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It's all over for Jack Eichel

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tallying points against slovakia, germany and denmark is not impressive
reality will set in quick in the nhl
 
It honestly never began for Eichel. He was never going to be the #1 pick in the draft...even if McDavid missed this tournament and Eichel had 10 points.

No GM in this league wants to be the one that had the opportunity to draft McDavid and passed on him, especially with the way he was ripping the OHL.

It doesn't really matter where you get drafted. Eichel will be a good player too. Where you are drafted doesn't limit how good you can be.
 
Thebesthockey said:
eichel plays against 21 yr old Men
mcD plays against for the most part 18 yr old plugs
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So one plays against men who aren't good enough for the NHL and the other is playing against teenagers in a league that produces the most NHL players.

Whats your point, the one who plays against men didn't stand out against teenagers, he looked very much like a teenager who thought he was playing against plugs and could do it all himself.
 
watch the next draft and drafts after that and tell me how well cdns will be doing

in the new NHL both eichel and McD will never see the time and space on the ice
be happy if they reach 65 points
 
ronnyweed said:
So one plays against men who aren't good enough for the NHL and the other is playing against teenagers in a league that produces the most NHL players.

Whats your point, the one who plays against men didn't stand out against teenagers, he looked very much like a teenager who thought he was playing against plugs and could do it all himself.
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Here's some interesting numbers:

A study from College Hockey Inc. illustrates the following points:


NCAA players made up 31 per cent of the NHL last season
NCAA players drafted in the 1st round from 2000 to 2006 (i.e. those having completed a career or still active today) produced a greater likelihood of a 300+ NHL-game career (70 per cent) than CHL players (64 per cent) or Europe (49 per cent)
In the 2013-14 season, of all the NHLers drafted in the 5th round or later (or undrafted), 48 per cent played NCAA hockey
NHL teams averaged 16.1 NCAA players selected in the drafts from 2000 to 2006. Of the six teams with at least 22 NCAA players selected in that time, five finished in the top-10 in the NHL standings last season
In several ‘redrafts’ (re-evaluated NHL drafts from previous years), more NCAA players were 1st rounders than the actual draft: 2003 Draft, 2008 Draft, 2009 Draft
 
Old Navy Goat said:
Here's some interesting numbers:

A study from College Hockey Inc. illustrates the following points:


NCAA players made up 31 per cent of the NHL last season
NCAA players drafted in the 1st round from 2000 to 2006 (i.e. those having completed a career or still active today) produced a greater likelihood of a 300+ NHL-game career (70 per cent) than CHL players (64 per cent) or Europe (49 per cent)
In the 2013-14 season, of all the NHLers drafted in the 5th round or later (or undrafted), 48 per cent played NCAA hockey
NHL teams averaged 16.1 NCAA players selected in the drafts from 2000 to 2006. Of the six teams with at least 22 NCAA players selected in that time, five finished in the top-10 in the NHL standings last season
In several ‘redrafts’ (re-evaluated NHL drafts from previous years), more NCAA players were 1st rounders than the actual draft: 2003 Draft, 2008 Draft, 2009 Draft
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Those are cherry picked stats. I can easily go get some CHL stats they say more. Why bother though both leagues produce great talent and just leave it at that
 
It's not over for Eichel because it's pretty clear he will go second and McDavid will go first to the Oilers

so who's life is over now?
 
I see eichel more on the jagr ( puck protection/reach/ playmaking) characteristics.... He is just not intense or physical to be compared to getzlaf imo
 
Old Navy Goat said:
Here's some interesting numbers:

A study from College Hockey Inc. illustrates the following points:


NCAA players made up 31 per cent of the NHL last season
NCAA players drafted in the 1st round from 2000 to 2006 (i.e. those having completed a career or still active today) produced a greater likelihood of a 300+ NHL-game career (70 per cent) than CHL players (64 per cent) or Europe (49 per cent)
In the 2013-14 season, of all the NHLers drafted in the 5th round or later (or undrafted), 48 per cent played NCAA hockey
NHL teams averaged 16.1 NCAA players selected in the drafts from 2000 to 2006. Of the six teams with at least 22 NCAA players selected in that time, five finished in the top-10 in the NHL standings last season
In several ‘redrafts’ (re-evaluated NHL drafts from previous years), more NCAA players were 1st rounders than the actual draft: 2003 Draft, 2008 Draft, 2009 Draft
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There are 60 CHL teams that feed about 50% of the NHL.

There are how many NCAA D1 teams? What percentage of the NHL do they make up? (I would guess some of the 31% is not D1 but most of it is)
 
Thebesthockey said:
watch the next draft and drafts after that and tell me how well cdns will be doing

in the new NHL both eichel and McD will never see the time and space on the ice
be happy if they reach 65 points
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How do you figure? The 'new NHL' is all about speed and reaction time. Anyone that watched team Canada knows McDavid was by far the quickest guy in the tournament and had vision that is out of this world. His hockey IQ was insane.

So umm, how does this not make him good for the 'new NHL'.

I didn't watch much of Eichel so I'm not gonna make an ignorant comment.
 
Koonta said:
It's not over for Eichel because it's pretty clear he will go second and McDavid will go first to the Oilers

so who's life is over now?
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Whoever goes 2nd is 80% certain to go to the last place team...
 
Thebesthockey said:
tallying points against slovakia, germany and denmark is not impressive
reality will set in quick in the nhl
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You'll do anything to protect Eichel, correct? I'm not sure but this Slovaki team he racked up three points against in the semis, Eichel couldn't even get a point in the round robin. What shows you that the NHL won't be great for McDavid.
 
Old Navy Goat said:
Here's some interesting numbers:

A study from College Hockey Inc. illustrates the following points:


NCAA players made up 31 per cent of the NHL last season
NCAA players drafted in the 1st round from 2000 to 2006 (i.e. those having completed a career or still active today) produced a greater likelihood of a 300+ NHL-game career (70 per cent) than CHL players (64 per cent) or Europe (49 per cent)
In the 2013-14 season, of all the NHLers drafted in the 5th round or later (or undrafted), 48 per cent played NCAA hockey
NHL teams averaged 16.1 NCAA players selected in the drafts from 2000 to 2006. Of the six teams with at least 22 NCAA players selected in that time, five finished in the top-10 in the NHL standings last season
In several ‘redrafts’ (re-evaluated NHL drafts from previous years), more NCAA players were 1st rounders than the actual draft: 2003 Draft, 2008 Draft, 2009 Draft
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None of those point have anything to do with Eichel or McDavid. They aren't average NCAA/CHL players.
 
Semantics said:
None of those point have anything to do with Eichel or McDavid. They aren't average NCAA/CHL players.
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There are players that play both. Statistics can be twisted to say whatever you want them to say.
 
Giuseppe Sallo said:
Eichel = Getzlaf. I'm sticking to it. He's gonna be a stud. But CMD is 'out of this world' in terms of skill & vision in so many ways.
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Tell me how's Eichel's defense comparable to what Getzlaf's was at this age? His defense isn't even better than McDavid's.
 
Old Navy Goat said:
In several ‘redrafts’ (re-evaluated NHL drafts from previous years), more NCAA players were 1st rounders than the actual draft: 2003 Draft, 2008 Draft, 2009 Draft
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What a silly point. Now we are ranking leagues on imaginary drafts. You are really stretching it.
 
WarriorofTime said:
Would you not want Eichel on your nhl squad? Be honest.
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Of course but my point is not Eichel. I am just tired of all the grand proclamations about Eichel AND McDavid. So many people make predictions that fail to come true and never learn from it. They just make more proclamations. Everyone is an expert.

I guess that is what the internet is for. It is just getting too much for me.
 
Old Navy Goat said:
Here's some interesting numbers:

A study from College Hockey Inc. illustrates the following points:


NCAA players made up 31 per cent of the NHL last season
NCAA players drafted in the 1st round from 2000 to 2006 (i.e. those having completed a career or still active today) produced a greater likelihood of a 300+ NHL-game career (70 per cent) than CHL players (64 per cent) or Europe (49 per cent)
In the 2013-14 season, of all the NHLers drafted in the 5th round or later (or undrafted), 48 per cent played NCAA hockey
NHL teams averaged 16.1 NCAA players selected in the drafts from 2000 to 2006. Of the six teams with at least 22 NCAA players selected in that time, five finished in the top-10 in the NHL standings last season
In several ‘redrafts’ (re-evaluated NHL drafts from previous years), more NCAA players were 1st rounders than the actual draft: 2003 Draft, 2008 Draft, 2009 Draft
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Well...umm no. 2009 Draft

CHL:
Tavares
Duchene
E. Kane
B. Schenn
Ellis
DeHaan
Kulikov
O'reilly
Clifford
Barrie
R. Smith
Eakin


NCAA:
Kreider
Chiasson
Craig Smith
Andres Lee


Just one case study, but yeah, not one of those NCAA names is a star NHL player. Whereas Tavares and Duchene are stars on their team and already played for Canada's national team.

What an embarrassing argument
 
bobandy17 said:
Well...umm no. 2009 Draft

CHL:
Tavares
Duchene
E. Kane
B. Schenn
Ellis
DeHaan
Kulikov
O'reilly
Clifford
Barrie
R. Smith
Eakin


NCAA:
Kreider
Chiasson
Craig Smith
Andres Lee


Just one case study, but yeah, not one of those NCAA names is a star NHL player. Whereas Tavares and Duchene are stars on their team and already played for Canada's national team.

What an embarrassing argument
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Duchene kinda sucks this year though.
 
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