It's all over for Jack Eichel

[CBJWerenski8]

One tournament doesn't make or break a player. McDavid hasn't exactly taken a strangle hold for Canada either. There is still 6 months until the draft, plenty of hockey to be played.

 

[SanDogBrewin]

Didn't realize he was an NCAA player. But since I haven't watched the NHL since 2007, I had to check his stats. Never won a scoring title, never won league MVP. If anything he probably over delivered on his hype

Didn't know Toews played College Hockey, haven't watched the NHL since 2007 but think Toews might have over delivered. And you want us took take you serious on two top end prospects while putting NCAA hockey down.

WoW your good with stats

 

[VanFlyer]

oh no, he won't get picked 1st overall. It's all over for him.

Except he will still be an amazing NHL player so it doesn't really mater at all.

I don't think he would have had much a shot anyway unless McDavid had a serious injury, just cause McDavid has been hyped as the next one for like forever now.

Besides, why would Connor want to go play in Siberia, um, I mean Edmonton anyway. (how many #1's can Edmonton possibly get before finally playing like a team??).

 

[lawrence]

Honestly, I'm not certain either of McEichel are "generational talents" as they're being described. I think they will be two of the top players of the game, I just don't see either of the being better than Crosby. For example, people talk about McDavid's hockey sense, but it doesn't even compare to Crosby. In fact, I'd argue that Sam Reinhart has superior hockey sense to McDavid. Of course, McDavid has much better tools than Reinhart to use that sense, but the point stands. I think they'll both be fabulous players and whoever picks them will be thrilled.

well we've seen this many times when fans, doesen't matter Canadian or American doesn't matter, say the same thing, such as to Sidney Crosby. He was often put into Alexander Daigle's name. Hockey fans have a history of wanting certain players to fail, it's down right pathetic, and I can tell you for a fact, Eichel and Mcdavid are far superior players to Reinhart, but please keep in mind, Reinhart is a full 2 years older then McDavid, he also has better linemates then McDavid to work with.

FYI, Connor McDavid has 51 points in 18 games. throught a 62 game season it will pro rate too more points then Crosby did at the same age, just saying.

Besides, why would Connor want to go play in Siberia, um, I mean Edmonton anyway. (how many #1's can Edmonton possibly get before finally playing like a team??).

it will be a big f you to the NHl to have the next great player to play in Edmonton. Even if they fall to number 2, the next great American player in Canada, ultimate screw you to the league.

 

[Tutu to]

One tournament doesn't make or break a player. McDavid hasn't exactly taken a strangle hold for Canada either. There is still 6 months until the draft, plenty of hockey to be played.

mcdavid is gonna most likely go back to the OHL and dominate.

no way he is losing top spot now.

 

[1Gold Standard]

mcdavid is gonna most likely go back to the OHL and dominate.

no way he is losing top spot now.

I'd rather see him dominate the next 2 games in the same manner he dominated the 1st 18 of the OHL sched. after that, I'd like to see both him and Eichel play at the WHC in May. (if Erie is not competing for the Mem Cup) One more head to head match up before draft day would be great...create some buzz in N.A. for the annual Skoda Invitational.

 

[Rexor]

I'd rather see him dominate the next 2 games in the same manner he dominated the 1st 18 of the OHL sched. after that, I'd like to see both him and Eichel play at the WHC in May. (if Erie is not competing for the Mem Cup) One more head to head match up before draft day would be great...create some buzz in N.A. for the annual Skoda Invitational.

Off topic but what is that and why is it called "Skoda"?

 

[BobDobolina]

I am going to go ahead and tell you that I am probably the biggest fan of international hockey on these boards, aside from maybe KevyD or whatever he is calling himself now. I actually don't care very much about the NHL beyond what certain Canadian players are doing. I live in a non-NHL center and for that reason, my allegiances change with the wind - wherever the best Canadian player is playing, that is who I am cheering for (currently Pittsburgh, formerly the Flyers, Ranger, Kings, Oilers, etc.).

Russia is by far the bigger rival to me, going back to when I was a kid. I don't remember the '72 series, but I remember people talking about it. I do remember all the other Canada Cups, Summit Series and Olympics. All I ever want to do is beat the Russians. Beating any team, including the US is nice, but if the US beats us I can live with it. If Russia beats us, I may or may not need professional help for the next little while. This goes back to my youth, the Cold War, and the whole them vs us thing, rightly or wrongly.

You two are probably two of the biggest flag wavers around here, that's not the same as being a fan of international hockey. And you've certainly made it very clear how you feel about Russian people, no question about that.

For the younger generation at least the US seems to be the biggest rival, the crowd behavior in multiple cities in recent years certainly indicates this.

 

[covfefe]

Off topic but what is that and why is it called "Skoda"?

I believe he is making a joke about the fact that Skoda's ads feature so prominently in the World Cup

 

[1Gold Standard]

I believe he is making a joke about the fact that Skoda's ads feature so prominently in the World Cup

bingo, but the World Championship, not the World Cup. 2 different entities.

 

[GerbeSonOfGloin]

Jesus. When I read the thread title I thought he got horribly injured or something. Got unnecessarily worked up there for a second.

 

[jgimb]

anyone who thought he was being drafted anything but number 2 needs to stop buying into the tsn bs. They do this almost every draft.... have said this multiple times sure Eichel is a great talent but was never going number 1 period. We do this circle jerk every season..

 

[Rexor]

I believe he is making a joke about the fact that Skoda's ads feature so prominently in the World Cup

Yep, it's mildly funny. I've just googled it and it seems that MrWriter is the only person on the internet that uses this term but he's quite persistent about it.

 

[1Gold Standard]

Yep, it's mildly funny. I've just googled it and it seems that MrWriter is the only person on the internet that uses this term but he's quite persistent about it.

I'm not the only one. There are a few more of us. do not fear, I watch the Skodas habitually. It's a great early afternoon warm-up to the evening's NHL play-off schedule.

 

[JoemAvs]

oh no, he won't get picked 1st overall. It's all over for him.

Except he will still be an amazing NHL player so it doesn't really mater at all.

I don't think he would have had much a shot anyway unless McDavid had a serious injury, just cause McDavid has been hyped as the next one for like forever now.

I still think it is all over for him. Not getting drafted #1 overall means that he has an 80 % chance of ending up with the Oilers.

Poor kid. All over.

 

[MsMeow]

One tournament doesn't make or break a player. McDavid hasn't exactly taken a strangle hold for Canada either. There is still 6 months until the draft, plenty of hockey to be played.

He missed 5 weeks leading up to the tourney.

 

[londonHK]

For the younger generation at least the US seems to be the biggest rival, the crowd behavior in multiple cities in recent years certainly indicates this.

Absolutely. I don't dispute that Canada-Russia is an intense rivalry, and is the #1 rivalry for people of a certain generation, but for those who were really young when the Berlin Wall fell and those born afterwards, with the exception of a handful of young Canadians who are incredibly knowledgeable and interested in hockey history, Canada-USA has become the #1 rivalry, and crowd behaviour, social media and media coverage has definitely shown that. The 2002, 2010 and 2014 Olympics have really solidified that rivalry for a lot of younger Canadians who may not watch every single international hockey tournament, but who get riled up and excited about the Olympics as international hockey's premier best-on-best tournament.

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

Tourneys don't make or break players' draft stock like many might think. If it did, Seth Jones woulda been the easy choice for #1 in 2013.

For me, looking at the two players' skill sets independently from performance, the easy choice for #1 overall is simply the guy with the better motor. Skill wise there isn't much separating them, and I think Eichel has the far superior shot and carries the puck with a touch more poise. But McDavid's game has an extra gear to it, and that will ultimately be the deciding factor as far as I am concerned.

 

[Anthony Mauro]

Jack Eichel should be more worried about another OHL guy putting up McDavid-like numbers since late October.

Mitchell Marner has 72 points in his last 28 games. Marner is a very high end talent who is eyeing Eichel's two spot.

Eichel's tournament doesn't affect his ranking, but this is not the first questionable tournament for him.

If you're looking for a generational talent to challenge another, then it is game to critique his play intensely. The talent level he is currently graded with is on par with an 18-19 post draft year, first rounder.

If you are looking to grade a top prospect amongst others who could potentially unseat him like Marner, than it is good enough he just got to play in the tournament regardless of production, cite age, etc.

 

[Crosbyfan]

Jack Eichel should be more worried about another OHL guy putting up McDavid-like numbers since late October.

Mitchell Marner has 72 points in his last 28 games. Marner is a very high end talent who is eyeing Eichel's two spot.

Eichel's tournament doesn't affect his ranking, but this is not the first questionable tournament for him.

If you're looking for a generational talent to challenge another, then it is game to critique his play intensely. The talent level he is currently graded with is on par with an 18-19 post draft year, first rounder.

If you are looking to grade a top prospect amongst others who could potentially unseat him like Marner, than it is good enough he just got to play in the tournament regardless of production, cite age, etc.

Yeah, he would hate to lose that spot on the Oilers...

 

[bert]

It wasn't just 1 bad game... He didn't overly impress in the other games either and for a guy that has been playing right up to the tournament solid it wasn't a great showing...

Aside from the fact that Mcdavid had been scoring at a Wayne Gretzky OHL pace and higher than Crosby's pace ... I don't think they are 1a , 1b comparable.

Eichel = Getzlaf
Mcdavid = Crosby

I know in a draft situation while Getzlaf is a great player I'm taking Crosby 100/100 times.

And the McDavid's game won't translate banter.. that's like saying crosby was the next Daigle...

Couldn't disagree more with your assessment on both Getzlaf Crosby and Eichel and Mcdavid. and I watched all of both teams games in the juniors. Eichel can beat you more ways than just speed he can control the pace of the game by slowing down or speeding up. If you think he didn't impress in other games you probably didn't watch them. Neither of them were anything special in the Canada USA game.

 

[Inkling]

I believe he is making a joke about the fact that Skoda's ads feature so prominently in the World Cup

That's what we need in the World Juniors, those cars parked inside the arenas like they have in Europe. There were enough empty seats in the prelim games, in Mtl at least, that they could have fit a car or two into the lower bowl.

 

[ulvvf]

Both have showed that they are ridiculously overrated. McDavid probably the most overrated talent ever, cant even stand out when he competes against players in his own age in his home country, and he should be the biggest talent this generation? Yeah right, they are probably more than 10 bigger talents in just this tournaments.

With that said, they are both good talent, but consider the hype they have failed completely. Both will probably have a good NHL career, but that is because NHL is corrupt and always make sure that the superhype talents succeed, NHL is just about politics and for show.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Both have showed that they are ridiculously overrated. McDavid probably the most overrated talent ever, cant even stand out when he competes against players in his own age in his home country, and he should be the biggest talent this generation? Yeah right, they are probably more than 10 bigger talents in just this tournaments.

With that said, they are both good talent, but consider the hype they have failed completely. Both will probably have a good NHL career, but that is because NHL is corrupt and always make sure that the superhype talents succeed, NHL is just about politics and for show.

Good post. Jk

 

[Aaaaaaaaaaaaa]

You two are probably two of the biggest flag wavers around here, that's not the same as being a fan of international hockey. And you've certainly made it very clear how you feel about Russian people, no question about that.

For the younger generation at least the US seems to be the biggest rival, the crowd behavior in multiple cities in recent years certainly indicates this.

I am both.

You? You hate Canadian hockey players, especially phenoms, and you have made that very clear. Look at your avatar for God's sake.

Yet all we keep doing is producing more and more of them, and keep proving that we are the greatest hockey nation on earth at true best on bests.

Call them whiners, overhyped and whatever else you can come up with, and they will keep scoring OT goals and whatever they have to in order to make sure that all is right in the world and Canada is at the top of the medal podium where they belong.

Arrogant? You bet. You want humility? Follow me to an NFL board.

PS - I do not hate Russian people. I dislike Russian hockey. Massive difference.