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I have never been so underwhelmed. None of those players make me even think about the idea of trading Duchene or let alone Landy.
Rumor: Isles/Avs Talking Trade? (Duchene)
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I have never been so underwhelmed. None of those players make me even think about the idea of trading Duchene or let alone Landy.
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They actually do. You need to expose one defenseman with enough GP over the last (two) year.
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Not until his development speeds up and he changes his game around from being just a perimeter player with a fantastic shot.
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Gelinas in that regard makes sense or even Beauchemin if they get him to waive.
My point remains valid about the Avs defense.
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Absolute best case scenario, one of them become as good as Duchene. That's like buying a lottery ticket and the jackpot is getting your money back.
AVS and Isles really are bad trading partners. In fact, AVS are bad trading partners with anyone because we lack everywhere including prospects and depth players. The org is in a pretty bad shape.
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Avs44
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Can you provide sources for him always being on the block? Staple's speculation doesn't count, by the way.
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I'm pretty sure Sakic is the one who likes him the most. He "seems" on the block because of the trade value and some kind of perceived redundancy with Mackinnon.
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I'm guessing he's always in trade speculation because he occasionally struggles but still has value around the league, and could be traded for a top asset if the Avalanche feel that could work.
If a guy that was 7th (entering the season) in ES points (in the entire NHL) since the last lockout struggles what are the others doing? He and Landeskog are the only ones pulling their weight in the last couple of seasons.
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He's topped 60 points twice in his career. Hasn't done so the past two seasons. That would suggest he struggles, for a player of his caliber.
Looking at numbers since the last lockout means that you're only including a select number of top tier players. Some guys have retired since then (who were better than Duchene), so they aren't accumulating points anymore, and others weren't in the league yet (so it's not possible for them to have amassed the same totals given the shortness of their careers). That doesn't mean Duchene is bad by any means, but it's certainly and attempt to make him appear better than he is.
If you check his numbers you will see that he is really high every year when talking about ES producers, you don't end up 4th overall in es points by centers by twisting the stats, you have to be damn good as well. Where he and the rest of the team struggles is the PP. On ES he's an elite point producer while being decent defensively and good at the draw.
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That's worth far more than pieces that are getting mentioned in this thread.
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There is a reason why Duchene keeps making Team Canada (Olympics, WCH, etc).
He is a pretty damn good player playing on a pretty bad team. His even strength production has been elite for years now. What is holding him back is the lack of points on the powerplay. Which IMO is mainly an Avs problem. How Tim Army has managed to keep his job for almost a decade now is a complete mistery to me.
Is he as good as Tavares?
No. But he is closer than you might want to believe.
He would be easily the Islanders 2nd best player. Very easily.
So it would need to be a kings ransom for the Avs to even consider.
Hamonic would probably the only legitimate starting point.
And than you would have to add one of Beauvillier or Barzal to get it done.
That price is very steep but everything else does not make any sense at all.
You are not getting the guy that might prompt Tavares to stay and therefore save your franchise for futures and 2nd tier pieces....
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Don't let that fool you. He isn't even a 60 point player, except in his career years.
(43 points in 47 games during lockout year and 59 points in 76 games are being conveniently misrepresented here)
Yeah, the only time he played with any real talent on his line he was at ppg. But we are just twisting the stats to make him look better than he really is.
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Both those goalies aren't top 10
I dont think its about duchene, I think it's more gonna be like a D move, but neither team has D to spare. Especially with Seidenberg's injury, or else I'd have thought Boychuk in a swap with Iginla+wiercoch going other way or something similar.
Don't see a trade between these 2 being likely
I'm sure this isn't popular among isles fans but someone said Hamonic and Beauvillier.... I'd do it
Also anyone saying Varly= Halak + top 3 protected first just lol
Also anyone saying Varly= Halak + top 3 protected first just lol
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Speaking of twisting things to make him appear better than he is, your first sentence is a pretty dishonest evaluation to make him appear worse than he is. Are we going to hold it against Duchene that a 48 game lockout season existed? He was on pace for 75 points in those 48 games. Or last year, when he had 59 points but was injured for 6 games, which means he would have comfortably broken 60 points there too?
You know if you guys want offense, then you can get that from the defense too. A Hamonic for Barrie deal starts to make a little more sense if you look at it that way.
I still think Colorado could use someone in that spot that is better defensively, and could be played next to one of the younger guys like Bigras/Zadorov. Both of whom have good offensive instincts.
Barrie + Varlamov for Hamonic + Halak + ???
I still think Colorado could use someone in that spot that is better defensively, and could be played next to one of the younger guys like Bigras/Zadorov. Both of whom have good offensive instincts.
Barrie + Varlamov for Hamonic + Halak + ???
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