Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[MadMslm]

I don’t think the problem with Dubois is wanting to leave a team/city to play elsewhere.

People are using Tavares situation or the Columbus situation to prove a point that is fundamentally different.

If Tavares was on our team and left, I’d be mad at him but it’s his right.

Columbus went all in and acquired players they knew wouldn’t re-sign with them because they thought they could win. Everyone knew Bobrovsky and Panarin were leaving.

The problem with Dubois is completely giving up on his team and teammates on the ice. Which is unacceptable any way you look at it. Blaming the city, the team or the coaching staff is not right.

Those players didn’t give up on their team on the ice, they just exercised their right as free agents.

I do believe there’s other teams that he could sign with, like Los Angeles that could use him as a second line center to push Danault down and they have a lot of prospects that hasn’t panned out but they are still young. Seems like a fitting match for the Jets. I’m sure Dubois wouldn’t refuse 8x8 to play in LA.

Even the Rangers could be interesting place for him to end up and I doubt he refuses a long term contract to play there either.

That’s why I believe you have to trade for him if you really want him, but the price has to be right.

His point production is not the problem, anybody who had eyes and watched the while series saw that he wasn’t giving the effort necessary on the ice.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

He wants to test free agency because he wants to choose his destination. If the team that trades for him is among the list of teams he wants to play for, then that won't be necessary anymore.

Like PLD said in his exit interview, everything is speculation. He hasn't actually said anything other than he wants to be able to choose his destination.

The whole idea of July 1st itself, being free & not beholden to one team, seems to be really enticing to him, so no, there's no guarantee at all that if he gets traded to a chosen destination that he's going to forgo UFA.

In fact, I got the exact opposite message. He wants to go UFA, and have the right to choose - period.

He was quite clear about that. It was a good interview and he's well spoken.

 

[OnTheRun]

Like PLD said in his exit interview, everything is speculation. He hasn't actually said anything other than he wants to be able to choose his destination.

The whole idea of July 1st itself, being free & not beholden to one team, seems to be really enticing to him, so no, there's no guarantee at all that if he gets traded to a chosen destination that he's going to forgo UFA.

In fact, I got the exact opposite message. He wants to go UFA, and have the right to choose - period.

He was quite clear about that. It was a good interview and he's well spoken.

To be fair, it's one of the two things he allowed to say. It's either "I want to stay with the Jets" or "I want to test the market" everything else is tampering.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

To be fair, it's one of the two things he allowed to say. It's either "I want to stay with the Jets" or "I want to test the market" everything else is tampering.

Tampering only applies to teams, no? Not players.

In any case, it was his little story about having to follow his parents around as a little kid to being drafted to teams, then traded without any say in the matter.

It's that statement that convinced me he's UFA bound.

 

[OnTheRun]

Tampering only applies to teams, no? Not players.

In any case, it was his little story about having to follow his parents around as a little kid to being drafted to teams, then traded without any say in the matter.

It's that statement that convinced me he's UFA bound.

Players and agents are bound by the rule too. Agents have the most leeway here, because they can always backpedal whatever they says in "I was just giving my opinion on what I think my client is thinking."

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Are you his spokesman? How could you possibly know what you just posted?

It's obvious.

Like PLD said in his exit interview, everything is speculation. He hasn't actually said anything other than he wants to be able to choose his destination.

The whole idea of July 1st itself, being free & not beholden to one team, seems to be really enticing to him, so no, there's no guarantee at all that if he gets traded to a chosen destination that he's going to forgo UFA.

In fact, I got the exact opposite message. He wants to go UFA, and have the right to choose - period.

He was quite clear about that. It was a good interview and he's well spoken.

His point of being ufa to choose a destination is to be able to play for a team and city he likes. He doesn't need to reach ufa for that to happen.

We know that Montreal is on that list, and everything points to Montreal being his #1 preferred destination. If Montreal trades for him, why would he still want to reach free agency?

Last summer, Tkachuk told the Flames he wasn't going to re-sign with them, so he got traded to a team that was on his list of preferred destinations and signed with that team immediately.
Same thing with Pacioretty when he was a habs, and the same thing with a bunch of other players.

Also, Montreal trading for Dubois, and Dubois still reaching UFA is not possible. The habs won't make a trade for Dubois unless they know they can re-sign him long-term immediately. The Jets will allow Dubois to talk with other teams in order to maximize the return. This summer, Dubois will essentially be like a ufa since he will be able to talk with any team, and the jets will trade him to the team that offers the best package, which will most likely come from a team that knows they can re-sign Dubois long-term.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I’m not going through the whole thread, but the last couple pages of the PLD thread over in the Jets boards have been pretty scathing. Maybe the sting of getting bounced is still too fresh, but it sounds like fans have soured on him.

Jets should be pissed at pretty much everyone on that team

 

[Captain97]

No player in this day and age will even take below market to sign unless it’s with a zero state tax locale even that is almost always “at market” - NHLPA will destroy them for lowering a pay scale.

Did Tavares sign for “less than elsewhere”? Besides, PLD like Huberdeau, Tavares etc qualifies for bonus structured low taxation contract due to his Us residency qualification.

Actually yes, Tavares was offered more money from San Jose.

 

[OnTheRun]

Actually yes, Tavares was offered more money from San Jose.

Still not below market value. Another example is Panarin who took less in NY but still within his market value range.
TL;DR: you don't need to have the absolute "best" offer to sign a player, just don't expect to sign anyone in their prime for a significant discount.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Actually yes, Tavares was offered more money from San Jose.

And from Islanders.

 

[salbutera]

Actually yes, Tavares was offered more money from San Jose.

His bonus structured take home, because he qualifies as US resident is way way more than he’d make in San Jose, Isles or any US market

It’s the huge advantage CDN teams have in countering the no taxation of some US states but only applies to players with US citizenship / green card + residence

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Actually yes, Tavares was offered more money from San Jose.

I believe that was shorter term, though

And from Islanders.

I believe it was just a little less AAV but had the 8th year.

 

[sandviper]

Yeah, the man sounds like he really, really wants to go to free agency. We're not in a position to trade for a one year rental. I think Hughes is aware of that too.

I've already given up on it.

It doesn't sound at all like Montreal is his only destination. I expect him to get traded to a playoff team at draft.

We'll see what happens July 1, 2024.

Yeah, PLD sounds like he wants to not just go where he wants, but also get paid. Basically, if he wants Montreal and NYR for example but the Rangers offer him a significant amount more, he’s not going to take a pay cut to come here.

We may still trade our Florida pick, but I don’t think it’ll be for PLD.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I believe that was shorter term, though

I believe it was just a little less AAV but had the 8th year.

I actually believe it was for more money and term. I’d have to look it up which I do t care to do but I remember Isles were completely screwed over. He asked them not to trade him at the TDL because he would resign and then rejected their offer which was better than Toronto’s. Hence the fans hate for him. It was a total screw job.

 

[salbutera]

Yeah, PLD sounds like he wants to not just go where he wants, but also get paid. Basically, if he wants Montreal and NYR for example but the Rangers offer him a significant amount more, he’s not going to take a pay cut to come here.

We may still trade our Florida pick, but I don’t think it’ll be for PLD.

NYR can’t offer PLD the advantage of sheltering bonus $ as Habs can - so unless he really wants to live in Manhattan as Panarin did, money wise Habs are an easy choice

 

[sampollock]

The city of Toronto is laughing, they are cock's

 

[salbutera]

The city of Toronto is laughing, they are cock's

Head cockroach Tkachuk will be handing them theirs on a silver platter

 

[Destopcorner]

Yeah, PLD sounds like he wants to not just go where he wants, but also get paid. Basically, if he wants Montreal and NYR for example but the Rangers offer him a significant amount more, he’s not going to take a pay cut to come here.

We may still trade our Florida pick, but I don’t think it’ll be for PLD.

He is not after the money, he didn't even negociate for more than his qualifying offer last year.

I'm willing to bet he won't be the highest player on the team just to take away some pressure. Hometown discount means better cap structure for a better team and chance at championship.

PLD wants to win and want it here. He's not after the bank.

 

[ZUKI]

At what point do we stop giving him the benefit of the doubt? I mean he was a complete no-show with his season on the line this week just like he was a no-show in the playoffs against the Habs two years ago. Rick Bowness is a hockey-lifer who is normally very composed. He couldn't hold his frustration back after elimination and was clearly referring to PLD as one of the players who hasn't shown any pushback since February.

PLD is a year away from a huge contract that some team will likely regret. In the cap era, you're only as good as your contract.

27 goals, 63 points in 73 games
4 points in 5 playoffs games.
such a no show !

Like PLD said in his exit interview, everything is speculation. He hasn't actually said anything other than he wants to be able to choose his destination.

The whole idea of July 1st itself, being free & not beholden to one team, seems to be really enticing to him, so no, there's no guarantee at all that if he gets traded to a chosen destination that he's going to forgo UFA.

In fact, I got the exact opposite message. He wants to go UFA, and have the right to choose - period.

He was quite clear about that. It was a good interview and he's well spoken.

Yeah , but that's bullshit ; How dare's Dubois pretending to know more than our forum members, about what he feels, where he wants to play or how much he wants to be paid ? as if he was knowing more than us ...,

 

[ZUKI]

The city of Toronto is laughing, they are cock's

Finally ! it's about time because all the other teams fans bases are laughing at them for decades.
It's about time their fans join us

 

[Schooner Guy]

27 goals, 63 points in 73 games
4 points in 5 playoffs games.
such a no show !

Yeah , but that's bullshit ; How dare's Dubois pretending to know more than our forum members, about what he feels, where he wants to play or how much he wants to be paid ? as if he was knowing more than us ...,

Do you really think points are everything? Did you watch Game 5?

The coach's brutally honest post-game comments hold much more weight.

 

[Mudz]

Yeah, PLD sounds like he wants to not just go where he wants, but also get paid. Basically, if he wants Montreal and NYR for example but the Rangers offer him a significant amount more, he’s not going to take a pay cut to come here.

We may still trade our Florida pick, but I don’t think it’ll be for PLD.

Why are you saying that?

 

[HuGo Sham]

cap hell or not, two contenders in Boston and Colorado could use this guy and I expect them to call Winnipeg

 

[Mudz]

cap hell or not, two contenders in Boston and Colorado could use this guy and I expect them to call Winnipeg

What would be their offer?

 

[MadMslm]

cap hell or not, two contenders in Boston and Colorado could use this guy and I expect them to call Winnipeg

Boston is in big trouble cap wise.

They have 10 millions, but it will be 6 millions once bonuses are applied.

Only 7 forwards, 6 defensemen and 1 goaltender under contract for next year.

They will probably have to choose between Ullmark and Swayman. If they can clear cap, Dubois becomes a really interesting option, but it will take a lot of work.

They barely have any early rounds picks and no first till 2025.

Maybe they would try Swayman and 2025 1st but money needs to go the other side.

Hall can’t move (at least not to Winnipeg), he has an nmc for the first five years. I can’t see anyone with ntc or nmc moving to Winnepeg. Only forwards that could move are Debrusk and Zacha (who recently signed an extension so doubtful).

So Swayman (Jets can move Hellebuyck), 2025 1st and Debrusk for a signed Dubois (8x8).

Seems highly unlikely that the Bruins could get him, unless they can trade Hall to an other team. They just have no money left to do any moves.

Colorado has 13 millions, but only 6 forwards under contract. The only possible contract moving the other way would be Girard.

That’s without Byram’s extension which is probably a priority for them and Newhook.

2024 first + Girard + Newhook would be a start for a signed Dubois.

Seems unlikely too.

Hurricanes could be in the mix with 24 millions, they have a lot prospects and all their picks.
They will have to keep some money to sign Necas, Aho, Skjei and Pesce after next season.

Rangers will surely be interested, they have prospects and young players underperforming.
Money is a problem, but they could make some space.

Kings have no money either and a full line up.

Buffalo has everything needed, but not sure if Dubois would accept to sign there.