Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Bowness will be back, so maybe they big changes in Winnipeg

 

[Sorinth]

On this board? More than half. The amount of mouthbreathers who don't want and/or diss Dubois because he's French is nothing more than the thin-veiled bigotry that this board has always let slide, and I say this as an Arab-Canadian who grew up getting in fist fights with French-Canadians because of my ethnicity.

With that said, while I think every concern centering Dubois' attitude is centered around him just wanting to be in Montreal at any cost, I think how and why he got pissed in Columbus is not great, especially the offersheet thing, which is kind of wild. As for Winnipeg, I have zero sympathy or problem. They decided to trade for a guy who they knew wouldn't want to be there. That's on them. But I think Columbus has a legitimate gripe.

The OS thing is probably not accurate, keep in my the reported said it was his opinion and not something he was told. Honestly I don't have much sympathy for NHL teams nowadays, as a whole they've lost the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Whitesnake]

I've seen Dubois play live for Blainville. You look at this stats and you are impressed. But if you were there, he was insanely bored and was racking points on talent alone. Then the Columbus era....now the Jets....

Yeah, I do believe that sometimes you do evolve. That sometimes it takes the right environment. But how is Montreal the right environment if he goes back to his lazy and demanding attitude when things isn't working well? If somehow, St-Louis decides to move him to the wings? How will Montreal be kind to him?

I would be fine with him here. But it has to be under the right price. And MOST DEFINATELY not be at the expense of a Dach or other top end prospects.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

The OS thing is probably not accurate, keep in my the reported said it was his opinion and not something he was told. Honestly I don't have much sympathy for NHL teams nowadays, as a whole they've lost the benefit of the doubt.

The Portzline thing was just speculation? I'm not doubting you, just would seem like such a specific turn of events that was only speculated.

 

[BaseballCoach]

I would be fine with him here. But it has to be under the right price. And MOST DEFINATELY not be at the expense of a Dach or other top end prospects.

Of course, the idea is to build. We only have 5 strong players, even if we include Dach and Guhle. We should not make a lateral move and swapanother strong player or a prospect with a reasonable chance to become one.

But we have assets that are not likely to be as good as PLD that we can plausibly move in a situation where a guy is 1 year from UFA.

 

[Sorinth]

The Portzline thing was just speculation? I'm not doubting you, just would seem like such a specific turn of events that was only speculated.

»Dubois expected, in my opinion, an offer sheet from the Montreal Canadiens. (in 2020)

Dubois believed he was going to leave Columbus (to join Montreal) and that's where the relationship with the Jackets deteriorated." - Aaron Portzline

So yeah it's opinion/speculation on his part. Now he might have some inside info to support that opinion but he still made in clear that it's opinion not fact.

 

[Scriptor]

I don't think FerrisRox's position is inconsistent or disingenuous at all but I do agree that I don't understand being steadfast against paying something to get him early if you like the player.



According to Aaron Portzline, Dubois was expecting/going to sign a Montreal offersheet. Columbus knew and made a couple of moves to ensure they could match. This apparently completely soured the relationship between Dubois and Columbus as it pissed off Dubois and is what led him to completely check out from there.

Honestly, that sounds more like a convenient story for those who are looking at dort that would make Dubois less appealing.

That he wanted out of CLB because of where the team was heading is reason enough without this extrapolation.

Don't forget that CLB made a move to be competitive one season and that all the rats acquired left the ship at once, on top of other players. There might just be a reason for that, beyond Tortorella?

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Honestly, that sounds more like a convenient story for those who are looking at dort that would make Dubois less appealing.

That he wanted out of CLB because of where the team was heading is reason enough without this extrapolation.

Don't forget that CLB made a move to be competitive one season and that all the rats acquired left the ship at once, on top of other players. There might just be a reason for that, beyond Tortorella?

I don't think Columbus is a well-run club at all but I think that the idea that PLD wanting out of Columbus had nothing to do with Montreal to be crazy. It's pretty obvious every discussion around this guy and his teams is that the guy wants to force a move here.

»Dubois expected, in my opinion, an offer sheet from the Montreal Canadiens. (in 2020)

Dubois believed he was going to leave Columbus (to join Montreal) and that's where the relationship with the Jackets deteriorated." - Aaron Portzline

So yeah it's opinion/speculation on his part. Now he might have some inside info to support that opinion but he still made in clear that it's opinion not fact.

Fair enough.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Panarin refused to sign w Mtl from KHL wanting a large US metro center and wanted out of CBJ for only NYC does that lead to questions about his character? Sometimes players (especially this generation) is only interested in their specific locations…it’s their right

Imagine the character assassination Adam Fox wouldve received here if instead of forcing his way to New York (after refusing to sign with 2 teams who held his rights) he forced his way to Montreal.

"Want nothing to do with this entitled brat"
"Cancer"
"Character issue"

Also
"Why give up assets when you can wait a year and get him for free"

Certain people would have refused to aquire a future norris winner lol.

 

[salbutera]

I'm not giving shit for PLD. If he really wants to test the market and he is REALLY interested in coming in, not only we should be able to sign him....but he'd take less than he'd take elsewhere. That is...IF he is really interested and doesn't use us, like 2000 before him, as a bargaining chip.

But if somehow you do trade for him, there is no way I'm giving up top end prospects. You do not win by filling a spot while emptying another.

No player in this day and age will even take below market to sign unless it’s with a zero state tax locale even that is almost always “at market” - NHLPA will destroy them for lowering a pay scale.

Did Tavares sign for “less than elsewhere”? Besides, PLD like Huberdeau, Tavares etc qualifies for bonus structured low taxation contract due to his Us residency qualification.

 

[salbutera]

I've seen Dubois play live for Blainville. You look at this stats and you are impressed. But if you were there, he was insanely bored and was racking points on talent alone. Then the Columbus era....now the Jets....

Yeah, I do believe that sometimes you do evolve. That sometimes it takes the right environment. But how is Montreal the right environment if he goes back to his lazy and demanding attitude when things isn't working well? If somehow, St-Louis decides to move him to the wings? How will Montreal be kind to him?

I would be fine with him here. But it has to be under the right price. And MOST DEFINATELY not be at the expense of a Dach or other top end prospects.

Wasn’t PLD raving about MSLs influence on turning his game around - when he was brought on by Torts as PP coach in CBJ a few years back?

 

[The Great Weal]

I'm not gonna question a player for wanting out of Winnipeg and Columbus. He was playing with an injury which explains the drop in his performance (and his team sucks too). That being said, I can also see how people are skeptical about how many excuses he's been given. PLD expressing interest in being a UFA to me means that the FLA 1st is off the table and we won't really give up anything and will see what he does in FA. For me, the contract situation is what I'm most worried about. I'm pretty against giving him anything above 7 million and I definitely wouldn't take him for anything above 8, I hope if he wants to come here he will take that discount.

 

[ML16]

What's this offersheet story people keep mentioning?

Essentially, seems that Dubois was hoping/expecting an offer sheet from Bergevin in the summer of 2020 and that he resented Colombus for derailing that possibility by making two last minute trades before FA to make sure the Blue Jackets would have the cap flexibility to match said eventual offer sheet. A resentment which led to the Dubois/Laine+ swap a few months later. It’s a theory expressed by a guest on Marinano’s podcast.

 

[ML16]

Wasn’t PLD raving about MSLs influence on turning his game around - when he was brought on by Torts as PP coach in CBJ a few years back?

Indeed. Here’s a PLD quote pertaining to St-Louis when the latter was named Montréal’s interim coach in 2022:

« He gave me back the joy of playing. He's been super good to me. He wanted me not to put too much pressure and have fun. He often reminded me of that. It's hard not to listen to a guy like that, who's had an incredible career » – Pierre-Luc Dubois

 

[HABitual Fan]

No doupt the Habs need more 25+ goal scorers. I think we agree on most points for this segment, except the price to get PLD.

Still think Dach and Suzuki can become a 25-30 goal guys regularly. Add Caufield (40+) and then a guy like PLD (25-30), and there is an interesting base. Hopefully the guy they draft this year can add another 35+.

The concern is more about what it will cost to keep him. If he will sign around Tage Thompson money 7.2 per year then fine. More than that and the combo of assets and cap spac can land a better option in a trade in my opinion.

 

[sandviper]

I’m not going through the whole thread, but the last couple pages of the PLD thread over in the Jets boards have been pretty scathing. Maybe the sting of getting bounced is still too fresh, but it sounds like fans have soured on him.

 

[HabsMD97]

I’m not going through the whole thread, but the last couple pages of the PLD thread over in the Jets boards have been pretty scathing. Maybe the sting of getting bounced is still too fresh, but it sounds like fans have soured on him.

they've soured on literally everyone. half way through the season many on that board wanted to sign to 9M+ per year saying he's they're best player

 

[BaseballCoach]

I'm not giving shit for PLD. If he really wants to test the market and he is REALLY interested in coming in, not only we should be able to sign him....but he'd take less than he'd take elsewhere. That is...IF he is really interested and doesn't use us, like 2000 before him, as a bargaining chip.

But if somehow you do trade for him, there is no way I'm giving up top end prospects. You do not win by filling a spot while emptying another.

In principle I might agree. It may depend on who you consider a top end prospect. Is it sonmeone with less than 20% (in my opinion of course) chance of being as good as PLD, like Kidney?

To help get clarity, here is my personal list of prospects/ELC contracts I would not trade for Dubois except if they replace a first round pick in certain cases:

Not trading at all:

Slafkovsky​

Guhle​

Hutson​

Barron​

Mailloux​

​

Not trading unless replaces first rounder:

Heineman​

Mesar​

Farrell​

Roy​

Engstrom​

Dobes​

​

 

[BaseballCoach]

I'm not giving shit for PLD. If he really wants to test the market and he is REALLY interested in coming in, not only we should be able to sign him....but he'd take less than he'd take elsewhere. That is...IF he is really interested and doesn't use us, like 2000 before him, as a bargaining chip.

I was told by a good friend of his that this Polish guy Dublisky would be interested to play on my ball hockey team. We've been having trouble getting good players to come to us, and we ffinished last or near last the past few years, so my co-captain is interested.

But I'm wary because I have heard this before and when I would call the player, he would sound interested but end up going elsewhere. My rather opinionated son says it happened 2000 times but I think it was really more like five.

Importantly, we once took in a different Polish player and he did not work out.

The nerve of Dublisky saying he wants to play here and not stay loyal to the team in the city his parents sent him to before he had more say over where he could live. I think I'm going to teach this entitled brat a lesson: I'm not calling him, he needs to call me, and he needs to beg for his spot and accept less beer and other benefits than I give the other guys on the team of equivalent value.

 

[HuGo Sham]

would love dubois here, especially if the rumours are true but I remain sceptical because of past experiences with players like lecavalier, briere, etc. Could this be different? Sure.
I have to believe Hughes thinks marty will work wonders with him - especially if the kid's dream really is to play for the habs.
Now the cost and contract? that could be another issue lol

 

[MarkovsKnee]

I'm not giving shit for PLD. If he really wants to test the market and he is REALLY interested in coming in, not only we should be able to sign him....but he'd take less than he'd take elsewhere. That is...IF he is really interested and doesn't use us, like 2000 before him, as a bargaining chip.

But if somehow you do trade for him, there is no way I'm giving up top end prospects. You do not win by filling a spot while emptying another.

Yeah, the man sounds like he really, really wants to go to free agency. We're not in a position to trade for a one year rental. I think Hughes is aware of that too.

I've already given up on it.

It doesn't sound at all like Montreal is his only destination. I expect him to get traded to a playoff team at draft.

We'll see what happens July 1, 2024.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

I just feel this guy doesnt care about where
Using habs a scale for $$$ as many others

Dude just want to cash in for what he'S not worth

The more this thread is going on , the less I want him.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Yeah, the man sounds like he really, really wants to go to free agency. We're not in a position to trade for a one year rental. I think Hughes is aware of that too.

I've already given up on it.

It doesn't sound at all like Montreal is his only destination. I expect him to get traded to a playoff team at draft.

We'll see what happens July 1, 2024.

We aren’t his only potential destination and I’m hoping we get a couple of good prospects out of the first round of this draft. Dubois has done everything under the sun to try and hit UFA status as quickly as he can. He’s very likely not going to settle for an extension without testing the market to see what he’s worth money wise. If anything after his recent comments, we’ll be used as a pawn in negotiations which means we can just wait to see if it makes sense.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Yeah, the man sounds like he really, really wants to go to free agency. We're not in a position to trade for a one year rental. I think Hughes is aware of that too.

I've already given up on it.

It doesn't sound at all like Montreal is his only destination. I expect him to get traded to a playoff team at draft.

We'll see what happens July 1, 2024.

He wants to test free agency because he wants to choose his destination. If the team that trades for him is among the list of teams he wants to play for, then that won't be necessary anymore.

 

[nhlfan9191]

He wants to test free agency because he wants to choose his destination. If the team that trades for him is among the list of teams he wants to play for, then that won't be necessary anymore.

Are you his spokesman? How could you possibly know what you just posted?