Mcdavid is 17 playing against the best 19 year olds. He is 2 years younger then most of his team.
What undrafted players have looked better then mcdavid or eichel.
It's all over for Jack Eichel
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Mcdavid is 17 playing against the best 19 year olds. He is 2 years younger then most of his team.
What undrafted players have looked better then mcdavid or eichel.
The problem I have is how much these two guys McDavid and Eichel get hyped.
This tournament is proof that other highly rated prospects should and deserve the attention as well.
Even those outside the tournament should be mentioned in similar light whether they are draft eligible or not.
Whos to say Hanifin, Marner, Strome, MDC, NYlander, Ehlers, Larkin, Milano, Kylington, and quite a few others etc. won't turn out to be better pros.
This draft is pretty well spread out.
All you keep hearing and it becomes nauseating is these two players.
IMO this isn't Seguin/ Hall because that year the draft wasn't as talent rich.
This tournament is proof that other highly rated prospects should and deserve the attention as well.
Even those outside the tournament should be mentioned in similar light whether they are draft eligible or not.
Whos to say Hanifin, Marner, Strome, MDC, NYlander, Ehlers, Larkin, Milano, Kylington, and quite a few others etc. won't turn out to be better pros.
This draft is pretty well spread out.
All you keep hearing and it becomes nauseating is these two players.
IMO this isn't Seguin/ Hall because that year the draft wasn't as talent rich.
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Okay?
Eichel is going to go back to college and likely dominate. Your point? McDavid has always had the edge on Eichel going into this year, but this tournament did nothing to seperate McDavid from Eichel nor did it
bring Eichel any closer to McDavid.
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With the lottery odds being what they are, #1 is more likely than not to go to a team that isn't even bottom-3 in the league. #2, however, is guaranteed to go to one of the two worst teams. I'm sure that's on their minds as much as the prestige of going #1 is (which shouldn't be a lot). #1 could easily land somewhere cushy like Colorado or Philly with a nice core of established forwards.
Point being, the second overall pick is far more likely to go to a worse situation.
Point being, the second overall pick is far more likely to go to a worse situation.
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I think that unless Eichel really goes into a ridiculous mode (like Paul Kariya numbers when with Maine) McDavid goes #1 hands down.
This board cracks me up and anyone who thinks Eichel may go before McDavid in the draft should have their head examined. McDavid was the third player to be granted Exceptional Status by the OHL and then was selected first overall by the Erie Otters. As a 15 year old he was rookie of the year and since then has posted insane numbers, before his injury this year he had 51 points in 18 games as a 17 year old. Despite the setback with his wrist, he has been getting better each game for Team Canada and has been POTG twice so far with two games to play if Canada makes the final.
All that remains is to see if he can add strength and more size which will eventually happen to his 6 foot frame. Once this occurs he will be the generational player all scouts are raving about. No NHL team will pass on the chance to draft him first overall despite what TSN's Craig Button says on his blogs. He thinks the game analytically and recognizes scoring chances before they even happened, blazing speed and deft stick handling skills add up to a dominant center with all the intangibles which every NHL team looks for and wants.
Jack Eichel is an elite prospect and will be the next big thing in American hockey but will not be a generational superstar despite putting up big numbers at Boston University. That being said, any NHL team that winds up getting him in the draft will be extremely happy. This is not about Canada or the USA, its about who is the better hockey player and that is McDavid in my humble opinion.
All that remains is to see if he can add strength and more size which will eventually happen to his 6 foot frame. Once this occurs he will be the generational player all scouts are raving about. No NHL team will pass on the chance to draft him first overall despite what TSN's Craig Button says on his blogs. He thinks the game analytically and recognizes scoring chances before they even happened, blazing speed and deft stick handling skills add up to a dominant center with all the intangibles which every NHL team looks for and wants.
Jack Eichel is an elite prospect and will be the next big thing in American hockey but will not be a generational superstar despite putting up big numbers at Boston University. That being said, any NHL team that winds up getting him in the draft will be extremely happy. This is not about Canada or the USA, its about who is the better hockey player and that is McDavid in my humble opinion.
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Its very evident to me people in this thread care more about numbers then how the player plays and projects at the NHL level.
Mitch Marner is not even in the conversation with Eichel.
Its the same people that were ripping on Crouse for being on Canada. Watch the player its not about the stats and the points. Some players skill sets or situations can lead to great Jr. numbers that doesn't mean its gonna translate.
The Virtanen Nylander Ehlers thread is another good example of this. If everyone just looked at jr stats no one would have to go to the games.
How many times have you watched Eichel? Seriously? I have watched a player that was capable of some pretty incredible things out there. Getzlaf like ability to dominate and slow the play down with great vision and Carters skating and shot. If that's not a generational talent then what is?
The point is no one actually knows who will be better Eichel or Mcdavid flip a coin, to suggest they aren't close when every scout out there thinks they are that actually watches the players consistently and does this as a profession should be more than enough for anyone to say things like. AINEC and 'get your head checked'.
I personally think that the year of hockey Eichel has is a big advantage over McDavid and should be taken into consideration. I also think that Eichel looks more dynamic in the different ways he can beat you. McDavid off the rush is incredible second to none but I only see him create off explosiveness and speed. While Eichel seems to be able to change it up based on the situation. He has one more year of developing a patience to his game that McDavid hasn't had so maybe he does develop that? I love McDavids ability to pick the pocket and create turnovers. All I do know is certain situations will affect each players development and career like injuries and or the organization they go to. Either way as a sens fan I would kill to get either one of these players.
Mitch Marner is not even in the conversation with Eichel.
Its the same people that were ripping on Crouse for being on Canada. Watch the player its not about the stats and the points. Some players skill sets or situations can lead to great Jr. numbers that doesn't mean its gonna translate.
The Virtanen Nylander Ehlers thread is another good example of this. If everyone just looked at jr stats no one would have to go to the games.
How many times have you watched Eichel? Seriously? I have watched a player that was capable of some pretty incredible things out there. Getzlaf like ability to dominate and slow the play down with great vision and Carters skating and shot. If that's not a generational talent then what is?
The point is no one actually knows who will be better Eichel or Mcdavid flip a coin, to suggest they aren't close when every scout out there thinks they are that actually watches the players consistently and does this as a profession should be more than enough for anyone to say things like. AINEC and 'get your head checked'.
I personally think that the year of hockey Eichel has is a big advantage over McDavid and should be taken into consideration. I also think that Eichel looks more dynamic in the different ways he can beat you. McDavid off the rush is incredible second to none but I only see him create off explosiveness and speed. While Eichel seems to be able to change it up based on the situation. He has one more year of developing a patience to his game that McDavid hasn't had so maybe he does develop that? I love McDavids ability to pick the pocket and create turnovers. All I do know is certain situations will affect each players development and career like injuries and or the organization they go to. Either way as a sens fan I would kill to get either one of these players.
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Tripod
I hate this team
As someone who is non-biased and hasn't followed either Eichel or Mcdavid much prior to this tournament, I think its very difficult to judge which one is better based on what we saw in this tournament:
- McDavid is coming of an injury, for that I think he has steadily improved each game - Eichel looked better the first 1 or 2 games, but I think after that they've been fairly even or a slight edge to McDavid IMO
- McDavid has been put in a position to succeed better then Eichel. He was not being relied upon the same way as Eichel who was given the C and was playing on USA's number one line
- Unless either one is utterly dominant (McDavid was pretty solid vs Denmark but its not a fair comparison considering their a weak team), I think its very difficult to tell either one apart that much in a tournament that is typically dominated by 19 year olds
So based on that I'm not sure how one can decide based on this tournament who's better. Also, considering the apparent battle of who's going to be drafted 1st between these 2 has been going on for sometime now, I really don't think this tournament really caused either of these guys to be further separated from each other.
Again this is coming from someone who has not really followed or watched either of these guys much prior to this tournament.
- McDavid is coming of an injury, for that I think he has steadily improved each game - Eichel looked better the first 1 or 2 games, but I think after that they've been fairly even or a slight edge to McDavid IMO
- McDavid has been put in a position to succeed better then Eichel. He was not being relied upon the same way as Eichel who was given the C and was playing on USA's number one line
- Unless either one is utterly dominant (McDavid was pretty solid vs Denmark but its not a fair comparison considering their a weak team), I think its very difficult to tell either one apart that much in a tournament that is typically dominated by 19 year olds
So based on that I'm not sure how one can decide based on this tournament who's better. Also, considering the apparent battle of who's going to be drafted 1st between these 2 has been going on for sometime now, I really don't think this tournament really caused either of these guys to be further separated from each other.
Again this is coming from someone who has not really followed or watched either of these guys much prior to this tournament.
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The fact of the matter is, he is dominating the NCAA in his draft year, which is rare for his age
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Tripod
I hate this team
Honest question though.
If you were GM, and had the 1st overall pick, would you take the chance on Eichel and pass on someone who has been called a generational talent for years?
If a GM takes McDavid #1 and Eichel ends up better, no one would blame that GM for that choice.
But if a GM takes Eichel #1 and McDavid ended up better, he would be ripped for not taking the obvious choice at #1.
It's easy to say...I went with the one who has been touted as generational for years.
Not so easy to say....I disagreed with everyone who said McDavid was generational....and was wrong.
If you were GM, and had the 1st overall pick, would you take the chance on Eichel and pass on someone who has been called a generational talent for years?
If a GM takes McDavid #1 and Eichel ends up better, no one would blame that GM for that choice.
But if a GM takes Eichel #1 and McDavid ended up better, he would be ripped for not taking the obvious choice at #1.
It's easy to say...I went with the one who has been touted as generational for years.
Not so easy to say....I disagreed with everyone who said McDavid was generational....and was wrong.
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If Eichel turned out to be Brian Lawton and a GM takes him on a hunch over McDavid, that guy will be selling hotdogs outside the stadium in the future.
If the reverse happens and McDavid ends up being Daigle, it would be bad, but you are right, no one would likely fault the GM as much as McDavid himself.
There's an 80 percent chance that the team finishing last gets the 2nd overall pick.
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the title of this thread is a little over the top.
but as for OP, the wjc was his only real chance of leapfrogging over mcdavid in terms of draft position. career ending injuries aside, their draft positions are basically set now (unless hanifin somehow manages to over take eichel and come in second).
but as for OP, the wjc was his only real chance of leapfrogging over mcdavid in terms of draft position. career ending injuries aside, their draft positions are basically set now (unless hanifin somehow manages to over take eichel and come in second).
Tripod
I hate this team
Im not saying "ANIEC" but... there still has yet to be one report putting Eichal ahead of mcdavid.
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Agreed. This tournament has done nothing to distinguish one from the other.
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mcdavid's vision is generational.
i want to say he'll be joe thornton good, but will see at the nhl level when he gets there.
mcdavid does some things better than thornton, at that level, but like thornton, they see the game in slow motion.
i have a hard time labeling mcdavid, his skill set and tools, are going to make him his own player. doesn't really play like anybody.
i want to say he'll be joe thornton good, but will see at the nhl level when he gets there.
mcdavid does some things better than thornton, at that level, but like thornton, they see the game in slow motion.
i have a hard time labeling mcdavid, his skill set and tools, are going to make him his own player. doesn't really play like anybody.
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