Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[avtarb]

Some outsider, calling posters kids, that starts sentences with u. That's funny. What do you think you know about the Jets? Can't even spell the players names...this is like avgard on crack.

I think the question Jets fans should be asking is where does the payroll sit next year? Jets started the year about $4 million off the Cap ceiling, which allowed them to mitigate injuries without ever dipping into LTIR, and accrue deadline Cap space.

With the Canadian dollar falling, how much are revenues affected? Playoffs are great for revenue but the revenues aren't exclusively earned by the team. The Whiteout Parties I imagine go straight into True North's pockets.

Loll thier minority owner is the richest man in canada and 4th richest owner of any sports team. Mark chipman is pretty well off himself... doubt they to worried about revenue... jets got decent deal with tv networks and chipman generates enough wealth from other ventures.. doubt they to worried about being at the cap ceiling lol . Propaganda will tell u jets are Cap floor team or that they might leave..

They in the hands of two very wealthy owners... Thompson might own a smaller stake in the jets but he one of the richest men in the world... he ain't worried about the Jets being profitable this a hobby for him

I might not care for or be aware of all the bs hockey analytics.. but sometimes I just need to swing by here and give u guys lil reality check.. the media and seed oils got ppl going lil haywire.. jets need to worry about being at the cap ceiling ha ignorant Canadians they in wealthy hands they not even sweating this... jets will be around forever.. I think they will expand or tear down that arena soon and rebuild one that can accommodate more seats so can have cheaper options in the rafters for the brokeys.... u think chipman investing billions into the dt to sell the team ha

And if worst case canada economy completely collapses and country succeeds to states..(not out of the realms of possibility) atleast u won't have to worry about exchange rates anymore

 

[avtarb]

You have to remember your jets owner... owns the arena he makes money off everything that goes on there.. and from what i know it's one of the busiest venues in north America... jets worried about revenue hahaha haha yall to funny... this team will be at the cap ceiling every year they competitive..

That place sells out almost every concert and moose make him some easy money to.. they laughing at yall

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

Loll thier minority owner is the richest man in canada and 4th richest owner of any sports team. Mark chipman is pretty well off himself... doubt they to worried about revenue... jets got decent deal with tv networks and chipman generates enough wealth from other ventures.. doubt they to worried about being at the cap ceiling lol . Propaganda will tell u jets are Cap floor team or that they might leave..

They in the hands of two very wealthy owners... Thompson might own a smaller stake in the jets but he one of the richest men in the world... he ain't worried about the Jets being profitable this a hobby for him

I might not care for or be aware of all the bs hockey analytics.. but sometimes I just need to swing by here and give u guys lil reality check.. the media and seed oils got ppl going lil haywire.. jets need to worry about being at the cap ceiling ha ignorant Canadians they in wealthy hands they not even sweating this... jets will be around forever.. I think they will expand or tear down that arena soon and rebuild one that can accommodate more seats so can have cheaper options in the rafters for the brokeys.... u think chipman investing billions into the dt to sell the team ha

And if worst case canada economy completely collapses and country succeeds to states..(not out of the realms of possibility) atleast u won't have to worry about exchange rates anymore

Thanks for the reality check, I have indeed been guzzling down the seed oils and was going a bit haywire before I was enlightened by your post.

Speculation around the smallest market & arena in the league not blindly adding an extra 25mil USD a season to their payroll (in the face of a declining exchange rate) is silly.

 

[Xavier Laflamme]

But the flip side too is that a RD acquisition not only guarantees big Stan a starting job for playoffs, but also means that if there was an injury to a top 4 LD, Stan moves up into that role, or Fleury, and the next guy down the depth chart is Isaak Phillips, assuming Heinola gets moved at the deadline, which seems probable.

Yeah I really don't like the move for Risto for all the reasons you mentioned, though of course any LD we acquire and Arnie may just run Stan as RD, he has done it multiple times already, but still a LD upgrade makes far more sense like Ferraro etc.

I know Stan has been playing ok but I will never be ok with him starting in playoff hockey, we have already seen how that works out.

 

[Whileee]

Right now, I'm more interested in any progress the Jets are having in signing their UFAs and RFAs, to be honest.

I'm not expecting a big trade, but maybe Chevy will acquire another gem or two in the underrated aisle.

 

[avtarb]

My inside prediction is

Jets build a new arena dt

Thanks for the reality check, I have indeed been guzzling down the seed oils and was going a bit haywire before I was enlightened by your post.

Speculation around the smallest market & arena in the league not blindly adding an extra 25mil USD a season to their payroll (in the face of a declining exchange rate) is silly.

Eh Edmonton Toronto 2 of the top teams in terms of revenue.. and if the cap don't go up as anticipated.. u guys still in way better shape than any other team.. who already committed to massive contracts to some of thier guys... I'm sure Chevy and other gms ain't blind to this either.. he's pretty savvy when negotiating his contracts... a modest increase still puts jets in good position

Both thier tv contracts expire in cpl years.. I'm sure bettman expecting new contracts are going to be much more lucrative than the previous ones... but at the same time his projections seem to be bit overly optimistic.. I say 4 milli cap increase a year may be more realistic..

I think the jets philosophy is always to draft develop most thier talent.. but at the same they'll empty thier pockets to retain players if need be... especially if they want to be competitive and not alienate thier fan base

And like I said neither of the jets owners are worried about losing a little money.. jets been profitable since in league outside of covid year... betman obviously expecting the game to grow and revenues to match... 25 million to thompson and chipman is pocket change. The guy owns massive real estate.. the busiest arena in the nhl.. a car dealership wtc like just look at the mlb those owners lose money and still spend cuz they can.. and like I said thompson is multi multi billionaire.. these guys ain't worried about money.. if Canadians can't afford to go to games in the future do to inflation and a cheap dollar.. than u have way bigger concerns than a nhl team.. u looking at your economy going under aswell as the country

 

[Jets 31]

You have to remember your jets owner... owns the arena he makes money off everything that goes on there.. and from what i know it's one of the busiest venues in north America... jets worried about revenue hahaha haha yall to funny... this team will be at the cap ceiling every year they competitive..

That place sells out almost every concert and moose make him some easy money to.. they laughing at yall

Don't understand why someone that barely ever posts decides to start posting but in a very arrogant way. Life is too short dude, you need to enjoy it more. I agree True North is set up very well financially but they also won't go a bunch of years in the red and not eventually cash in on selling the team for a billion dollars US . If you were around for Jets 1.0 you wouldn't be taking the team for granted like i think you are.

 

[avtarb]

Also Yes, the NHL has a revenue sharing program to help struggling teams. The program is designed to ensure that all teams can compete, regardless of market size.

 

[Jet]

My opinion is there’s zero chance Rantanen chooses to stay in WPG

Is there any reason for this opinion?

If I was him I'd salivate at the chance to stick it to the Avs every chance possible.

 

[ps241]

I don't want to get into knocking Lambert as a prospect too much. He still has potential. But I don't think he has shown enough to be getting penciled in as an Ehlers replacement, or strong 2C candidate. This year's edition of the Moose cloud the picture a bit but the bottom line is that he hasn't achieved at a very high level yet. If he had taken a step forward from last year the Moose might not have been so bad.

The jury is still out on Brad. I thought he had respectable D+1 and D+2 seasons. This year has been a step backwards. Yes the Moose have been a mess and I am not sure what to make of that but he needed to be a bit better.

He needs to take a big step in his D+4 season. He turns 22 in December and he needs to dominate the AHL and/or look good on his Jets call ups.

I don’t project him to be a #2 centre at this point but who knows. If he has a huge year next year that might happen but it’s looking less likely.

In his draft +3 season Ehlers had 64 points on the Jets already. Nik has always had ALLOT more skill than Brad and Brad won’t be replacing him.

I think Brad was a really smart risk/reward pick at #30 but he fell for a reason and at this point it’s critical his Draft +4 season is his coming out party.

 

[Jet]

Don't understand why someone that barely ever posts decides to start posting but in a very arrogant way. Life is too short dude, you need to enjoy it more. I agree True North is set up very well financially but they also won't go a bunch of years in the red and not eventually cash in on selling the team for a billion dollars US . If you were around for Jets 1.0 you wouldn't be taking the team for granted like i think you are.

I really don't think this is the case.

The only way i see this ever being a conversation is if Thompson wants to divest himself, and in that case I see it far more likely that Chipman will solicit local investors and buy him out.

For Mark, this is more than about money, always has been.

Also, the Jets are the foundational engine for their entire SHED project. There's more to come there and the diversification of revenue streams continues to grow.

They're putting themselves in a position to operate the hockey club at a loss for many years with subsidization coming from the other revenue generators in the project.

Plus, having a massive asset like the hockey club opens up leverage opportunities - using the club as collateral for borrowing which is how companies and rich people grow their wealth while providing a tax shelter.

Finally, having an NHL team is one of the best ROI assets you can possibly have. They make money simply by holding it.

So, even if Chipman put business before his passion for NHL hockey in Winnipeg, it wouldn't be a sound business decision to sell the team.

 

[Jets 31]

I really don't think this is the case.

The only way i see this ever being a conversation is if Thompson wants to divest himself, and in that case I see it far more likely that Chipman will solicit local investors and buy him out.

For Mark, this is more than about money, always has been.

Also, the Jets are the foundational engine for their entire SHED project. There's more to come there and the diversification of revenue streams continues to grow.

They're putting themselves in a position to operate the hockey club at a loss for many years with subsidization coming from the other revenue generators in the project.

Plus, having a massive asset like the hockey club opens up leverage opportunities - using the club as collateral for borrowing which is how companies and rich people grow their wealth while providing a tax shelter.

Finally, having an NHL team is one of the best ROI assets you can possibly have. They make money simply by holding it.

So, even if Chipman put business before his passion for NHL hockey in Winnipeg, it wouldn't be a sound business decision to sell the team.

I do agree with you but i was just saying several straight years of being in the red, i don't think it will happen but i won't take the Jets for granted either.

 

[Jet]

I do agree with you but i was just saying several straight years of being in the red, i don't think it will happen but i won't take the Jets for granted either.

Just remember that the first time we lost the team things were very very different. It's not comparing apples to apples.

 

[Jets 31]

Is there any reason for this opinion?

If I was him I'd salivate at the chance to stick it to the Avs every chance possible.

Rantanen goes on the 1st line with Scheifele and Connor and then Vilardi centers the 2nd line with Perfetti and Ehlers. Now we are cooking with Jet fuel.

 

[bustamente]

Just remember that the first time we lost the team things were very very different. It's not comparing apples to apples.

Yup 2.0 has revenue streams that 1.0 could of only dreamed of, Chipman has carved up a nice portion around the arena and soon will tackle Portage Place. His investment downtown wasn't done for shits and giggles. The only thing he can't control is how the downtown is perceived.

 

[Jet]

Rantanen goes on the 1st line with Scheifele and Connor and then Vilardi centers the 2nd line with Perfetti and Ehlers. Now we are cooking with Jet fuel.

I really wish they actually gave Gabe a shot at centre for a while. I think the problem is he's not particularly fast and he really doesn't carry the mail through the neutral zone.

I think him being on the wing with 55 and 81 allows him to play to his strengths, which is grinding along the wall and using his hands in tight.

As much as i like Rantanen and would love to have him he does provide a bit of a conundrum for the Jets.

I suppose you could kick Nik to the Lowry line, giving them some offensive punch.

 

[Jets 31]

Yup 2.0 has revenue streams that 1.0 could of only dreamed of, Chipman has carved up a nice portion around the arena and soon will tackle Portage Place. His investment downtown wasn't done for shits and giggles. The only thing he can't control is how the downtown is perceived.

Totally agree, like i have said before i got to talk to Mark when he owned the Moose and just the way he talked about Winnipeg and hoping one day we got the NHL back i had a great feeling he was going to pull it off.

 

[Jet]

Yup 2.0 has revenue streams that 1.0 could of only dreamed of, Chipman has carved up a nice portion around the arena and soon will tackle Portage Place. His investment downtown wasn't done for shits and giggles. The only thing he can't control is how the downtown is perceived.

Yeah that perception was rightfully built over 30 years of blight and decay.

Its fixable, but there will need to be significant investment.

2 light rail lines, one from st James to transcona and the other from lag to chief peguis would be a massive win. It would fix so many traffic problems and encourage people to visit Downtown.

Better police presence (especially foot) and a comprehensive social housing initiative are another big component.

Finally continued beautification and improving walkability would be the cherry on top. I'd close a bunch of streets and make them walkways to host festivals and farmers markets

I was really surprised when I went to Downtown Indianapolis. Similar city to Winnipeg but their downtown is gorgeous, vibrant and busy.

 

[roccerfeller]

wonder if he's just trolling or something about to happen

Aren’t flyers in winnipeg? Could just be he thought the spot looked good for such a pic

 

[CanMerc]

Is there any reason for this opinion?

If I was him I'd salivate at the chance to stick it to the Avs every chance possible.

I just see him going to one of those low tax American markets.
It seems he have wanted to stay in Colorado, and didn’t want to be traded to CAR, but he was and I think it’s in his head a bit. I get the feeling he wants to go to the FA and pick his new team.

 

[CanMerc]

Per TSN…

Countdown to TradeCentre: Nashville Predators listening on O'Reilly? | TSN

The NHL's March 7 Trade Deadline is approaching, and teams are making decisions on whether to buy or sell, and on which players can make the biggest difference and hold the greatest value. Check out today's trade rumours and speculation from around the NHL beat.

www.tsn.ca

“The Nashville Predators continue to get calls on veteran centre Ryan O'Reilly and are willing to listen to offers on him, TSN Hockey Insider Pierre LeBrun reports in The Athletic.

LeBrun clarifies that the Predators are not shopping O'Reilly ahead of next Friday's deadline and would be happy to keep him if their asking price isn't met. Nashville is seeking a young NHLer who can enter their lineup immediately as a the key piece in a return for O'Reilly.”

Go get him Chevy

 

[avtarb]

Don't understand why someone that barely ever posts decides to start posting but in a very arrogant way. Life is too short dude, you need to enjoy it more. I agree True North is set up very well financially but they also won't go a bunch of years in the red and not eventually cash in on selling the team for a billion dollars US . If you were around for Jets 1.0 you wouldn't be taking the team for granted like i think you are.

My bad my bad i just want yall to stop worrying is all.. jets in good shape.. they in good shape.. let's hope nhl gets huge

I just see him going to one of those low tax American markets.
It seems he have wanted to stay in Colorado, and didn’t want to be traded to CAR, but he was and I think it’s in his head a bit. I get the feeling he wants to go to the FA and pick his new team.

Raatanan ain't going to resign in peg unless they offer him a massive deal.. Chevy needs to stick to his hard nosed negotiation tactics don't bite and cave into ridiculous inflated contracts that hamstring the team long term.. nhl players are generally pretty inconsistent.. much of their offensive output is contingent on so many other factors... ie ice time... pp minutes/efficiency.. line mates and just pain luck and poor goalie play.. jets should look at what attributes the player brings such as speed skill and size and how they fit within the lineup.. not the numbers... i can name u 100 players who had the odd 40 plus goal season but were never able to achieve it again.. I think Elias Patterson.. lindholm.. Jeff skinner.. luc debust.. Laine etc I bet if u give Appleton first line minutes and 1st unit pp time and he putting up 60 plus points.... this team just needs a Lil Size grit and speed in top 6 and bottom 4 defense and they golden.. they already very skilled top to bottom

 

[10Ducky10]

Apples with a 60 point season?
lol ok

 

[avtarb]

Put him on the first line with connor and shieffle and give him power play on the first unit.. I guarantee u 60.pts.. anyways point is nhl players outside of the elite.. are the product of the situation they in and thier role in the lineup... timo maier was supposed to be the guy eh haha look at him now... lindholm.. Hayes omg they had such good numbers a cpl seasons.. stats mean nothing when it comes to most nhl players.... the jets have the perfect balance jus need to add lil size gritand speed

 

[Jets 31]

Apples with a 60 point season?
lol ok

Lets ask @sipowicz what he thinks about that.