.

This same group keeps pushing the largely manufactured idea that Dubois is going to make the forward group tougher and more physical which, while true, is largely a mischaracterization of his game. He will make it bigger and tougher, but his toughness and physical play is being grossly overrated for some reason.

Finally, some people want to pretend that there are no red flags in the fact that this player has requested a trade in Junior, requested a trade out of Columbus and now is telling his second NHL team that he has no intention of staying there either. To pretend that isn't somehow concerning at all, or to pretend that this doesn't lead to questions about his character is just silly.

 

[salbutera]

Not to mention pretending that questions about his compete level went away after he left Columbus is just categorically false.

This is a truly bizarre thread and it seems to get weirder as it goes on.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to add Dubois to this team. I would like to add him, if he can be done via free agency and the number is below $8.5 million.

But there seems to be a small, vocal contingent in this thread that somehow seem *offended* by people that don't want to trade assets to acquire him.

This same group keeps pushing the largely manufactured idea that Dubois is going to make the forward group tougher and more physical which, while true, is largely a mischaracterization of his game. He will make it bigger and tougher, but his toughness and physical play is being grossly overrated for some reason.

Finally, some people want to pretend that there are no red flags in the fact that this player has requested a trade in Junior, requested a trade out of Columbus and now is telling his second NHL team that he has no intention of staying there either. To pretend that isn't somehow concerning at all, or to pretend that this doesn't lead to question about his character is just silly.

We can only hope HuGo perform their due diligence - given Hughes was amongst the most active NHL player agents during PLDs career (pre & post draft) should bode well towards any decisions taken

Panarin refused to sign w Mtl from KHL wanting a large US metro center and wanted out of CBJ for only NYC does that lead to questions about his character? Sometimes players (especially this generation) is only interested in their specific locations…it’s their right

 

[FerrisRox]

We can only hope HuGo perform their due diligence - given Hughes was amongst the most active NHL player agents during PLDs career (pre & post draft) should bode well towards any decisions taken

Agreed.

When it comes to assessing a players character, having a former agent as your general manager is very helpful.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

I'm pretty sure half the diva stuff is actually fans PTSD from Drouin.

On this board? More than half. The amount of mouthbreathers who don't want and/or diss Dubois because he's French is nothing more than the thin-veiled bigotry that this board has always let slide, and I say this as an Arab-Canadian who grew up getting in fist fights with French-Canadians because of my ethnicity.

With that said, while I think every concern centering Dubois' attitude is centered around him just wanting to be in Montreal at any cost, I think how and why he got pissed in Columbus is not great, especially the offersheet thing, which is kind of wild. As for Winnipeg, I have zero sympathy or problem. They decided to trade for a guy who they knew wouldn't want to be there. That's on them. But I think Columbus has a legitimate gripe.

 

[salbutera]

John Tavares didn’t negotiate in good faith with Isles, is that a character issue, since he clearly had a final destination in mind..

 

[Spring in Fialta]

John Tavares didn’t negotiate in good faith with Isles, is that a character issue, since he clearly had a final destination in mind..

From what we know, yeah, what he did was kind of f***ed and he most certainly did not act in good faith though I'd say that what Dubois did was worst. Throwing a tantrum because your team ensures they can match an offersheet coming your way is bullshit. Dubois knew Montreal was going to sign him, and he was going to put his name to the paper and got pissed that Columbus didn't just let it happen. He acted absurdly.

I still want to acquire him, once again because all this stuff just seems related to him dying to be here, which should kill any attitude problem in Montreal. That doesn't mean it wasn't f***ed.

 

[salbutera]

From what we know, yeah, what he did was kind of f***ed and he most certainly did not act in good faith though I'd say that what Dubois did was worst. Throwing a tantrum because your team ensures they can match an offersheet coming your way is bullshit. Dubois knew Montreal was going to sign him, was going to put his name to the paper and got pissed that Columbus didn't just let it happen. He acted absurdly.

I’d refer to it as “unprofessional” - which usually is an indication of lack of maturity.

But life situations have a way of making human beings mature over time / with passing events..

 

[Spring in Fialta]

I’d refer to it as “unprofessional” - which usually is an indication of lack of maturity.

But life situations have a way of making human beings mature over time / with passing events..

Call it whatever you want. He was an asshole and Columbus has a gripe. Winnipeg can keep crying though. They knew what the guy wanted when they acquired him. That's on them.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Agreed.

When it comes to assessing a players character, having a former agent as your general manager is very helpful.

Then I guess we should be safe because Hughes wants Dubois.

 

[TomKosto]

Dubois otproduced most of Winnipeg's core. Tied for 4th at 4 points in 5 games.

Like that's a respectablr total when especially when most of your team does nothing.

He was really noticeable in the first game. I also remember his series vs Toronto when he was in Columbus. He has in flaws but he will bring a lot to our top6.

 

[Sterling Archer]

What a gutless playoff performance.

Tied for 4th in team scoring and had a goal disallowed. 4 points in 5 games. “Gutless” I don’t think so. Entire teams played like garbage. This isn’t a PLD was an anchor while the rest of the team excelled situation.

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[BaseballCoach]

No doubt the Habs need more 25+ goal scorers. I think we agree on most points for this segment, except the price to get PLD.

Yes, we seem to agree on his value, but you think the Habs should get him for a steal, or else not get him.

I don't understand this point of view. I've backed off using the Florida first unless there is little else of value going, AND we move a contract we want moved.

But a late first if we had one (or recent late first like Mesar) plus a cheap roster player who will never be in the top half of our team, plus a B prospect unlikely to crack the top half of our team and/or any number of vets who are not top-6F /top-4D material ..... what is the problem? Are you worried that we can't replace Jordan Harris or Jake Evans??

 

[Scriptor]

Not to mention pretending that questions about his compete level went away after he left Columbus is just categorically false.

This is a truly bizarre thread and it seems to get weirder as it goes on.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to add Dubois to this team. I would like to add him, if he can be done via free agency and the number is below $8.5 million.

But there seems to be a small, vocal contingent in this thread that somehow seem *offended* by people that don't want to trade assets to acquire him.

This same group keeps pushing the largely manufactured idea that Dubois is going to make the forward group tougher and more physical which, while true, is largely a mischaracterization of his game. He will make it bigger and tougher, but his toughness and physical play is being grossly overrated for some reason.

Finally, some people want to pretend that there are no red flags in the fact that this player has requested a trade in Junior, requested a trade out of Columbus and now is telling his second NHL team that he has no intention of staying there either. To pretend that isn't somehow concerning at all, or to pretend that this doesn't lead to questions about his character is just silly.

Your claim that you want Dubois at all is disingenuous when you go on to raise flag after flag about why he is a risky acquisition.

But, assuming you had been consistent in your statements about acquiring Dubois and hadn't moved the goal posts as the discussion evolved, I think it is legitimate to prefer not paying assets to acquire Dubois -- WE ALL would prefer that.

I just don't think it is a guarantee that we will get Dubois if we wait until he can hit free agency.

As for physical play. while Dubois is not out terrorizing other players when he is on the ice, he can protect the puck like a big boy and he plays a front net presence that every team would like to have more of.

Offended you don't want to pony up assets for Dubois? No. Not at all.

Probably just want the player much more than you would (if you really want the player at all).

I'd be willing to pay up assets we won't be keeping, but that are still good assets, plus the Florida pick. Beyond that, it's too much, IMO.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Scheifele 1 point in 4 games.
Conor 3 points in 5 games
Ehlers no point in 1 game.
Hellebuyck with a huge 0,886 save percentage.

Kinda odd to put Dubois on the spot, all the team sucked.

But we are talking about Dubois.....and he sucked. Why even mention anyone else? Is it ok to suck if other players suck or does One only suck if they are the only one sucking....? Dubois sucked seashells by the sea shore lol....I digress

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Dubois was one of Winnipeg's best players in the playoffs but that's more telling of the rest of the squad. Great game 1 though.

 

[Scriptor]

John Tavares didn’t negotiate in good faith with Isles, is that a character issue, since he clearly had a final destination in mind..

I think THAT is a character issue - DISHONESTY.

Dubois and his clan have been brutally honest with WIN. At least, they have been transparent and the onus falls on Chevy's Day Off for going ahead with the trade for Dubois in the first place.

 

[ThaDevilGirl]

What's this offersheet story people keep mentioning?

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Your claim that you want Dubois at all is disingenuous when you go on to raise flag after flag about why he is a risky acquisition.

But, assuming you had been consistent in your statements about acquiring Dubois and hadn't moved the goal posts as the discussion evolved, I think it is legitimate to prefer not paying assets to acquire Dubois -- WE ALL would prefer that.

I just don't think it is a guarantee that we will get Dubois if we wait until he can hit free agency.

As for physical play. while Dubois is not out terrorizing other players when he is on the ice, he can protect the puck like a big boy and he plays a front net presence that every team would like to have more of.

Offended you don't want to pony up assets for Dubois? No. Not at all.

Probably just want the player much more than you would (if you really want the player at all).

I'd be willing to pay up assets we won't be keeping, but that are still good assets, plus the Florida pick. Beyond that, it's too much, IMO.

I don't think FerrisRox's position is inconsistent or disingenuous at all but I do agree that I don't understand being steadfast against paying something to get him early if you like the player.

What's this offersheet story people keep mentioning?

According to Aaron Portzline, Dubois was expecting/going to sign a Montreal offersheet. Columbus knew and made a couple of moves to ensure they could match. This apparently completely soured the relationship between Dubois and Columbus as it pissed off Dubois and is what led him to completely check out from there.

 

[Whitesnake]

I'm not giving shit for PLD. If he really wants to test the market and he is REALLY interested in coming in, not only we should be able to sign him....but he'd take less than he'd take elsewhere. That is...IF he is really interested and doesn't use us, like 2000 before him, as a bargaining chip.

But if somehow you do trade for him, there is no way I'm giving up top end prospects. You do not win by filling a spot while emptying another.

 

[1909]

I prefer Habs not to trade for him. If he really, really wants to play for the habs, he will sign here when he is UFA in July 2024. In the meantime, Dach can play second line center, or re-sign Monahan.